what's the last car care/detailing video you've just watched?
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I have a basic digital pH and TDS meter. No doubt better out there, but I mostly use it for comparison between similar style of products.
As for testing the pH tolerance of a wax, sealant, spray sealant or ceramic coating, I'm not sure how they arrive at those figures. I guess they would be doing something along the lines of a torture test, but in a controlled, consistent manner.
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Same.
EliXir and Hydr02 are about what I expected but Reload always felt more substantial to me. In some ways, I think this shows how basic spray and wipe products don't have the level of "protection" we are led to believe.
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IMO you just can't expect miracles from a spray, it's watered down to make it easy to apply/flash. That said, maybe use one every other week, maybe once a month and you'll probably be good to go but ofcoarse, if using Bilt-Hamber as a pte-wash you simply re-apply your spray sealant, isn't that all you really need to do guys 
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These screen shots are from the Carpro catalog. Take note of the pH tolerances...............................
Naturally, the ceramic coatings offer the widest spread of pH tolerance, ranging from an acidic 2 or 3 up to an alkaline 12 or 13.
But check out the numbers for the spray sealants and "ceramic" detailers, Reload 2.0, Hydr02 and EliXir only having a very small window of pH tolerance of 6 to 7.
If Reload, Hydr02 and EliXir are only used as a topper to an existing coating, this is less important. But if used as standalone products, you need to be mindful of what you use to clean the car with if you want to see the claimed durability numbers (3 months for Reload and Hydr02, 1 month for EliXir).
So, outside of a pH 7.5 (neutral) soap, using anything stronger will kill or severely harm any of those products. I would also recommend dialing in your soap dilution rates to prevent overdosing. Hitting them with Descale at pH 3.7 or Lift at 12.3 would only be used when preparing for the next application.
I know this is only Carpro, but hopefully it gives an indication of what to expect with "ceramic" spray sealants and how they react to chemicals, be that through normal washing or via YouTube "torture tests".
No I get what your saying but if your saying this correlate’s to other products but Pan’s product significantly out performs ADS. So this test indicates either ADS is a bad product or Pans is a really good product.
At least in PH resistance which I would find important if this is my main form of protection. In my environment I can guarantee my paint is seeing higher and lower PH of 6-7 from environmental contaminants, traffic film. Even rain on average is a PH below 6.
I’ve seen other sealants stand up well in torture tests too.
I personally hit a few with Descale and AutoFoam (not in same wash) and seen some not get fazed. Others some degradation. Griots 3-1 was one that sticks out in my mind.
And although known to be a great product Elixer is a classified by CarPro as a quick detailer.
Hydro2 and most spray and rinse strong suits is ease of application. I suspect most these types of product would do well in a torture test.
Reload has never been a force in this category and maybe it’s due to its PH tolerance.
Respect your opinion but this is not something I think correlates from CarPro to a lot of other brands.
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I find the torture tests to be somewhat unrealistic. Dont know about others but im not in the habit of applying wheel cleaner to my paint. Also if im going to use bug and tar im not going to spray or rub it all over paint. Im going to use it very sparingly and very controlled, and afterwards ill reapply protection to the spots where i used the cleaner.
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Wheel cleaner is just usually just a high PH APC. A lot apply that to paint. Understandably though as the Adam’s has a PH of 13.5.
The ADS (in video being discussed) was knocked down severely with Koch chemie greenstar (10:1) an all purpose cleaner. Even with Reset a strong Neutral cleaner it was degrading
A BIG population of detailing prosumers will use APC’s as pretreat.
Agreed though that most torture test can’t be an idea of real world durability but surprising when products a lot of people use to wash there car break them down.
And to Pans sealant’s credit it showed signs of life after Gyeon Total remover which is designed to remove sealants.
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I'm pretty sure this won't go sideways but it seems ADS Ceramic Spray is being used as the "whipping boy" here lately
So I coated my EN with ADS Ceramic Coating, 3 yr version and right up till it got too cold I added about 3 stacks of ADS Ceramic Spray to it. Since then it's been maintained with RW's, a couple 2BM's at the Bays using a good, strong pre-wash and good carwash and for the past couple weeks, returning to my touch-free wash, sometimes pre-treating and sometimes not
I have no way of knowing if my ADS Ceramic Spray "stack" has "left the chat" or not but I don't Spray APC's and other nonsensical products on my paint, Mother Nature is my test bed, outside 24/7 and driven everyday
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I hope some common sense prevails here soon about all these torture tests, no matter which product, well unless your clouds are releasing APC where you live
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So I coated my EN with ADS Ceramic Coating, 3 yr version and right up till it got too cold I added about 3 stacks of ADS Ceramic Spray to it. Since then it's been maintained with RW's, a couple 2BM's at the Bays using a good, strong pre-wash and good carwash and for the past couple weeks, returning to my touch-free wash, sometimes pre-treating and sometimes not
I have no way of knowing if my ADS Ceramic Spray "stack" has "left the chat" or not but I don't Spray APC's and other nonsensical products on my paint, Mother Nature is my test bed, outside 24/7 and driven everyday
️I hope some common sense prevails here soon about all these torture tests, no matter which product, well unless your clouds are releasing APC where you live
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I seem to remember Amplify having better chemical resistance than their Ceramic Spray Sealant in SheepStar's test, I wonder if it's similar to NV's Lustre and Jet which seem stronger together than the sum of their individual abilities, if you get my meaning.
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Are you saying you mix Lustre & Jet together Dave
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I layered it, as suggested on NV's US website. I couldn't see a similar suggestion on their Australian site. I also polished with Carpro Essence before applying Lustre, then allowed a 2 hour cure time before applying Jet.Are you saying you mix Lustre & Jet together Dave
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It's probably still on there protecting the Qashqai, but it also has Dodo Juice Blue Velvet on top as a sacrificial layer.
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With my luck I'd lose my eyebrows, or melt my paint.Ever consider mixing them in a bottle together
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I read Bradley’s comment on Sheepstar’s video. It seems that the sealant and Amplify were designed to be maintenance products for coatings first and stand alone protection second. These days this type of product synergy is the rule and not the exception as every company is all in on making the next great coating. I have no clue about the longevity of ADS sealant as I’ve only used it as a topper for my coating just to test out the application and I like it just as much as any other sealant I’ve used. From all the torture test videos I’ve seen it seems to strike a balance between ease of application and durability.
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Bradley's just staying on coarse hereI read Bradley’s comment on Sheepstar’s video. It seems that the sealant and Amplify were designed to be maintenance products for coatings first and stand alone protection second. These days this type of product synergy is the rule and not the exception as every company is all in on making the next great coating. I have no clue about the longevity of ADS sealant as I’ve only used it as a topper for my coating just to test out the application and I like it just as much as any other sealant I’ve used. From all the torture test videos I’ve seen it seems to strike a balance between ease of application and durability.
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I wouldn't dispute any of that.
However, my aim with that post was to highlight the limitations of spray and wipe sealants. I think a lot of people get led to believe that a simple spray and wipe product is going to provide meaningful protection as a standalone, which just isn't always the case. That doesn't mean any of these products are bad, be that Capro's, Pan's, ADS, Gyeon...................................but it is important to understand the possible limitations, especially if used as standalone protection. I'd dare say most here would know this.
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I'm pretty sure this won't go sideways but it seems ADS Ceramic Spray is being used as the "whipping boy" here lately
So I coated my EN with ADS Ceramic Coating, 3 yr version and right up till it got too cold I added about 3 stacks of ADS Ceramic Spray to it. Since then it's been maintained with RW's, a couple 2BM's at the Bays using a good, strong pre-wash and good carwash and for the past couple weeks, returning to my touch-free wash, sometimes pre-treating and sometimes not
I have no way of knowing if my ADS Ceramic Spray "stack" has "left the chat" or not but I don't Spray APC's and other nonsensical products on my paint, Mother Nature is my test bed, outside 24/7 and driven everyday
I hope some common sense prevails here soon about all these torture tests, no matter which product, well unless your clouds are releasing APC where you live
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Using products like Touch-less have P H levels up there with APC. I’m sure chemical comp may be different but a lot of pro detailers will boot high alkaline pre wash for APC for price. Using APC for bugs is a common practice
Of not pre washing I will hit lower rockers and front bumper with Surfex…
And for me it’s not about whose product it is it’s how it works.
And let’s be honest what would general reaction be if results were reversed…
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