What interior dressings are silicone-based?

Kurt_s

New member
Joined
Dec 18, 2009
Messages
1,263
Reaction score
0
I was reviewing the AG interior cleaning how-to's and noted that silicone-based interior dressings should be avoided as they may cause longer term problems such as yellowing.

So what interior products on the market are silicone-based including both AG and non-AG available dressings?
 
Auto Magic makes a couple of products that fit that bill: No. 61 Xtreme Dress-It (which is the thickest of the three), No. 62 Universal Dressing, and No. 65 Super Dress-It. According to their website, all three are water-based silicone dressings that can be used for both interior and exterior.

Ardex makes a product called Speedy Brightener that is "a solvent based, silicone and polymer mixture" for tires and interiors.

Not sure how a product can be a water-based silicone dressing, as I thought water and silicone didn't mix, but I don't know. I just know that none of these would be going on my interior.
 
Title Edit: What silicone-based interior dressings should be avoided?

Auto Magic makes a couple of products that fit that bill: No. 61 Xtreme Dress-It (which is the thickest of the three), No. 62 Universal Dressing, and No. 65 Super Dress-It. According to their website, all three are water-based silicone dressings that can be used for both interior and exterior.

Ardex makes a product called Speedy Brightener that is "a solvent based, silicone and polymer mixture" for tires and interiors.

Not sure how a product can be a water-based silicone dressing, as I thought water and silicone didn't mix, but I don't know. I just know that none of these would be going on my interior.

Hey Shane, Thanks for the followup!

Maybe the title was misworded, so I'm trying to edit the title. The Wolfgang interior detailing "how-to" recommended against using silicone-based dressings.

If we're supposed to avoid silicone based interior dressings, what interior dressings should we avoid? This could be an interesting discussion.
 
Re: Title Edit: What silicone-based interior dressings should be avoided?

If we're supposed to avoid silicone based interior dressings, what interior dressings should we avoid?

Huh? Are you sure that sentence is worded right, because it doesn't make any sense to me. Feed back please
 
Not sure how a product can be a water-based silicone dressing, as I thought water and silicone didn't mix, but I don't know. I just know that none of these would be going on my interior.

Water based silicone dressings refers in a lot of cases to a silicone based polymer that is water soluble. Polydimethylsiloxane comes to mind. A lot of companies use this polymer as a protectant and through proper emulsion it can be soluble in water with no negative side effects.
 
i would go with optimum interior dressing. or cockpit by einzett.
 
Re: Title Edit: What silicone-based interior dressings should be avoided?

Huh? Are you sure that sentence is worded right, because it doesn't make any sense to me. Feed back please

I'll try again. What interior dressings should we avoid per the warning below from the AutoGeek Website?

Warning! Avoid silicone-based protectants. Silicone leaves an oily residue and it attracts dust. Over time, it can turn your dashboard yellow. Stick to water-based protectants and you’ll never have to worry about a greasy, yellow interior.
 
i would go with optimum interior dressing. or cockpit by einzett.

Thanks Tom!

I'm not enamored with OPP as it doesn't apply as evenly as other dressings and finishes a bit flat to me. I haven't tried the Einzett products yet, but I've seen that many senior members like it. I'm thinking about the Ultima interior product too.

Below is the warning that I thought deserving of discussion.

Warning! Avoid silicone-based protectants. Silicone leaves an oily residue and it attracts dust. Over time, it can turn your dashboard yellow. Stick to water-based protectants and you’ll never have to worry about a greasy, yellow interior.

I Googled silicone-based interior dressings before starting this thread. 303AP and Pinnacle's vinyl and rubber lotion were two products noted as being silicone-based interior dressings that were water-based but supposedly safe in one older thread.

I was thinking that many vinyl and rubber products might include silicone and wondered which ones should be avoided.
 
Thanks Tom!

I'm not enamored with OPP as it doesn't apply as evenly as other dressings and finishes a bit flat to me.
I agree about OPP.

While UIGP does apply evenly, it's definitely got a low gloss matte finish to it. Not sure if you would like it...
 
Last edited:
I like Poorboys Natural Look Poorboy's Natural Look Dressing: Natural Look Dressing is a non-toxic, tri-action lotion performing cleaning, protecting and beautifying duties in one

Doesn't feel greasy, smells good, wont hurt leather if it oversprays. Water based with UV protection. Can be glossy or matte depending on your buffing.

EDIT: Oops, read your question wrong, you are looking for Silicone to AVOID... got it!! :D

No worries. What to try is as important as what not to buy.

If we're supposed to avoid silicone-based interior dressings according to the AG website, which ones should we avoid? One website suggested that the 303P and Pinnacle Vinyl and Rubber dressings were water-based, silicone-based products too.

The warning is somewhat confusing when it may be certain silicone's may be bad.
 
That is confusing. Just reading the MSDS on the 303. It says it IS water soluble. According to Dow Chemical, most silicone polymers are NOT water soluble.

So they may have the silicone that is. So then I question if it is water soluble silicone polymers, does it harm like a typical non soluble silicone?

I always thought just to avoid those that contain petroleum distillates and are flammable.

Great thread, looking forward to the answers.
 
The word "based" like in silicone based is quite misleading. For example, water based leather conditioners can have oils in them and vice versa. Silicone is found in many water based car care products.
 
:hungry:
The word "based" like in silicone based is quite misleading. For example, water based leather conditioners can have oils in them and vice versa. Silicone is found in many water based car care products.
good point. ive heard that products that say no silicone actually have some. i give up trying to figure that all out .
 
The warning on the AG website about using interior dressings that are silicone-based is quite misleading.

I would like to know which products are safe and effective, and which should be avoided. I'm not convinced that all water-based dressings are both safe and effective.
 
That is confusing. Just reading the MSDS on the 303. It says it IS water soluble. According to Dow Chemical, most silicone polymers are NOT water soluble.

So they may have the silicone that is. So then I question if it is water soluble silicone polymers, does it harm like a typical non soluble silicone?

I always thought just to avoid those that contain petroleum distillates and are flammable.

Great thread, looking forward to the answers.

It all about the side chains with silicone-based polymers. One silicone polymer may have a flourocarbon sidechain and not be soluble in water or other non-harmful solvents. Another polymer with the same exact backbone may have a methyl or ethyl side chain and be perfectly soluble in water.

Most of the later silicone based polymers have a hydrophobic and hydrophilic side and will cause an emulsion in their solution. It is the job of the chemist or chemical engineer to ensure that the polymer is safe on the desired surface and interacts favorably with solvents that are safe on the desired surface. Everyone on here knows that water doesn't hurt much of anything in moderation so the chemist will design the polymer to be water soluble and still safe when cross linked across a given surface be it paint, vinyl, leather, plastic etc.

It is my assumption that the chemical companies such as pinnacle, meguiars, four star, ultima and lexol have done their research and know exactly how their product will interact with a surface. They design their product to protect and condition the surface and clearly state what surface it is they have designed their product around. IMO if a product say "leather and vinyl protectant" it can be safely used on leather and vinyl. Same goes for tire and trim; rubber and plastic, plastic and glass, paint, all interior etc.
 
Hi All, I just purchased a plastic can of interior wipes from Simonize, and was wondering if they will hurt my dashboard . I have heard of some interior cleaners that dry out your interior and cause it to crack pre-maturly. I thought it was the water based ones and the oil based ones were safe. I know silicone can build up, crack, and yellow, certain kinds that is from past experience.
 
It all about the side chains with silicone-based polymers. One silicone polymer may have a flourocarbon sidechain and not be soluble in water or other non-harmful solvents. Another polymer with the same exact backbone may have a methyl or ethyl side chain and be perfectly soluble in water.

Most of the later silicone based polymers have a hydrophobic and hydrophilic side and will cause an emulsion in their solution. It is the job of the chemist or chemical engineer to ensure that the polymer is safe on the desired surface and interacts favorably with solvents that are safe on the desired surface. Everyone on here knows that water doesn't hurt much of anything in moderation so the chemist will design the polymer to be water soluble and still safe when cross linked across a given surface be it paint, vinyl, leather, plastic etc.

It is my assumption that the chemical companies such as pinnacle, meguiars, four star, ultima and lexol have done their research and know exactly how their product will interact with a surface. They design their product to protect and condition the surface and clearly state what surface it is they have designed their product around. IMO if a product say "leather and vinyl protectant" it can be safely used on leather and vinyl. Same goes for tire and trim; rubber and plastic, plastic and glass, paint, all interior etc.

I understand the concept of adding hydrophobic and hydrohylic side branches to molecules to make them soluble in various solvents, including water. I am not convinced that all interior products promoted as safe and effective are truly safe and effective for all surfaces claimed, as vehicles differ. I've seen more than my fair share of issues caused by "safe and effective" products over the years.

I think that most of us have seen how some carpet cleaners seem to attract dirt to a spot which was spot treated. I remember the dash of my 72 Pinto wagon splitting shortly after using AA for the first time. I've seen adhesive remover melt a hole in the CC on one of my rims when it was touted as safe (it was a repaired rim, not factor CC). I've seen CC rims discolored by "ph neutral, all wheel safe" wheel cleaners requiring polishing to correct it. Heck, the vendor didn't even bother to respond to my complaint(s).

We know that some leather cleaners and conditioners work better than others. Some seem to dry out the leather or stitching while others enrich them. I have a leather ottoman that needs restaining after apparently I misused the safe and effective product.

So I guess my question is, what silicone-based products should be avoided or is there a lot more to it than silicone-based?
 
Back
Top