Used car shopping, not sure which would be better

Maybe Nissan has stepped up their paint quality since the late 90s. I have seen some older model Nissan with rust. The Maxima is going to be a daily driver that sits outside and driven year round here in Tennessee. We don't get much snow, but they salt the roads maybe 2 weeks out of the year. I definitely don't want to spend $30K on a car that has potential paint and rust issues.
 
Those are both good cars. Go drive them and see which one you like the best.
 
Maybe Nissan has stepped up their paint quality since the late 90s. I have seen some older model Nissan with rust. The Maxima is going to be a daily driver that sits outside and driven year round here in Tennessee. We don't get much snow, but they salt the roads maybe 2 weeks out of the year. I definitely don't want to spend $30K on a car that has potential paint and rust issues.

If Maxima paint is anything like the 2nd gen Altima it is VERY resilient. I have an '01 with 192k miles; outside of permanent bug bumper damage (my fault for being lazy when I was in college) and a few rock chips, my paint is in great shape to be 14 yrs old by build-date.
 
We don't get much snow, but they salt the roads maybe 2 weeks out of the year. I definitely don't want to spend $30K on a car that has potential paint and rust issues.

I think you will be fine. I would not be the least bit concerned with potential rust issues with the small amount of salt you will see. In NY, it seems like they salt the road six months out of the year here...:rolleyes:
 
It has been a while since I have driven a Max but from what I remember, the interior felt a bit cramped. But it could well be because I had a minivan at the time. Personally, I like the Max but just not too sure about that CVT tranny and resale on the Max is not very good when compared to other Jap makes like the Honda Accord or the Toyota Camry.

I currently own a 2012 TL SH-AWD Tech and the car is very comfortable. The stock audio system on the TL Advance should be a Panasonic ELS system with DVD audio. Google it and you will find that it ranks very high. I think it was just below the Lexus Mark Levinson system. TL traditionally has had a pretty good resale value but TL's trunk is nothing to brag about. Slightly over 12 cubic sqft I think.

However, If I were to choose between FWD of the 2 cars, I would probably go with the TL only because I just don't trust the CVT tranny in the Max.
 
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I noticed a lot of chips on the silver, it seemed excessive for a lower milage car. I found some others with the similar options and I changed my mind, and I'm going for Gun Metal Metallic. I may go with pearl white too. So compared to other vehicles, do you think that Nissan paint chips easily? Do you know if Nissans are prone to rusting easier than other brands? I have heard mixed reviews of people saying that the paint and primer are thin and the exposed metal rusts easily.

Paint chips are subjective, and highly indicative of the owner/driver. My wife's Denali for instance has excellent "red jewel tint coat" GM paint. It has held up extremely well for a 2005, and didn't have a single chip in it. (well maybe 2 or 3 but THAT'S IT). But.... after I did a paint correction last fall she ended up driving down a freshly paved road, and..... being as I am ALWAYS after her not to follow so close, sure enough..... she came home after a week of driving back and forth on that road going to work and WHAM! Checked the paint that Friday night and thought she'd be better off getting a good beating! :rolleyes:

There must have been 2 dozen chips on the hood! The good part is it's just to the primer, no bare metal. The bad part is it's "red jewel tint coat" where the CC is actually tinted. Not exactly easy to do touchup on. :(

Honestly.... I think a lot of it (paint quality) these days goes back purely to the price point of the cheapest vehicle in the lineup. Seems it used to be that a manufacturer had one level of paint, both for the cheap and expensive vehicles where the cheap ones benefited the most. Then again, those were the solvent paint days versus todays waterborne paints. Pre "ultra thin" paint days you could depend on a film build that just stood up to whatever you could throw at it. Now I'm not a painter, (and know enough to be dangerous at best) :laughing: but waterborne has changed in the last few years, higher solvent base, faster drying times, ready to shoot clear MUCH faster. Which means the shop that used to be able to shoot 3 cars a day now shoots 12. But for some reason (from what I've seen from my end at least) it still chips much MUCH easier than paints in the past. :dunno:

One thing that I'd say still holds true however is the color of the paint can be directly correlated to the hardness (of at least the basecoat). Knowing that carbon black is the pigment in black (by far the softest) and titanium oxide being the pigment in white (same thing they use in sandpaper) white, (and by default) lighter metallic should be a bit more durable. Doesn't mean they ARE... but they should be. Metallics are heavier, and knowing the penny pinchers as such, they probably put less material in (what to them) is *more* paint going on..... resulting in as thin of a film build as possible to keep bare metal from showing through.

Of course none of that answers whether or not the Nissan or Acura will have the most durable paint over the long run. Would like to help a bit more with that, but in my experience how the car has been maintained prior to your ownership is the most critical point there. Were it me.... I'd get the one with zero paint chips, and protect that puppy ASAP. :)
 
I want to say one thing and that is why not buy American? Seriously, put that into consideration. Employ Americans at the factories where every car is made in America. It's something worth thinking about and I hope you put some thought into it.
 
^ Nissan Max is built in Tennessee and Acura TL is built in Ohio I believe.
 
^ Nissan Max is built in Tennessee and Acura TL is built in Ohio I believe.

This is true, but my family has been in the car business for over 60 years and I can tell you for a fact that it is not what you think. They have factories that employ just a few hundred people which only assemble their cars here in America and it is such a small number of what they sell it's atrocious. Support American car companies, and support American jobs. The factories that they have here are purely publicity stunts.
 
They have factories that employ just a few hundred people which only assemble their cars here in America and it is such a small number of what they sell it's atrocious.

Every Acura TL sold in the US, is built in Ohio. I am pretty sure TL's sold in Canada is also built in Ohio as well.

I think its the same for the Max but don't quote me on it.
 
I work at the Nissan plant here in Smyrna for 23 years and actually build the Maxima. Just to give you an idea, the clock numbers here are over 10,000, so that should tell you how many people that's been working at this facility at some point. By the way, the Maxima is one bad ride.

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I work at the Nissan plant here in Smyrna for 23 years and actually build the Maxima. Just to give you an idea, the clock numbers here are over 10,000, so that should tell you how many people that's been working at this facility at some point. By the way, the Maxima is one bad ride.

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Welp, there it is!

By "clock hours" I assume you mean man hours/day? If so, that's 1,250 people working an 8 hour shift.
 
I'm guessing clock numbers are like employee id numbers?

I would go with the Acura if it was up to me. I have always liked the way they look. Even the current style. I had an altima as a rental, I know its not the same car but did not care for the quality or power.
 
OP:

My family has a history of owning Honda products. My cousin has a turbo acura rdx now, and loves it. My father has an '08 accord. My grandmother swears by hondas since her first sea foam green 1990something accord. My first car was a eucalyptus green accord lx, which I loved, even though it wasn't sporty. So you'd think I'd recommend the acura... but I'm not going to do that for a couple of reasons: 1) From what I can tell, although Hondas/Acuras are almost bulletproof in terms of overall reliability, ( if you chose the Acura, you'd probably be happy in that dept) I don't think Nissans are much father behind; so I don't think comparing the two gives a great contrast in terms of reliability. Not sure about paint, but I'd say they're probably of similar quality. 2) I too, like others, think Acura's styling (except maybe the MDX) lately has gone off the deep end and crashed into the bottom of the pool (especially the late zdx D:) Now, the mid-generational, more conservatively styled/ tweaked tl you show is not horrible, (compare it to the models from '09-'10...eek) but I personally think the nissan's styling is much more attractive, and the car will be sportier as well. 3) Most importantly it seems you like the maxima better overall, so I wouldn't hesitate to buy it (PROVIDED you do all your research first, on maximas in general, and your specific car, get a ppi, etc). Good luck!!
 
I want to say one thing and that is why not buy American? Seriously, put that into consideration. Employ Americans at the factories where every car is made in America. It's something worth thinking about and I hope you put some thought into it.

I don't know all the facts but theres some foreign cars made here. I think the accord has been made in Ohio since it came out. And I think about 70% of the car is built here.

When I drove to the borders, I picked up American car parts made in Mexico and Canada. One example is the challenger. I bet more of that car is from Mexico and Canada than the honda accord being from Japan. I think I said that right.

Anyway, alot of foreign auto makers employ us here.
 
Between those 2 hands down the Acura. I have co workers with those and IMO the Acura is a nicer car overall.
 
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