What am I doing wrong? Ford Paint

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I tried to use some Ultimate Compund today with G110 and yellow polishing pad. I followed the usual steps and I have watched your video many times on how to use the PC. It doesnt seem like the finish is correcting much at all. Either I am not doing it correct or maybe I need something stronger? I ordered some 105 just to have in my arsenal anyway but I havent got it yet. I tried to take the best pics I could I really do not have the best camera. Here are some pics sorry if they are not good. Also is the pad suppose to look like that? Its a 03 black Ford Escape.
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you could either use a more abrasive pad or more aggressive compound or combination of both to correct the paint to your satisfaction. I have worked on quite a few escapes and their paint is normally pretty easy to work on. I have used 105 on a white compounding 3m pad with a rotary, followed by 205 with a 3m light blue ultrafine polishing pad on a rotary and achieved flawless results on 2 black escapes (03 and 05)

As far as your pad question goes, just clean it and re-prep it as outlined in the KB method. You can then use just a few small drops and get the job done. It looks like your pad is saturated IMO.

Also have you tried a compounding pad on a test section to see if the cut is appropriate? If you get the cut you want with a more aggressive pad but some marring then follow up with the lighter pad.
 
To me it looks like you are mirco marring the hell out of the paint from the pictures you have posted. I would say try using less aggressive pad to see if you remove that mirco marring out.
 
If you don't get the cut you want, step up to your next aggressive combo (Polish or pad, not both at once) If that removes the swirls but leaves marring it's ok, the next step will get the gloss back.

That pad looks to me like you didn't clay before polishing, or even try to remove the old wax from years past.
 
I didnt clay before, I was just trying to test out the compound before I attempted to do the whole car. I just gave that section a good wash to make sure there was no dirt or anything. The pad really didnt feel saturated it was only one little section I did and it was a new pad. I am fairly new to all of this so please bare with me! I just tried the same pad and compound on the pillar and it came out very nice. Im thinking maybe the hood is different since I think it was repainted before? I appreciate all the comments and help!
 
To me it looks like you are mirco marring the hell out of the paint from the pictures you have posted. I would say try using less aggressive pad to see if you remove that mirco marring out.


So the yellow pad you think is too agressive?
 
No its a Meguairs polishing pad, yes Im assuming its clearcoated since it was repaired at a normal body shop a few years back when I had an accident.
 
No its a Meguairs polishing pad, yes Im assuming its clearcoated since it was repaired at a normal body shop a few years back when I had an accident.

Claying before polishing is a must. If you have any surface contamination on the paint, an abrasive compound will lift it and implant it in your pad. The rotation of the pad will rub the contaminates on the paint and thus cause fine scratches from the contact of a particle to the paint.

If the pad you are using is the megs softbuff polishing pad, it is pretty mild overall so it may be a good choice for what you want to do. If you wish to get more cut it will be necessary to look at different options for pads and compounds such as the meguiars twins. Always start at the least aggressiveness possible and work up from there. If you decide its going to take 105 to do the trick, I would follow up with a finishing polish to get any marring out that remains.

As far as the repainted hood goes, use a white microfiber with some compound and rub a small area. If color shows up on the towel, it is single stage so your approach will have to be a little different. If it is base/clear, try taping off a small square on the hood and figure out what works by experimenting with different pad/polish combos until you find something adequate. It might take more than a single step to get the paint up to your standards.

Also remember to clean your pad often in order to minimize or possibly eliminate marring. Good luck with everything.
 
So after each section that I try to polish, do I reapply more product on the pad, Im afraid that I will saturate it too much. I have been watching the videos and if I break down the hood say into 4 sections, after each section should I apply a X bead on the pad everytime? Sorry If I am posting in the wrong section or anything.
 
So after each section that I try to polish, do I reapply more product on the pad, Im afraid that I will saturate it too much. I have been watching the videos and if I break down the hood say into 4 sections, after each section should I apply a X bead on the pad everytime? Sorry If I am posting in the wrong section or anything.

I'm not sure if it's the recommended way to go about things, but I always prep the pad with spray detailer before starting; then i put 5 small dabs of polish on the pad and spread it on low speed. This allows the polish to spread over the pad and over the section. After spreading I turn up the machine and polish as usual. After the section is complete, I wipe down the sectoin and I use a nylon brush to clean the crud out of the pad, then give it a quick spray and a few more dabs. I continue to the next section and repeat the process.

The process may be a little different with a DA because I work with a rotary almost exclusively.
 
I will just be cleaning the pad on the fly as Mike Phillips reccomends. I just bought a few pads for my 08 Civic that I will trying to detail. I am scared to try it now! I bought a ccs white and ccs gray, I figured those were gentle for the Honda.
 
Always always clay before buffing. Or at least do the sandwich bag test before using a DA/rotary. Chances are that surface will feel rough. Giving it a good wash will not remove embedded contaminants. Only claying will. Letting a buffer loose on contaminated paint would just result in you literally swirling around grit and brake dust and deposits and etc.... yikes. So the swirls remaining on your pics are either because you didn't have an aggressive enough pad/polish combo, or you are micromarring the paint from contaminants. Eliminate one of the variables by claying.

Don't rush results. I know it's a lot of work, but you will reap and appreciate the rewards in the end. Good luck.
 
If it's a yellow LC pad is like using a brick to polish. Try an orange pad.
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IME, a yellow pad will marr the hell out of paint. Use an orange pad an UC. If that doesn't do the trick, use an orange pad and M105. You must follow with a finer polish and a less abrasive pad(especially with black). :dblthumb2:
 
You guys need to relax in your pad contamination posts if you do not clay. If it really was pad contamination why is the marring so uniform, do you think the contamination is going to get on the pad in such a uniform order. It is going to bunch up and if anything cause pigtails. I have an Expedition to start on today and I am not going to clay just for this very reason and take pics.
 
Did you try following with a finer polish? What you posted looks like micromarring. I'd follow it with Meguiar's 205 or SwirlX and a finishing pad on speed 5 and it should clean it right up.
 
Did you try following with a finer polish? What you posted looks like micro-marring. I'd follow it with Meguiar's 205 or SwirlX and a finishing pad on speed 5 and it should clean it right up.

Matt's right.

Your process isn't just the first step, it's all the steps.

You do the first step to see if you can remove the defects, like swirls and scratches. If you're lucky, your car has "polishable" or workable" paint and it comes out looking beautiful after the first cutting or correction step.

If you're unlucky, you see micro-marring, or hazing like shown in your picture. This is the tick-marks or scratches that as Dana pointed out, look so uniform in the paint. They are caused by,

  • The oscillating action of a DA Polisher
  • The foam formula
  • The abrasives
After you find a way to remove the defects you're trying to remove initially, then all you have to do is find a way to remove the tick-marks or micro-marring with a secondary step.

People have a tendency to forget where they started from and that's usually a swirled-out, scratched up paint job. They reduce all the major defects down to jut the micro-marring and from there continue with the process and remove the micro-marring.

This is where it would be nice if paint companies made paints that polished well to start with, but you get what you get, whether it's from the factory or in this case from a body shop.

It's good to see you started out doing some testing first before going over the entire car. Any members or lurkers reading this take note. This is why it's so important to do a "Test Spot" first and dial in a process that makes the paint look GREAT and then duplicate the process over the rest of the car.

If you can't make one small section look great you certainly don't want to be buffing out the rest of the car with the process that's not working on your car's paint system.

The test spot is a process too, not just the application of a single product.


As for how much product to apply to the face of your pad, after initial break-in, you can cut down on the amount of product you apply, for example, just a single line of product or a half circle, or some guys like to use dots or spots of product.

You have to vary this by what you find it's taking to correct your paint. Paint in really bad condition might require more product and even a second application to the same section. Paint that polishes well and is in good condition might not take as much product and fewer passes to correct.

Each paint system on different cars will react differently, this is why it's so important to test first, the buff out the entire car.




:)
 
You guys need to relax in your pad contamination posts if you do not clay. If it really was pad contamination why is the marring so uniform, do you think the contamination is going to get on the pad in such a uniform order. It is going to bunch up and if anything cause pigtails.

I have an Expedition to start on today and I am not going to clay just for this very reason and take pics.

Everyone can find their own way and if it works for you then go with it.

I personally clay everything before I work on the paint and I recommend to others the same practice and also teach this practice in classes.

It only makes sense to remove the above surface contaminants so they are out of the way before going after the defects that are below the surface.

I even do this if I plan on compounding the paint using a rotary buffer with a wool cutting pad and an aggressive compound. Even though the cutting action of the wool fibers and the abrasives in the compound will usually remove anything on the surface, it only take minutes to clay the horizontal surfaces and claying effectively removes aboves surface contaminants and makes it a non-issue for the rest of the steps.

As you pointed out though, the micro-marring or tick marks in the OP's picture were not caused by contaminants as the uniform pattern is the results of micro-marring.


:)
 
Everyone can find their own way and if it works for you then go with it.

I personally clay everything before I work on the paint and I recommend to others the same practice and also teach this practice in classes.

It only makes sense to remove the above surface contaminants so they are out of the way before going after the defects that are below the surface.

I even do this if I plan on compounding the paint using a rotary buffer with a wool cutting pad and an aggressive compound. Even though the cutting action of the wool fibers and the abrasives in the compound will usually remove anything on the surface, it only take minutes to clay the horizontal surfaces and claying effectively removes aboves surface contaminants and makes it a non-issue for the rest of the steps.

As you pointed out though, the micro-marring or tick marks in the OP's picture were not caused by contaminants as the uniform pattern is the results of micro-marring.


:)

I agree with you on this Mike, but I wanted to make a point that the contaminants did not cause this problem and people need to learn how to read a finish better than just throwing out random incorrect information.
 
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