Which $29 carnuba best?

[jpegs13]

Are some of you brain dead? The OP clearly states that she will be using Klasse for sealing. She wants to top with a wax for SHINE. Carnaubas are not durable, generally speaking, so pick the one with the best shine.

Running for President I see. WOW. How to win friends and influence people. Perhaps a better choice of words next time.

 

[mbkite]

Running for President I see. WOW.

Hows that hoax and change working out for you..
couldnt resist.

My vote Max Wax..

 

[wytstang]

It's hoax and chains and 07 z-oh-6 way to douche up the thread.

 

[Matt]

Are some of you brain dead? The OP clearly states that she will be using Klasse for sealing. She wants to top with a wax for SHINE. Carnaubas are not durable, generally speaking, so pick the one with the best shine.

How lovely!




+1 for the Collinite.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I am thinking of buying the klasse twins for cleaning and sealing because of recommendations here. I would like to cover with a carnuba to make it shine.

Which is the best and easiest to use of the $29 carnubas? I will be hand waxing

Max Wax
Pinnacle XMT 180 high gloss carnuba
Collinite 915
Megs Gold Class
Megs 26
Mothers Carnuba
Natty's

As others have already said, if you do the prep work correctly, any of the above products are going clear a clear shiny surface as they're all good products. I don't like to make wax recommendations because it backs you into a canyon so to speak so I prefer to stick with my Sig Line recommendation. Problem is if you haven't tried any of the above then you don't know if you like it.

Solution? Purchase the one that interests you the most as they are all quality products. Then down the road, maybe try one of the other products. Kind of like how women buy shoes, one pair is never enough. Pick one now and test it out, do some more reading and this spring test out a new product, that way you'll find out for yourself what the differences are from real-world experience.

Probably not the best answer but I hope it helsp....

Are some of you brain dead?

At the end of a long day of typing I resemble that description.

Hey everyone, 07 z-oh-6 is a good guy, I've spoken over the phone with him about car detailing and interacted quite a bit with him on the forum, sometimes something you post can read differently than what a member meant, so how about some good old fashioned friendliness and leniency and don't take anything personal as I'm sure it wasn't meant that way.


Thanks!

:xyxthumbs: rops: :dblthumb2:

:thankyousign:

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

At the end of a long day of typing I resemble that description.

Hey everyone, 07 z-oh-6 is a good guy, I've spoken over the phone with him about car detailing and interacted quite a bit with him on the forum, sometimes something you post can read differently than what a member meant, so how about some good old fashioned friendliness and leniency and don't take anything personal as I'm sure it wasn't meant that way.


Thanks!

:xyxthumbs: rops: :dblthumb2:

:thankyousign:

Thanks Mike. :xyxthumbs:

My apologies to everyone, I don't know what I was thinking when I said that. Maybe I'm the brain dead one? This a great forum with good information, and I don't want to be on anyone's bad side. Happy Holidays.

 

[DARK HORSE]

Thanks Mike. :xyxthumbs:

My apologies to everyone, I don't know what I was thinking when I said that. Maybe I'm the brain dead one? This a great forum with good information, and I don't want to be on anyone's bad side. Happy Holidays.

:applause::goodjob2: rops: Happiest of Holidays to you and yours as well!

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Ouch! you're being a little hard on the Beaver aren't you Ward? ( quote from the show..Leave it to Beaver)......lol

I went back an edited my post. I shouldn't have said that. I apologized a few posts above. :buffing:

 

[jpegs13]

I went back an edited my post. I shouldn't have said that. Take a look a few posts above. :buffing:

Since "tis the season" All is forgiven. We all make mistakes. :grouphug:

 

[DARK HORSE]

The OP clearly states that she will be using Klasse for sealing. She wants to top with a wax for SHINE. Carnaubas are not durable, generally speaking, so pick the one with the best shine.

I would like to start by saying that I advocate "Doing prep work properly prior to any LSP" (That is final results are achieved with 90% prep and maybe 10% LSP). Although I am not a big fan of topping sealants with nubba's (I generally use one or the other). I feel that (in my opinion) using a sealant underneath a carnauba inhibits the optimum shine. To me it's kind of like wrapping my car in Saran Wrap and then waxing over it (just my personal opinion). I use a quality sealant on my DD's and a boutique carnauba wax on my garage queen. That being said I definitely agree with you that nubba's are not as durable (protection/long lasting). However I must ask the question; aren't ther two factors to consider when speaking of durability?
1) Protection (how long is it going to last?)
2) Shine (how long is it going to last?)

In my opinion a carnauba's durability factor is reduced by its inability to remain bonded to the paint (or) sealant. Every time something comes in contact with the finish, rather it is rain, or while QD'ing, washing, etc. a microscopic amount of wax is removed. Therefore even if she is going to top the sealant with a wax in hopes of producing more shine, wouldn't it also be relevant as to how long the shine will last. To me it's irrelevant because I wax every few weeks, but she may only want to wax every few months. (Just my thoughts, thanks for listening).

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

In my opinion a carnauba's durability factor is reduced by its inability to remain bonded to the paint (or) sealant.

This is the way I think, that's why I only put *one* coat of anything, whether it be a sealant or a wax. Only the first coat can truly bond to the paint. So, wouldn't putting more than one coat of anything be worthless? Can a sealant bond to a sealant, wax bond to a wax, or combining them both? I know this has been brought up many times, but I've never got a clear cut answer.

 

[wytstang]

A second coat is done to ensure full coverage, there is a good chance you miss a spot so a second coat increases the chance of full coverage. Thats the way I see it.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I've never seen a coating or wax slip off a car and pile up on the ground surrounding the car. Whether it was applied to the paint or a sealant previously applied to the paint.

My friend Mosca said that a number of years ago when the issue of one product bonding over the other product came up and I though it was fairly descriptive and accurately reflected what I've seen in my life.

There was time before discussion forums where I layered waxes as a normal procedure when detailing cars, back then no one called it layering because conversations were restricted to two or three people talking in a garage, not thousands of people dissecting every subtle nuance of a topic in a cyber garage, a discussion forum like this one.

After buffing out a car I would apply M20 Polymer Sealant, this would seal the surface and make the surface incredibly slick. (reduce future potential for toweling marks). Then I would apply M16 Professional Paste wax, this would be a thin coat and I would let it dry for an hour, then carefully remove.

Never seen an instance where the M16 didn't stick to the paint with the M20 previously applied.

I know it's fun to discuss thing in great detail but at some point it's also easy to over-complicate something that is actually quite simple. That is actually the norm for forums, the challenge is to resit getting caught up in it and bring the conversation back to real world principals.

Reminds me of the recent conversations about the OPM ranges on the current dual action polishers as an example of discussing topics in great detail. In the real world it doesn't matter at all what the OPM range of dual action polisher is because to remove swirls you're going to put the polisher on the 5.0 to 6.0 speed setting, to apply a wax or paint sealant you're gong to use a slower setting like the 3.0 to 4.0 speed setting.

Both removing swirls and applying a wax or paint sealant can be done using a Porter Cable 7424XP, a Griot's Garage ROP or a Meguiar's G110v2 by a first-timer to machine cleaning and polishing and they could potentially never know what the OPM for the tool and the different settings are while using the tool.

It might be nice to know all about the technical aspects of the tool for your head knowledge, like the OPM scale, but in the real world you're going to go out into your garage and use either a high speed or a medium speed to get the job done.

 

[jpegs13]

There was time before discussion forums where I layered waxes as a normal procedure when detailing cars, back then no one called it layering because conversations were restricted to two or three people talking in a garage, not thousands of people dissecting every subtle nuance of a topic in a cyber garage, a discussion forum like this one,

Sorry Mike, had to:

 

[Jenn1270]

Thanks for all the replies. I will just play around with things until I find what I like. I do like the idea of a sealant that lasts several months.

Jenn

 

[CakeDaddy]

Thanks for all the replies. I will just play around with things until I find what I like. I do like the idea of a sealant that lasts several months.

Jenn

Did you mention the color of the vehicle or did I miss that

 

[A4 1.8tqm]

Thanks for all the replies. I will just play around with things until I find what I like. I do like the idea of a sealant that lasts several months.

Jenn

Did you make a decision, sounds like your back at square one...? I say Max Wax layered over Klasse twins or Wolfgang DGPS and you'll love it, then try more stuff in the (near) future. :xyxthumbs:

As has been said before it's the prep work (polishing) that will give the results, wax is icing on the cake. What was that pigs ear quote from another thread? LOL

 

[Jenn1270]

It is a 2006 honda pilot that is steel blue metallic.

All you information has been great. I appreciate everyone taking time to help us newbies.

Jenn

 

[02CAMSS]

Finishkare Pink wax smells like heck but looks great you should consider it and if not then Max Wax all the way.

 

[SportEL]

I think Collinite 915 paste wax would be a good choice for durability that lasts months and I've read it has the best look out of 845 and 476. It's one I'd like to try.