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OK so I just got my new porter cable and menzerna polishing products and did my truck for the first time. Now I have these marks I can't seem to get rid of. You can see them in the sunlight and they move as you move when looking at them. They almost look like rotary marks but my truck have never been touched by one. Here's my method I used:

wash and clay
Menzerna SIP with orange LC pad
IPA wipdown
Menzerna Super Finish Nano with white LC pad
ipa wipedown

They just won't go away even when I have gone over them with sip and then Nano again followed by a wash and ipa wipe downs. The polish did do a good job of removing spiderweb scratches though. My truck by the way is a 2003 Chevy S10. Any help? Thanks


 
What make of truck is it? How do you know the dealership didn't hit it with a rotary before you bought it? (I assume you bought it brand new) If you have always kept it waxed from new they may have been there since new but you just hadn't noticed them because they were filled with wax. Now that you're doing an IPA wipedown they have been cleaned of wax or fillers making them visible.

The way you describe them, I would say that they are holograms for sure and if it is really hard paint they can be tough to polish out.
 
I don't see any marks. Are you talking about the tiny white dots? I thought they were flake but could be chips?

oh, are they those faint vertical lines near the bottom right of the panel?
 
embolism said:
I don't see any marks. Are you talking about the tiny white dots? I thought they were flake but could be chips?
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I see what appears to be vertical holograms or buffer trails on the door panel just above and to the left of the sun reflection that is on the trim piece.
 
tuscarora dave said:
What make of truck is it? How do you know the dealership didn't hit it with a rotary before you bought it? (I assume you bought it brand new) If you have always kept it waxed from new they may have been there since new but you just hadn't noticed them because they were filled with wax. Now that you're doing an IPA wipedown they have been cleaned of wax or fillers making them visible.

The way you describe them, I would say that they are holograms for sure and if it is really hard paint they can be tough to polish out.
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It's a 2003 Chevy S10. I bought used a few years back and I don't remember seeing holograms before. Shouldn't they have been removed if all the other scratches and defects seem to have been removed?
 
RaznStatic said:
Shouldn't they have been removed if all the other scratches and defects seem to have been removed?
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You would think so. Try re polishing that area but move your polisher in horizontal passes only, to make sure that your polishing process is not leaving them behind.
 
tuscarora dave said:
You would think so. Try re polishing that area but move your polisher in horizontal passes only, to make sure that your polishing process is not leaving them behind.
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I polish both ways like the video posted by autogeek and slowly.
 
Hopefully they are not the beginning stages of clear coat failure that end up looking like the door on this van.

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I see the hologram like marks. Are you sure that panel hasn't been painted? Cause I see quite a bit of orange peel. Maybe there's a defect in the paint? That would explain why it's still there after you buffed.
 
what kind of towels you using? i have seen towel induced marring that looked similar to that.
 
I don't think it's that. There's really not that many of these marks on my truck and there not that noticeable unless the right light and angle hits it. They really do look like holograms but they don't look like distinct trails from a rotary like many pics I've seen online. I don't know hopefully it's nothing bad like that.
 
Kristopher1129 said:
I see the hologram like marks. Are you sure that panel hasn't been painted? Cause I see quite a bit of orange peel. Maybe there's a defect in the paint? That would explain why it's still there after you buffed.
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The truck does have that orange peel effect but it is factory painted. As for the towels I use, when I bought my porter cable on autogeek it came with 10 free Christmas autogeek microfiber towels.
 
I would bet you now see it because you have cleaned up everything else and its all thats left. No idea how to get them off after all you have done so far has not effected them.

Depending on your OCD level you either can leave them after blaming them on the Christmas towls(my favorite idea), or try something with more cut but if its a DD you may be working in vain.
 
I would hit it with a compound. MG105, MG205, and see how it looks. If that doesn't do it. You may be talking about wet sanding, then compounding again. I can't imagine you would have to go to that level. But, it's hard to tell from the picture. You never know!
 
Kristopher1129 said:
I would hit it with a compound. MG105, MG205, and see how it looks. If that doesn't do it. You may be talking about wet sanding, then compounding again. I can't imagine you would have to go to that level. But, it's hard to tell from the picture. You never know!
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How can holograms remain if spiderweb scratches and even some deeper ones were removed and the paint looks excellent and pretty much defect free? The holograms look like almost polish residue but obviously there not because they won't go away with an ipa wipedown. I already spent a ton on menzerna polishes and LC pads, along with the porter cable. I don't have the cash right to purchase any compounds.
 
Come to think of it, before I had the porter cable I detailed my car about 6 months ago by hand and used the klasse twins and I believe I saw these same marks and just thought maybe I had applied too much klasse sealant. They may have very well been there before and weren't caused by the porter cable after all.
 
tuscarora dave said:
Hopefully they are not the beginning stages of clear coat failure that end up looking like the door on this van.
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Your words apply to my truck. I am now sure that my Dakota that I purchased used had been buffed extensively for resale. The clear coat eventually failed. If only i had a paint thickness gauge.

I wonder what a dealer would think if I showed up with a paint thickness gauge prior to buying a used vehicle.
 
It is kind of hard to tell from that picture, but it almost looks like bird dropping, or maybe a chemical splatter that ended up marking your clear coat, if you have done all that it might be one of those things you might need to live with, or risk eating too much clear...
 
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