Video: Trying P&S Bead Maker for the first time.

While I think V’s videos are good and well put together, it appears to me his objective here seems to be self serving.

His “contributions” to this site, other than links to his videos, seem non existent.

Do you read any other threads than your own here?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you offer any advice or help to solve another member’s problem.

To me an honest review contains the negatives too if warranted. It is possible to possible to say that a product is good in some aspects, but not so good in others without bashing it.

If companies are paying attention here, like McKees does, they can listen and make improvements.

In my opinion you are just upgraded version of member alfierenadhie.

Personally, I’m done increasingly your hit count.

Just my opinion.
 
Just trying to put things in perspective here. Maybe I missed some posts or something but I have not seen anyone say your videos are bad. People are commenting on aspects of some of your videos, but that doesn't mean that the channel is bad. And you are right that your subscriber count shows that people like your content.

In my case, I just don't like the aspects I mentionned about your latest content. Again, as a pro, this is useless content for me. In the past you have done video I have enjoyed a lot. Hense the suggestions to adjust the presentation. But as I said, in the end you are the one who decides who you are making videos for. So if the end users like it when you go through a product line and tell them what each product does, then there is no reason to stop. On the other hand, you can't expect pros to enjoy that sort of things. And a large percentage of the regular viewers on this forum are pros... so yes expect people here not to be wowed when you promote a product that is very average. The last video I watched from you was about Hydrosilex. Again that is a very overhyped product making pretty extravagant claims, almost as bad as F11. So the issue with that is that it will damage your credibility.

Anyway, I am sorry it turned into a shouting match. I gave comments to try to help you, but you seems to take that as a personnal attack. Nobody is perfect and feedback is a good way to improve. You are doing so many things very well, I don't understand why you won't even consider taking an other angle to product reviews.
 
I have not used Bead Maker but I would like to say that slickness is very overrated, unless you enjoy fondling your car. Two products that I have used, Sonax PNS and IGL Ecocoat Premier are not super slick but are two of the best products I have ever used. I prefer performance and longetivity to slickness.
 
RZJZA80 said:
So I've just read how several users think it's not bad, but not the best either. My question is, why bother using something that you know isn't the best? Yeah it may be pretty cheap for a small bottle, but so what? Are you going to offer your customers inferior products because they're cheaper or always try and use the best that you know of?
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Agreed but the bottom line of bottom lines is this, YOU have to buy the product first so in turn YOU can make an informed comment posted by YOU.

Pan is just being confident with his credentials, I mean I can see where that could rub some people the wrong way but he's successful in his lot in life as well as his YouTube ventures, just deal with it. If you like it, watch it, if you don't, move along, pretty easy. I'd like to share a story with the group that may or may not help this but here it goes.

I used to be subscribed to Matt Farrah's YouTube channel called the Smoking Tire. He drove alot of interesting cars, so I watched and enjoyed it, even bought a t-shirt. Fast forward to Labor Day weekend 2017, my wife and I and 3 other couples were flying to Cancun and I had downloaded one of Matt's podcasts where he had his best friend Larry Kasilla on, owner of AMMO NYC. Through the video they talked about cars and detailing as well. At the end of the video Matt told Larry he'd put a link to Larry's business in there and then this gem came out of Matt's mouth..."I'll put a link to your detailing services but it's not like anyone here is going to be able to afford you, they're watching YouTube videos!" ....and proceeds to have a hearty laugh about it. At that point right there I unsubscribed from The Smoking Tire because I knew right then and there how he felt about his fan base. I mean myself and thousands like us watched his videos and guess where, YouTube. I may be one but I said my peace about it on his channel and had a number of people agree while others said the opposite, good for them. I never told anyone they were stupid for watching his videos but rather I didn't watch them anymore because of how he disrespected his entire audience and that rubbed me the wrong way.

In closing is it asking too much for people to just try the product and THEN comment about it? I know people don't like Pan and his confidence but he isn't the owner of P&S Beadmaker, just a fan of the product, don't hold that against the entire company, wake up out there! I mean when you upset a Canadian you have really crossed the line, I say this tongue in cheek as well as seriously. I'm waiting for Pan to drop the "we've got 23 World Championships" on your guys heads

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Klasse Act said:
Pan is just being confident with his credentials, I mean I can see where that could rub some people the wrong way but he's successful in his lot in life as well as his YouTube ventures, just deal with it. If you like it, watch it, if you don't, move along, pretty easy.

In closing is it asking too much for people to just try the product and THEN comment about it? I know people don't like Pan and his confidence but he isn't the owner of P&S Beadmaker, just a fan of the product, don't hold that against the entire company, wake up out there! I mean when you upset a Canadian you have really crossed the line, I say this tongue in cheek as well as seriously. I'm waiting for Pan to drop the "we've got 23 World Championships" on your guys heads

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Amen to that. My thoughts too. It's quite possible somebody doesn't like a product after testing it. But another person could very like that very same product. I'm fine with that. What ever works in each person's world. Why would I think less of someone who likes a given product? Who am I to judge them? If they like it, great. If they don't, I'm cool with that too. Because it doesn't change MY life. I will continue to test products and they have to meet my criteria, regardless of what XYZ Youtuber says, or XYZ forum member says.

And to think my Bead Maker videos aren't even sponsored... LOL. I haven't been paid a single penny by P&S to talk about it. I now wish I had seeing all the traffic these videos generated and having heard bout the sales too. But the bottom line is I discovered this product through super nice guys and pro detailers at The Rag Company. Those guys are legit and super nice people. I got to test it first hand and thought it was great. I still waited to test the product back home during two full months before releasing my videos, as this is my process typically. Sometimes you're impressed with a product at first use, but then when you test it on multiple cars, different conditions, you realize it may not live up to the hype. I was pleased to see that this product did surpass my initial thoughts and is now part of my detailing arsenal. Plus, I'm not sold to one specific brand. I'm as free as it comes. So when I find better products, I start using those. 007 was one of those recent great finds for spray-on sealants and was tops in my books too (until I discovered BM). Phil from Auto Fanatic has been in the car industry for decades and really wanted to create an awesome product in 007 Gloss Enhancer and he did. Super nice guy as well. Great product. Nothing bad to say bout him neither. ;)

Oh by the way, I liked your "when you upset a Canadian you really crossed the line" LOLOL. You should trade mark that! :)

Have a great evening.
 
Pan, speaking of "hype", how about the long anticipated arrival of the magical foaming wheel cleaner that's been "coming soon", soon being a relative term If these guys knew about IT it could double what this thread is, LOL.

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I'm still curious as to why he won't answer my questions. I was just trying to get him to add his credentials to this discussion.

Bill
 
Klasse Act said:
Agreed but the bottom line of bottom lines is this, YOU have to buy the product first so in turn YOU can make an informed comment posted by YOU.

Pan is just being confident with his credentials, I mean I can see where that could rub some people the wrong way but he's successful in his lot in life as well as his YouTube ventures, just deal with it. If you like it, watch it, if you don't, move along, pretty easy. I'd like to share a story with the group that may or may not help this but here it goes.

I used to be subscribed to Matt Farrah's YouTube channel called the Smoking Tire. He drove alot of interesting cars, so I watched and enjoyed it, even bought a t-shirt. Fast forward to Labor Day weekend 2017, my wife and I and 3 other couples were flying to Cancun and I had downloaded one of Matt's podcasts where he had his best friend Larry Kasilla on, owner of AMMO NYC. Through the video they talked about cars and detailing as well. At the end of the video Matt told Larry he'd put a link to Larry's business in there and then this gem came out of Matt's mouth..."I'll put a link to your detailing services but it's not like anyone here is going to be able to afford you, they're watching YouTube videos!" ....and proceeds to have a hearty laugh about it. At that point right there I unsubscribed from The Smoking Tire because I knew right then and there how he felt about his fan base. I mean myself and thousands like us watched his videos and guess where, YouTube. I may be one but I said my peace about it on his channel and had a number of people agree while others said the opposite, good for them. I never told anyone they were stupid for watching his videos but rather I didn't watch them anymore because of how he disrespected his entire audience and that rubbed me the wrong way.

In closing is it asking too much for people to just try the product and THEN comment about it? I know people don't like Pan and his confidence but he isn't the owner of P&S Beadmaker, just a fan of the product, don't hold that against the entire company, wake up out there! I mean when you upset a Canadian you have really crossed the line, I say this tongue in cheek as well as seriously. I'm waiting for Pan to drop the "we've got 23 World Championships" on your guys heads

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Ya... I don't know if that joke is really to make fun of his audience, or the price of the products. Humor is such a subjective thing. One of the comedian that makes me laugh, hard, everytime I watch is Craig Fergusson. And Craig keeps saying how nobody is watching him and that maybe he is offending his ownly viewer, that soft of thing... It's a joke, it has no base in reality. And in the case of Matt and Larry, both of their audiences are on youtube, and in the case of Larry I am pretty sure that is (or was) the only advertizing he did for Ammo... so I doubt they would think no-one watching the videos would not be able to afford his products.

As for the if you don't like it, move on comment. I agree with you, but in this case Pan clearly wants us to watch, so expressing what we like and dislike about his content should be helpful to him if he chooses to listen.
 
Just to be clear, I was only talking about Matt Farrah, not Larry Kasilla and it's not his products Matt Farrah said people watching the videos couldn't afford but rather Larry Kasilla's detailing services. Is he right, for the most part yes but you don't gloss the entire viewing audience like that, cheap shot that in the very least can be thought but not said, it would be the "Klasse Act" way to go about it.

As far as Larry Kasilla goes, well, I bought the Frothe+ kit because i wanted to see what AMMO NYC was all about. The idea of a foaming WW was something I had never heard of, then I watched the video for it by Larry Kasilla. When you listen to the presentation, hear and feel the passion, his hands on nature of the product and what goes into it, well, for me it was a done deal! Once I got the kit I got after it and was blown away! The airetor is such a quality design and build and when you combine that with the product itself and technique for using it, well, the proof is RIGHT THERE INFRONT OF YOU, a clean car done in a unique way. A product is also added to Frothe+ that evaporates, so if you happen to miss a spot or some runs out, no problem, it's all good. This kit came with 2 six packs of mf towels, orange for the car and dark blue for the wheels, the later to be used because of the color it's ok to stain them up, I didn't go that route, I have "junk" towels for this. The Frothe+ kit really came in handy when I went to the Dragon this year. It's a 593 mile drive to get there, 10 hrs and lots of bugs and grit but the Frothe+ kit killed it and the car came out spotless. Could I have used the regular WW like N914 or Ech2o, sure, but I wanted to give this a try since it was new as well as a new process with the foaming nature for a WW. The fact that it's a foaming product gave me an additional layer of protection for the bugs and road grit, foams lifts and breaks things down and is wiped away, awesome!

Now to bring it home and maybe it's different because Larry Kasilla is the owner and it's not in his best interest to compare 2 or 3 products but he could but in this case your buying not only the product but the person selling it and in this case, when you watch the AMMO NYC vids, the knowledge and passion is in every bottle, it's just up to YOU to buy/try it out, the only difference with Pan is he doesn't make the products, he buys, sometimes are given products to try and then he reports the results in HIS videos. I'm sorry but I don't understand any of this but being away for 7 monthes and coming back to find this thread really has me scratching my head and I can't wait to get my bottle because I have NO YouTube channel, no social media presence (except here and commenting on other detailing YT channels) and once I try it I will report back right here, no need for a separate thread since this ones "established" and give you guys MY thoughts. I have my own mind, paid my own money and if it's good, great and if not, well, I have lots of other toppers for my TAC system coated car....thank you, enjoy the rest of your Thanksgiving everyone

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Klasse Act said:
Pan, speaking of "hype", how about the long anticipated arrival of the magical foaming wheel cleaner that's been "coming soon", soon being a relative term If these guys knew about IT it could double what this thread is, LOL.

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Oh boy! I can just imagine! LOL And I wasn't even paid to talk about that wheel cleaner when it won first place in my awards video! Imagine that. :). The product has changed formulas and is still in final stages of production, as Phil (owner of Auto Fanatic) had to change chemists and there are all the logistics behind creating and selling a new product. He's been through a lot of stress with all this and it will make me think twice before starting my own line of products one day. He is a hard worker and is passionate about what he does and that's always nice to see. I can't wait to put my hands on the final production version of his product and see how improved the new formula is and of course report back to my viewers. :)
 
rangerbay said:
I'm still curious as to why he won't answer my questions. I was just trying to get him to add his credentials to this discussion.

Bill
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Hi Bill,

Sorry about that. It wasn't intentional. I just don't go back and read all the comments, just the ones where I felt a personal attack from a few members. So I got side tracked on the rest.

I don't feel the need to add to my credentials nor do I feel the need to justify anything to anyone. People either want to watch my videos or they don't. I'm fine with either or. YouTube is filled with content creators, and each person finds a Youtuber they appreciate or connect with. That's the fun of having millions of channels to choose from. :)

But to answer your questions. I probably detail 125 to 150 cars yearly. I'm lucky enough that many of my customers allow me to film their vehicles and post videos. I respect people's privacy so I always ask them before I film to see if they're 100% okay with it. I only do full detailing packages, complete interior and exterior restoration or new car prep. I detail from home. After 21 years of detailing, I know can choose my jobs and I don't have to be mobile anymore or run after the 50$ wash n wax jobs like when I first started. You have to work super hard to build your reputation and gain customers in the beginning. Every detailer out there has probably been through the same. When I had my new house built, I made sure the garage was made entirely for detailing. I made a video about my garage too. For the products, yes you understood that correctly. Over a thousand products yearly. How? It's quite simple. Just in the "brand review" series I do, I usually present pretty much the entire lineup of detailing products from a given brand. One brand alone can have 50 to 75 or more products some times. I have dozens and dozens of such videos. In my English playlist alone, I have 51 brand review videos. So it ads up suuuuuuuuper quickly. I am not sold to one specific brand. Rather, I'm always in the pursuit of finding the best products, or the greatest brands and simply present my favourites. There are countless hundreds of products also being sent to me which never make it on my channel because I simply don't like the products after testing them. Many detailing Youtubers with big channels like mine go through the same ordeal. Every brand wants to have exposure on bigger channels, I get that. Their marketing departments don't always take the right approach though. I like to get to connect with the brand, talk to the people behind the products, the owners, see how the business is run, and so on.

For example, I got to have a discussion over the phone (and then in person at SEMA) with Bob and Dave Phillips, brothers and owners of P&S. I was awesome to see all the family history of 60+ years behind products, and the fact that Dave is the chemist behind the products and they do their own blends of Bead Maker in house. I like geeking out over those things. Also, by meeting with the people at The Rag Company, I was able to see for myself how nice that family run business is, and how amazingly well they treat all their employees. They could have shut their doors to me, as they don't owe me anything. Or even super nice people that are industry legends like Mike Phillips and Renny Doyle who I personally had chats with at SEMA. All have been super nice to me and have never expected anything in return. Well I love helping those brands reaching broader audiences, as I have viewers across the globe thanks to my videos in English and French. I'm a firm believe that when you're nice with people, good things happen to you.

And thanks for appreciating all the hard work I put into making my videos. Very few people know this, but I can spend up to 15 hours working on a single video, from the actual detailing work, to filming solo, editing, thumbnails, answering questions every single day on YouTube, etc. It's one of my passions along with detailing. I just love sharing my passion.

I hope that answers your questions a bit.

Have a good day.
 
OrangeVee said:
Oh boy! I can just imagine! LOL And I wasn't even paid to talk about that wheel cleaner when it won first place in my awards video! Imagine that. :). The product has changed formulas and is still in final stages of production, as Phil (owner of Auto Fanatic) had to change chemists and there are all the logistics behind creating and selling a new product. He's been through a lot of stress with all this and it will make me think twice before starting my own line of products one day. He is a hard worker and is passionate about what he does and that's always nice to see. I can't wait to put my hands on the final production version of his product and see how improved the new formula is and of course report back to my viewers. :)
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Just watched the Auto-Fanatic video, you'll be able to pre-order the looooooong talked about, much anticipated, "hyped" wheel cleaner before Christmas, LOL! He said it's going to be first come, first served. Because of the concentration level that 32 oz bottle should last a long time, even for me. For a small amount of people in the world (thousands on paper) this product is HIGHLY anticipated and should eclipse Beadmaker from the hype standpoint, stay "tuned".

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It does, and thanks for letting us know a little more about you.
 
Video: Trying P&S Bead Maker for the first time.

Nobody here is or was “bashing” the bead maker product.

No offense, but I really don’t think people here are impressed or even interested in your youtube stats or credentials. This is a detailing forum, not a youtube forum. And just because people here like detailing, it doesn’t necessarily mean they even go on youtube to check out detailing related content. I for 1 spend probably the least of my time on youtube checking out detailing videos.
 
I for one spend way more time on YouTube than autogeek

I really like Pans videos.

It's super easy to sit back and critique others online.




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I am subscribed to a number of YouTube channels and have gotten a lot of info over the past 7 months away, there is a HUGE world out there, filled with info, never heard of products here and characters. In no particular order:

-Forensic Detailing

-Pan the Organizer

-Scott from Dallas Paint Correction and Luxury Microfiber

-Car Ckeaning Guru

-Apex Detailing

-Auto-Fanatic

Each offers something different and each one is passionate and knowledgeable and I look forward to each and every new video. Not sure where these get the time to do these videos, I know I couldn't do it but I personally might be helping to do some videos for a rather large company in the future. I told them I'm a motormouth so I hope they have someone great at editing, LOL. I'll try to instill my passion into these vids, if and when they get made and hope they offer info and are fun to watch!

Now you'll have to excuse me, I need to check the status of Beadmaker, hopefully it's in the Land of Lincoln by now!
 
Daviddear30 said:
I for one spend way more time on YouTube than autogeek

I really like Pans videos.

It's super easy to sit back and critique others online.
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Thanks for your support! :). And I agree with you. I spend most of my online time on YouTube as well. That's the new way of learning as most people are very visual and having video and audio to support a tip, trick, technique, tutorial, etc is the new way of doing things. Pretty much everyone I know uses YouTube as their primary search engine now when they want to find out how to do things. How to clean a washer? How to do HVAC maintenance? How to build a PC? How to detail a car? How to unclog a kitchen sink? How to change your oil? And so on, and so forth. I used to be into car detailing forums a lot when I was 16 to 20 years old as we didn't have YouTube back then. Of course, like anything in life, things change and evolve. YouTube has become one of the primary sources of entertainment and learning for many. This platform has allowed people to share with visual and audio support. Even some of the best professional detailers in the world have a YouTube channel. Jim White (from White Details), Larry Kosilla (from AMMO NYC), Jon (from Car Cleaning Guru), Brian (from Apex Detail), Darren Priest (Auto Fetish Detail) are all good examples. They allow the car detailing enthusiast to further understand the craft and learn new techniques, new products, how to use tools, etc. I find it amazing to pass on knowledge to others.
 
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