Video: Trying P&S Bead Maker for the first time.

Klasse Act said:
Dogma, Beadmaker is glossier and more slick than those products because those are its strong points, the other products emphasize durability and looks next. Like you said Beadmaker is perfect for your needs, perfect. As long as people fully understand that Beadmaker ISN'T about durability it's all good, 1 month max seems to be the rule of thumb.

I can't wait to use Beadmaker when it gets warmer...he, I can't wait for it get warmer.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the 1:1 ratio of Beadmaker/Sonax BSD does on my car. Will it maintain the glossy looks of Beadmaker and add more durability from the BSD or will they work against each other

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Very interesting combo BM and BSD! Will be intresting to see what you think about it.

Dogma: Was that 20F and you did the wash outside too? I tested a waterless wash last year and it had been down to that temperature during the night and was just above 32F when testing it. That was no fun LOL. It started to freeze on the paint when I started to wipe it off. Just tried Ech2o and it was around 40F after it had snowed. That worked great though. The temperature is going down and up like crazy here in Sweden the last couple of weeks. So I gently wiped the snow off the hood with the snow brush I have. Did not take in the consideration that water is a great solvent on it's own LOL. The mess it got got me to get the Ech2o bottle diluted to 1:10 and a couple of mf towels and a drying towel to clean the mess up of what I did LOL. Don't think that it been such a mess if it's had been unprotected paint. Now it's Sonax Spray and Seal on the car and it's sure still there under all the dirt. But impresive that Ech2o works below the freezing point. That I did not thought after the freezing mess last year with another brand of waterless wash. If this weather holds up a little longer I think I'm going to a coin op wash with a PW. And finish it off with waterless wash with Ech2o.
 
Ech2o is just an awesome product, I will always have it in my collection. Been using RW/WW since joining AG and have used probably a dozen of them, all performed well and there was a time where I thought nothing could be better than Duragloss RW...then Wolfgang Uber RW came along and it was tops, ended up getting a 2nd gallon even because I went through it but then the mic drop that is Ech2o came out and it was game, set, match

After the testing of "Brillant Maker" is done I'm going to have to mix Ech2o and Beadmaker in some way. The question here is ratio, I usually make gallons except with Brillant Maker because I went 1:1 but obviously there's no going 1:1 Ech2o/Beadmaker, gotta figure this out

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Klasse Act said:
Ech2o is just an awesome product, I will always have it in my collection. Been using RW/WW since joining AG and have used probably a dozen of them, all performed well and there was a time where I thought nothing could be better than Duragloss RW...then Wolfgang Uber RW came along and it was tops, ended up getting a 2nd gallon even because I went through it but then the mic drop that is Ech2o came out and it was game, set, match

After the testing of "Brillant Maker" is done I'm going to have to mix Ech2o and Beadmaker in some way. The question here is ratio, I usually make gallons except with Brillant Maker because I went 1:1 but obviously there's no going 1:1 Ech2o/Beadmaker, gotta figure this out

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Maybe the Merlin Elixir ratio to start with? Is it 20oz water 1oz concentrate Ech2o and then 1oz of Bead Maker. Or maybe start with a 0.5oz BM and ad another 0.5oz BM if you think it's good. Could be that you could use more of BM in it too.

I will definitely be useing Ech2o more. Have been a little to afraid of useing WW or RW. But since both cars is in the need of a polishing it's game on LOL
 
SWETM said:
Maybe the Merlin Elixir ratio to start with? Is it 20oz water 1oz concentrate Ech2o and then 1oz of Bead Maker. Or maybe start with a 0.5oz BM and ad another 0.5oz BM if you think it's good. Could be that you could use more of BM in it too.

I will definitely be useing Ech2o more. Have been a little to afraid of useing WW or RW. But since both cars is in the need of a polishing it's game on LOL
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Well, if its 20 oz distilled water, 1 oz of Ech2o I might do 2 ounces of Beadmaker, stay "tuned"

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Re: Video: Trying P&S Bead Maker for the first time.

Coatingsarecrack said:
I think he meant bead maker vs kenotek.


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Correct, I'm not comparing to Hydroblue. It would be a replacement for Kenotek when I run out of my current bottle.
 
I have Kenotek in my collection, guess I need to try it out again and pay attention. This is what happens when your hit by the runaway train that is Beadmaker

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Our DD has 2 coats of BSD and after last wash did 50/50 mixture BSD / BM as a drying aid. Some slickness but not like pure BM. So far with rain snow weather here car does look cleaner. If its warm when I get home and do a quick rinse the dirt does come off easier.
 
Klasse Act said:
I have Kenotek in my collection, guess I need to try it out again and pay attention. This is what happens when your hit by the runaway train that is Beadmaker

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Yeah, I would be curious what you think of both.

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Klasse Act said:
Oh yeah, different products for sure, across the board!

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Half the price but 1/4 longevity... baller value proposition...


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SWETM said:
Very interesting combo BM and BSD! Will be intresting to see what you think about it.

Dogma: Was that 20F and you did the wash outside too? I tested a waterless wash last year and it had been down to that temperature during the night and was just above 32F when testing it. That was no fun LOL. It started to freeze on the paint when I started to wipe it off. Just tried Ech2o and it was around 40F after it had snowed. That worked great though. The temperature is going down and up like crazy here in Sweden the last couple of weeks. So I gently wiped the snow off the hood with the snow brush I have. Did not take in the consideration that water is a great solvent on it's own LOL. The mess it got got me to get the Ech2o bottle diluted to 1:10 and a couple of mf towels and a drying towel to clean the mess up of what I did LOL. Don't think that it been such a mess if it's had been unprotected paint. Now it's Sonax Spray and Seal on the car and it's sure still there under all the dirt. But impresive that Ech2o works below the freezing point. That I did not thought after the freezing mess last year with another brand of waterless wash. If this weather holds up a little longer I think I'm going to a coin op wash with a PW. And finish it off with waterless wash with Ech2o.
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I love ECH2o as a RW. Yes, I did wash it outside, of course I used a gallon of almost hot water and 3 capfuls ( from a ONR bottle) of ECH2o. I also filled a spray bottle with the solution to presoak each panel. The MF wash cloth was very cold after each panel.I used a new MF for each panel.

I personally do not like BSD, I don't like the feel of the surface after its applied and its too finicky for me. this is another product I wanted to like it because I love all Sonax products. I was also thinking of mixing ECh20 with BM. I also had another thought because Powerlock is so slick, I thought about combining it with Jesscar paint refresh or possibly PA HG. I always just end up just using the BM by itself, its so easy and looks so good, I am afraid that combining it with anything will diminish the looks and slickness.

I would like to see P&S make a Bead maker rinse less wash product.
 
dogma said:
I love ECH2o as a RW. Yes, I did wash it outside, of course I used a gallon of almost hot water and 3 capfuls ( from a ONR bottle) of ECH2o. I also filled a spray bottle with the solution to presoak each panel. The MF wash cloth was very cold after each panel.I used a new MF for each panel.

I personally do not like BSD, I don't like the feel of the surface after its applied and its too finicky for me. this is another product I wanted to like it because I love all Sonax products. I was also thinking of mixing ECh20 with BM. I also had another thought because Powerlock is so slick, I thought about combining it with Jesscar paint refresh or possibly PA HG. I always just end up just using the BM by itself, its so easy and looks so good, I am afraid that combining it with anything will diminish the looks and slickness.

I would like to see P&S make a Bead maker rinse less wash product.
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Awesome it works doing a rinseless wash that way!

Yeah BSD is not a product for everyone. It lacks in some parts and excells in some. But for beeing a QD with actually cleaning ability too the longevity of it and water behavior and self cleaning ability is in those parts one of the most impresive products I have used. I think that useing it in a Flairosol spray bottle it gets easier to apply it. Or a spray bottle that you can get a fine mist from. Cause the sprayer head of BSD IMO is not so good. Some dilute to 1:1 with distilled water and find it easier to use.

How about Sonax Speed Protect a carnuaba based spray and wipe off product?
 
dogma said:
I love ECH2o as a RW. Yes, I did wash it outside, of course I used a gallon of almost hot water and 3 capfuls ( from a ONR bottle) of ECH2o. I also filled a spray bottle with the solution to presoak each panel. The MF wash cloth was very cold after each panel.I used a new MF for each panel.
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How much would you guess 3 ONR capfuls amounts to? 1oz? 3/4oz?
 
When I do an Ech2o RW I measure out 2 ounces and fill up the bucket to 3.5-4.0 gallons of water because I fill up my 1000 ML Kwazzer and pre-trest each panel....and then some, so I wanna too much product than not enough.

Lubricity is important here guys for safe washing when doing a RW

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I tried Bead maker, it was ok, but nothing special. It certainly can't begin to compete with BSD. I think BSD is 99.9% as glossy, but has much, much better protection capabilities. I would take D156, or OW over BM as well. I was not impressed by the protection qualities. After one rain or wash, it was gone.
 
RPPM said:
I tried Bead maker, it was ok, but nothing special. It certainly can't begin to compete with BSD. I think BSD is 99.9% as glossy, but has much, much better protection capabilities. I would take D156, or OW over BM as well. I was not impressed by the protection qualities. After one rain or wash, it was gone.
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Gone after one wash? Did you notice a change in gloss after it cured?

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SWETM said:
Awesome it works doing a rinseless wash that way!

Yeah BSD is not a product for everyone. It lacks in some parts and excells in some. But for beeing a QD with actually cleaning ability too the longevity of it and water behavior and self cleaning ability is in those parts one of the most impresive products I have used. I think that useing it in a Flairosol spray bottle it gets easier to apply it. Or a spray bottle that you can get a fine mist from. Cause the sprayer head of BSD IMO is not so good. Some dilute to 1:1 with distilled water and find it easier to use.


How about Sonax Speed Protect a carnuaba based spray and wipe off product?
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I think Im done with QD's I see no need with products like ECH2o, BM, HydroBlue, Spay and seal and alike.
I did really like AW Enigma QD. I have never tried SSP, but did like Sonos Acrylic glanz. I have so many QD's I don't know what to do with them
 
It was slightly glossier after 24 hours in the garage. After a rain or a wash, the slickness was gone. BSD easily last 2 months, even in the middle of winter.
 
RPPM said:
I tried Bead maker, it was ok, but nothing special. It certainly can't begin to compete with BSD. I think BSD is 99.9% as glossy, but has much, much better protection capabilities. I would take D156, or OW over BM as well. I was not impressed by the protection qualities. After one rain or wash, it was gone.
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For me its the opposite, I do not like BSD to finicky for a QD. To me on my cars BM has way better gloss and its slick. For me it's the best gloss I have seen on my cars. PA HG is awesome as well.

Question eveytime you wash your car do you apply a QD?
 
RPPM said:
It was slightly glossier after 24 hours in the garage. After a rain or a wash, the slickness was gone. BSD easily last 2 months, even in the middle of winter.
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I'll admit I'm a Beadmaker fanboy, some might say I'm at the front of the train throwing coal in (remember Jeremy doing that on Top Gear?!) That said I know it doesn't last long and it certainly isn't one of its strengths, one should know this going in based off of all the info here (not calling you out but rather using YOU as a general term) This is why I just mixed up a 1:1 ratio of Beadmaker and BSD and applied 2 coats over 2 days, we'll see how it does because the temps have dropped and this upcoming week looks like a mess and then next weekend is going to turn into a freezer, so its possible my car doesn't get washed in 2 weeks.....EEEEEEK

I watched a review of several products from Forensic Detailing and he went on and on about BSD's durability, probably shouldn't call it a quick detailer, gets overlooked just because of that. Another product that gets overlooked for the same reason is 303 Speed Detailer, above and beyond a mere quick detailer!

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dogma said:
For me its the opposite, I do not like BSD to finicky for a QD. To me on my cars BM has way better gloss and its slick. For me it's the best gloss I have seen on my cars. PA HG is awesome as well.

Question eveytime you wash your car do you apply a QD?
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Like I said previously, BSD is more than a quick detailer because of what's in it and you can't approach it as such, wish they would change the name designation here, might sell more product!

Btw, how about those bottles, very German

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