When is the Meguiars DA microfiber system coming out????

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Who said I didn't like the system? In fact I said I do like the system. All I have said is that it isn't the revolution that everyone is talking about. It is just another tool to use detailing vehicles. I feel bad for all the people who are going to buy it based on the hype and be disappointed. Oh and you said it works on all DA's...sounds like talking about the performance to me.

I would tend to agree with this. The M105/Surbuf combo is one AWESOME combo on a true DA. I don't see how any other combo could be THAT much better. FWIW, I'm not saying the DA MF system is a bad system either.

 

[RaskyR1]

I would tend to agree with this. The M105/Surbuf combo is one AWESOME combo on a true DA. I don't see how any other combo could be THAT much better. FWIW, I'm not saying the DA MF system is a bad system either.

Is there anything that you dislike about the M105/Surbuf combo???


Working time? Dust? Pad life?

 

[RaskyR1]

As anxious as everyone is for this to come out, the people who have been testing are probably even more anxious. While my testing has been limited compared to Joe and some of the other guys, there is nothing worse than having to hold on to your pictures and videos waiting to get the green light.


We all just need to be a little more patient.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Is there anything that you dislike about the M105/Surbuf combo???


Working time? Dust? Pad life?

I think the working time is fairly good with this specific pad and M105, but not as long as I'd like. I have a feeling the new compound may have a longer working time than M105, but not cut as well/fst. Dust hasn't really been a problem for me. Surbuf pad life has been great as long as I've kept them clean during and after use. I don't like how they curl up, though.

 

[RaskyR1]

I think the working time is fairly good with this specific pad and M105, but not as long as I'd like. I have a feeling the new compound may have a longer working time than M105, but not cut as well/fst. Dust hasn't really been a problem for me. Surbuf pad life has been great as long as I've kept them clean during and after use. I don't like how they curl up, though.

I have a hard time getting more than 2-3 uses out of my Surbuf's. I think the curling of them is just a trait of the thin pad exposed to the heat of polishing. I get quite a bit of dust with that combo too, but that's always been the nature of compounds.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I have a hard time getting more than 2-3 uses out of my Surbuf's.

You probably use them a lot more than I do. Well, correcting, generally speaking.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Is It My Turn Again :hungry:

Can't comment about any of that. I don't use hot shine and was never part of testing it.


Actually. its not just their Hot Shine. All of there products that use the black handled sprayer heads were defective during a certain time frame in 2010. I know personally I went through over a dozen bottles and every single one of them failed before I could get the first squirt out. There are several threads on the subject over @ MOL...I'm surprised you haven't seen them


What hype? They announced it at SEMA. Do a search of the various forums and you will find post after post of assumptions and speculations. If anything, myself and a few others of us that have tested the system then posted pictures of vehicles we polished with it are the guilty ones.

Joe...seriously, come on now. Are you really trying to say there was no one hyping this up before SEMA?

I will go into research mode if need be. Even if you "lucky few" product testers didn't start the thread, it always seemed you were eager to chime in and ad HYPE

Everybody that has tested this product has signed paperwork promising not to disclose the performance of the system or post pics... yada yada yada.......

I see they are treating you like a 15 year old girl too...sign a piece of paper...lol

I don't know the full story of what happened over at Meguiars, but its of my understanding they are owned by 3M now. No?

Here is where the problem lyes if this is indeed true. The Meguiar family built this fantastic company into the industry leader by putting down alot of shoe leather, long days, and a 100 years of research and devoleptment to produce products others could only mimmick.

Now enter Corporate America (3M) "The Suits/Board of Directors" only job is to produce large profit margains instead of focusing on producing superior products that they are known for

For somebody that doesn't like the system your all over this post.

I just hope they live up to all the hype is all I'm saying oke:

 

[Grizzly]

I agree with Flash.

This is getting plain silly.

This is being overhyped and you know it. Why all these teaser photos, and details etc when you signed some form saying you cant and wouldnt?

Me thinks the system isnt the next greatest thing since sliced bread.

Once the system is released and doesnt recieve critical acclaim we will see who has "pie" on their face.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I agree with Flash.

This is getting plain silly.

This is being overhyped and you know it. Why all these teaser photos, and details etc when you signed some form saying you cant and wouldnt?

Me thinks the system isnt the next greatest thing since sliced bread.

Once the system is released and doesnt recieve critical acclaim we will see who has "pie" on their face.

I totally agree. Meguiar's has handled and is handling this product launch very poorly.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Now enter Corporate America (3M) "The Suits/Board of Directors" only job is to produce large profit margains instead of focusing on producing superior products that they are known for

Hey, I'm first in line to bash today's big business way of doing things, but that's really not fair to 3M which has a long history of technical innovation. Besides, the Meguiar's hype-train marketing method goes back way before 3M bought them. It was a bit before my time, but what was it--lab sample #14??

 

[Grizzly]

Hey, I'm first in line to bash today's big business way of doing things, but that's really not fair to 3M which has a long history of technical innovation. Besides, the Meguiar's hype-train marketing method goes back way before 3M bought them. It was a bit before my time, but what was it--lab sample #14??

Theres a thirty page long thread on MOL regarding the Solo system.

That was very hyped up and look what happened, you hardly ever see it mentioned or in any writeups.

Anyways, everyone got pissed off because they delayed the release by several months.

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

I find it disheartening that people are making disparaging comments about How a company chooses to test and release products. Almost as if they feel slighted in some way shape or form. Why not just be excited once it is released to the public, Appreciative that due diligence was done with testing And grateful for what is going to be a game changer as many have stated???

Signed me confused....


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[Grizzly]

I find it disheartening that people are making disparaging comments about How a company chooses to test and release products. Almost as if they feel slighted in some way shape or form. Why not just be excited once it is released to the public, Appreciative that due diligence was done with testing And grateful for what is going to be a game changer as many have stated???

Signed me confused....


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We'll see how big of a "game changer" it is.

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

We'll see how big of a "game changer" it is.

Regardless of it's capability I find the comments a bit odd. Its almost like some feel Megs somehow owes people something... Just find it strange and puzzling is all.


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[C. Charles Hahn]

Regardless of it's capability I find the comments a bit odd. Its almost like some feel Megs somehow owes people something... Just find it strange and puzzling is all.

Not really. It's more of an issue that people are frustrated with Meguiars for not recognizing how this method of marketing/releasing/distributing a new product can seriously backfire.

People get so tired of hearing about how this great new innovation is going to change the game and be seriously awesome/etc. while not getting any details about it whatsoever nor any news as to when the product will be released that they stop paying attention or no longer care about trying it when it does finally appear.

 

[neuralfraud]

May I be the first to point out the parallels between this thread (and threads like it) and the speculative threads/blog posts on *any* APPLE product release? The commonalities are uncanny!

It seems to me Meguiar's has built the type of deathly loyal cult-like fan base that is absolutely rabid. Whenever any scraps of new product info come to light, the fans lose all self control and devour the information, pleading for more. That type of fan base doesn't just pop out of nowhere.

When the information stops, the reality train comes in - in the form of people pointing out how crazy everyone has become over *speculation* and secondly, that the level of hype that has been generated can no longer be surpassed by the final product release; it will be a let down because it will work very good, but no one's grandmother's cancer is going to magically disappear, and then everyone will curse Barry Meguiar's name until they give everyone either a partial refund or free Ultimate Wipe towels.

But the fans will STRIKE BACK and defend much like the noble Black Knight, refusing to acknowledge defeat at all cost!

Truly impressive to witness.

</sarcarsm>

But seriously though, it is fascinating to say the least; they've done an incredible job of building hype, or rather the testers have.

There, I said it. It's all your fault, testers. You're the evil ones here.

For if none of you would have ever even acknowledged having even been TOLD about the product, people would just go on with their lives.

Now go sit in the corner for 15 minutes and think about what you've done!

:applause:

 

[Kurt_s]

I find it disheartening that people are making disparaging comments about How a company chooses to test and release products. Almost as if they feel slighted in some way shape or form. Why not just be excited once it is released to the public, Appreciative that due diligence was done with testing And grateful for what is going to be a game changer as many have stated???

Signed me confused....


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+1

I think it outstanding that they put the prerelease products into detailers hands for testing. It will be cool to see how the products perform once released.

 

[Jason Rose]

Meguiars does not practice the principle of not releasing a product untill the bugs are worked out. If this was the case, there wouldn't be millions of bottles of Hot Shine on store shelves with faulty sprayer heads being sold to customers all over this Country. This is a problem that they are very well aware of, but instead of yanking them from the shelves, they choose to jam their client base with a product that they know is worthless.

All this testing you speak of should've already been done way ahead of them anouncing this "New System". All they have done at this point is make themselves look bad and piss their client base off with all this BS hype

Furthermore, if you have used this system on any and all DA's, and have gotten such tremendous results, then whats the hold up

Regards,

Heart Broken Teenage Girl

Your absolutely right. We (Meguiar's) started talking about it too early. Sincere apology. Sorry for any frustration we may have caused.

I know it's difficult from your perspective to understand. But there are good reasons for the way it rolled out. I'm not going to go into those reasons. But, in our view, they were good reasons.

I don't like reading that we pissed off our client base...anyone really. The bases for all the hard work we've done on this system is to make detailers happy. I don't think we have falsely built up hype. I don't think we can create hype. Hype comes from you. What I see is a lot of excitement and anticipation for something. That's hype. We have that internally also...so we jumped out too early with our annoucement in November.

But don't want to minimize your frustration. I truly hear that, and feel that. I wish it would have rolled out differently myself.
Jason

 

[RaskyR1]

I think now that we are able to post our results/finding people will see that it does live up to the "Hype" and then some. :xyxthumbs:


I'm still waiting for Joe, Nick and a few others to post their reviews! Im the MAN

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I think now that we are able to post our results/finding people will see that it does live up to the "Hype" and then some. :xyxthumbs:

As one of the more vocal frustrated members at the way things have gone down I have to say, I'm definitely impressed with what I'm reading and watching so far. Once I get my hands on the system myself I'll have to see just how much crow I have to eat :dblthumb2: