wax question

Then Collinite 845 is what you are looking for. Durability is well past the 2 month mark you are getting from Megs.
 
Desertnate said:
If you want to break from Meguiars and try something new, take a look at Collinite 845. I use it on my black car with great results. Durability for one coat is around 6 months.

There are a whole host of economic options sold here if you are willing to branch out and try different things.
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:iagree:its the only wax I use now...............
 
Collinite #845, #476 and #915 are great choices, the later will make your black paint look awesome! #476 will still give a good look but has great durability, really, really great! The #845 is a combo of looks and durabilty but is a liquid, making it even easier to use. There are many threads for "tips and tricks" on these, once you discover Collinite you'll have a new favorite!

...on the other hand though, Duragloss makes easy to apply and remove products for various needs as well. #501 has a good cleaning ability and leaves behind protection as well. #105 is more about protection and has "some" cleaners. #111 is a pure sealant, no cleaners and leaves the paint looking "plastic" almost fake looking, the gloss is that great!! Adding #601 to any of these products makes durabilty better and allows you to apply another product right over the top of it right away, so you could mix say #501/601 @ a 4:1 ratio, 1 being the #601 to the paint first, then maybe #105/601 next and call it a day....or you could even apply #111/601 over the top of that for even better results, its your call.

Klasse All in One and sealant glaze are yet another option, do a search for my "tips and tricks" to use KSG easily or drop me a PM.

There's a world outside of Meg's but they still make some great polishes though, really, really good ones!

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If looking for looks and durability, go for the Collinite 915. It is the best looking Collinite wax, and is only slightly less durable than the 476, and is more durable than the 845.
 
To be honest, I would actually just stick with Meg's Ultimate paste, and then use a spray wax like Meg's ultimate quik wax as a booster product during your weekly or biweekly washes. I find this combo has been working well for me, and I recommend this because you said you have a price constraint. I find Meg's ultimate paste is a very good product that goes on easy and comes off easy, looks good and so far the durability using the ultimate quik wax combo is great. You can find their spray wax over the counter on sale for less than $10. If you're really looking to branch out and try a completely new wax, collinite 476, 845 or 915 are excellent choices. But even with those products I use a booster spray wax in between washes. It's up to how much you want to spend.
 
Collinite doesn't need a booster wax to last 5 months and it seems the OP wants to wax less if he can through out the year (especially summer time like all of us). On top of that winter is right around the corner. I would hate to have to wax my car&truck 3 months into winter when I could have gone 5 to 6 months (unless your in South Fl or Cali) and just get the tail end of it or even miss it completely depending on location.
 
I might stick with meguiars till I have the money to try something different do I need to use ultimate polish before applying ultimate paste wax?
 
godfearingman said:
I might stick with meguiars till I have the money to try something different do I need to use ultimate polish before applying ultimate paste wax?
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In this day and age, I can't come up with 1 reason not to use something like the DP Coating. The look is amazing and outlasts ANY wax/sealant. Not to mention how much easier it is a car to keep clean when coated. Just my 2 cent
 
wytstang said:
Collinite doesn't need a booster wax to last 5 months and it seems the OP wants to wax less if he can through out the year (especially summer time like all of us). On top of that winter is right around the corner. I would hate to have to wax my car&truck 3 months into winter when I could have gone 5 to 6 months (unless your in South Fl or Cali) and just get the tail end of it or even miss it completely depending on location.
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It's my understanding that Collinite 845 is at its maximum limit of lasting 4-6 months regardless of how prepped the surface is. And this is forgoing of how we actually define the durability of the product, whether we base it on looks or surface tension (beading). I know that some have found Meguiar's Ultimate to last 4-6 months for them, which is why I find changing to something else when based on a price constraint is probably not worth it. I always recommend at least getting one wash performed during winter at probably the two month mark accomplished and I would either reapply a wax or apply a spray wax at this point to increase the durability of their protection towards the end of the winter mark. If you're solely using 845 to get you through the winter, you would be hard pressed to determine that 845 is actually providing a more adequate protection of the surface compared to Meg's Ultimate based on anything other than looks, because surface tension is probably the least determinant quality of actual paint polymer protection to base durability upon. Meguiar's Ultimate also might not necessarily need a booster wax to get it through the winter, it's just that regardless of what you have on the surface that I recommend you at least get one wash performed during winter, and a spray wax like Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax would be an adequate form of protection to use during this wash session to keep you safe throughout such winter.

That's my opinion, now, my opinion regarding the necessity of something like Ultimate Polish as a prerequisite to applying an LSP - this depends on how you've already prepped the surface of the paint before thinking about applying your wax or sealant. If you've thoroughly clayed the car, you could go straight towards applying an LSP like Meg's Ultimate with no problem. If you haven't clayed the car, you're going to notice a decrease in the durability of your wax/sealant because it's less likely to bond more securely over those contaminants that sit on the surface of your car compared to a cleaner surface. Certainly, applying a product like Ultimate Polish isn't going to hurt anything at all, and I would recommend that you do use this product if you've already clayed the car and wish to get rid of any hologram marks that would have been introduced to the paint during the compounding process. Also, I have found that Ultimate Polish works well as a pre-wax cleanser product when combined with Ultimate Paste Wax. Is it absolutely necessary? No, depending on how clean the surface is and how well it's been clayed beforehand. I have no problem with you switching waxes if you wish to experiment, but as I view your situation, there are more economical situations you can utilize that don't require you to completely change your base layer wax/sealant product.
 
After washing your car, take one of those real thin/light plastic bags and put your hand in it and run it across the paintwork. If you feel a whole bunch of bumps, then what you're feeling is contamination that doesn't come off during regular washing, it's basically contamination that's started to bond to your clearcoat. Now, many times new cars have this contamination bond to it as they are transported by rail to your dealership and as they sit on the lot waiting to be sold. And depending on how bad this contamination is, it can affect how the wax bonds to the surface of the paint and can affect durability of the wax/sealant. If your car is not garaged, it's not uncommon to find yourself needing to thoroughly clay the surface once every 6 months.
 
You clay as needed, and always clay before polishing.
 
My wife has a Black Honda Pilot. I use and have had exceptionally good results with Black fire products. I clay every year following the winter season. It is amazing what impregnated dirt and contaminants come off even when you cant feel it.
 
It's a 2014 black corolla with right at 7,000 miles I keep it washed and clean. I've waxed it twice since I bought it in January and use spray detailer in between washes. Wondering if I clay it if I need to use ultimate polish then ultimate paste wax afterwards
 
godfearingman said:
It's a 2014 black corolla with right at 7,000 miles I keep it washed and clean. I've waxed it twice since I bought it in January and use spray detailer in between washes. Wondering if I clay it if I need to use ultimate polish then ultimate paste wax afterwards
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It is always a good idea to follow on after claying with a polish and sealant/wax as you will remove your paint protection.
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godfearingman said:
It's a 2014 black corolla with right at 7,000 miles I keep it washed and clean. I've waxed it twice since I bought it in January and use spray detailer in between washes. Wondering if I clay it if I need to use ultimate polish then ultimate paste wax afterwards
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1 - should have clayed it the moment you took it home.

2 - after claying, you need to polish the paint to remove marring caused by the clay.

3 - if you polish paint and you decide to use a sealant, make sure to clean the paint from polishing oils - the sealant will not bond properly and will not last as long as it should

4 - if you wax it, you can skip cleaning the paint (IPA wipe or some other specific oil removal products)

5 - prep is everything. So the better the paint is polished the better the gloss. While wax will add to the final look, the main reason you apply LSPs is to lock in what is underneath.

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks guy's I've never clayed a black car before I did a green mustang I used to havebut never used aanything other than was afterwards. How much better will a black car look after claying polishing and waxing?
 
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