Which coatings dont care if they are topped?

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I have a customer that wants a correction and coating on his 1 year old truck. He likes the cleanability of a coating but loves to wax his car monthly. What coatings "dont mind" being topped? The previous owner of his wifes benz had it coated and he loves how clean the car stays and easy it is to wash. I searched the forum and found many reviews but no such info on which coatings can be topped with out harming the coating.

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Any coating can be top unless the instruction stated not to :D
I had good experience with sonax PNS top with BSD and the self cleaning properties is more than excellent of all coatings I tried.
 
Once he tops the coating with a wax...he can forget about the car staying cleaner. Wax attracts everything. Coatings repel. Waxing over the coating is working against yourself, but hey, if that's what he wants.

DP coating supposedly can be topped with any wax. Pinnacle black label can be topped with synergy.
 
He is a retired guy who is a little old school when it comes to wax. I explained that the coating would be sufficient protection and waxing will not be necessary. He then asked "but what will protect the coating then"? I kind of get it, its what he does. Its my job to choose the right product to apply to his truck.
 
Krwtek1 said:
He is a retired guy who is a little old school when it comes to wax. I explained that the coating would be sufficient protection and waxing will not be necessary. He then asked "but what will protect the coating then"? I kind of get it, its what he does. Its my job to choose the right product to apply to his truck.
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To Whom it may concern:
The following biased opinion is from a:
Superannuate's point-of-view.
__________________________________________

•Short Answer Package:
-Yes...Once ("true") Coatings have totally cured, Finishing Waxes can be applied over them without causing damage to the Coatings.
-No Cleaner-Waxes.


•Long Answer Package:
-Includes everything in the Short Answer Package, plus
-The following:

However...
•By now, everyone that deals in Coatings, young or old, should know this:
-Layering-Waxes-over-Coatings-Practice is pointless in that
(although ephemeral) it does change the behavior of the different contaminates and water(s) that land upon vehicle' surfaces until the Waxes have been degraded.
-Coatings do stay cleaner if Waxes (and Sealants, as far as that goes) are left out of the equation.


BTW:
•Does anyone, including Detailers-by-trade,
still "layer" Waxes over Sealants?

-If so: Isn't that old-school?
-If not: What's going to protect the Sealant then?
-Ad infinitum; ad nauseum.


Bob
 
Maybe the old school dude can be converted.. If you use a coating like CQUK that has a coating specific treatment (Use CarPro Reload) maybe you can sell him on using Reload 1x a month instead of traditional wax. This way he can still apply something, yet it won't interfere with the coating.
 
I just recently started coating cars in my shop and really love the look.
The shine is like no other.
Slick.
Very easy to wash the car once it's coated.

That being said I'll miss sealing/waxing my car but knowing the coating will last up to two years is a good thing being I don't have time to maintain my cars as I did before starting my full time shop.

I'm curious , would applying a glaze cause the coating not to be "Self Cleaning" as a was would?
 
Ebg18t said:
Maybe the old school dude can be converted.. If you use a coating like CQUK that has a coating specific treatment (Use CarPro Reload) maybe you can sell him on using Reload 1x a month instead of traditional wax. This way he can still apply something, yet it won't interfere with the coating.
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•Isn't CarPro's Reload marketed as a Spray Sealant?

•Are you then saying that:
This particular Sealant (Reload)...out of all the other
Sealants that are out there in today's marketplace...is:
THE ONE that won't interfere with a Coating?
Won't change a Coating's characteristics?


•Are you also saying that:
-Applying Waxes over Coatings is what old school dudes
need to be converted from doing. Being that it's:
Nearly sinful in its scope. :eek:

-Yet...Applying Sealants over Coatings is not condemnable?



Bob
 
Krwtek1 said:
He is a retired guy who is a little old school when it comes to wax. I explained that the coating would be sufficient protection and waxing will not be necessary. He then asked "but what will protect the coating then"? I kind of get it, its what he does. Its my job to choose the right product to apply to his truck.
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I would suggest to sell him a second layer coat to protect the 1st coat lol :p
 

I have not found a coating yet that has "cared" if it was topped. They have all been quite and gone along with the plan. None of them have yelled at me yet.

But topping a coating with a wax does go against the point of the coating other then the suggest protection it adds. But I belive most of the added protection really comes for the dirt shedding properties the coatings provides. So a wax will cover it up and negate it.

Sounds like your best suggestion is a sealant and wax combo. The coating isn't going to do him any good if he is going to keep touching it.

 
FUNX725 said:
•Isn't CarPro's Reload marketed as a Spray Sealant?

•Are you then saying that:
This particular Sealant (Reload)...out of all the other
Sealants that are out there in today's marketplace...is:
THE ONE that won't interfere with a Coating?
Won't change a Coating's characteristics?


•Are you also saying that:
-Applying Waxes over Coatings is what old school dudes
need to be converted from doing. Being that it's:
Nearly sinful in its scope. :eek:

-Yet...Applying Sealants over Coatings is not condemnable?



Bob
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Bob - I am just saying the CarPro has Reload which is a compatible Brother to CQUK.. I think you extrapolated a bit too far from what I said.
 
Ebg18t said:
Bob - I am just saying the CarPro has Reload which is a compatible Brother to CQUK.. I think you extrapolated a bit too far from what I said.
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Reload...a Sealant...is a compatible Brother to CQUK?

:wow: ...Talk about extrapolating!!


Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
Reload...a Sealant...is a compatible Brother to CQUK?

:wow: ...Talk about extrapolating!!


Bob
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I wouldn't say I was extrapolating. CarPro indicates to use it as a Topper for CQuartz..

From CarPros website: CarPro Reload 100ml (V.2015) - www.CarPro-US.com

CarPro Reload (V. 2015) 4oz (100ml)
This is not your Fathers spray wax.... Unlike the others on the market which are organic wax or solvent based polymer sealant sprays Reload is an inorganic water-based formula composed from specially modified Silica (Sio2), glass nano components (5% total concentration). Reload is the most cost effective inorganic spray sealant on the market at a fraction the cost of its closest competitor. Reload offers a slick super hydrophobic layer which repels water like no other. Coupled with its ability to repel dirt & grime this leaves a stunning, glossy, and highly reflective shine. Very easy to use and ideal for enthusiasts and professionals alike. Once applied Reload makes washing the car easier and faster. You will also find the drying is no longer a chore as Reload leaves less water on the surfaces.

Features:

Water-based formula mainly composed from special modified Silica (Sio2), glass based coating. 5% Total concentration.
Fast and Easy: Even adding it to your washing routine during the drying process doesn't add much time to the wash.
Approximately 1 ounce is enough to top the average vehicle
An excellent topper for Cquartz as it enhances the lotus affect, adds slickness, and stays clean longer and easier unlike traditional organic sealants & carnauba waxes.
Versatile and can be applied to a wet or dry surface.
Alone, in conjunction with CQuartz, or over the top of other permanent coatings
Does not stain trim: Can be used on Paint, Rubber, Plastic, and Glass with great sheeting affect
Repels rain & grime
Super Hydrophobic
 
Ebg18t said:
I wouldn't say I was extrapolating. CarPro indicates to use it as a Topper for CQuartz..

From CarPros website: CarPro Reload 100ml (V.2015) - www.CarPro-US.com

CarPro Reload (V. 2015) 4oz (100ml)
This is not your Fathers spray wax.... Unlike the others on the market which are organic wax or solvent based polymer sealant sprays Reload is an inorganic water-based formula composed from specially modified Silica (Sio2), glass nano components (5% total concentration). Reload is the most cost effective inorganic spray sealant on the market at a fraction the cost of its closest competitor. Reload offers a slick super hydrophobic layer which repels water like no other. Coupled with its ability to repel dirt & grime this leaves a stunning, glossy, and highly reflective shine. Very easy to use and ideal for enthusiasts and professionals alike. Once applied Reload makes washing the car easier and faster. You will also find the drying is no longer a chore as Reload leaves less water on the surfaces.

Features:

Water-based formula mainly composed from special modified Silica (Sio2), glass based coating. 5% Total concentration.
Fast and Easy: Even adding it to your washing routine during the drying process doesn't add much time to the wash.
Approximately 1 ounce is enough to top the average vehicle
An excellent topper for Cquartz as it enhances the lotus affect, adds slickness, and stays clean longer and easier unlike traditional organic sealants & carnauba waxes.
Versatile and can be applied to a wet or dry surface.
Alone, in conjunction with CQuartz, or over the top of other permanent coatings
Does not stain trim: Can be used on Paint, Rubber, Plastic, and Glass with great sheeting affect
Repels rain & grime
Super Hydrophobic
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Bob
 
this is wacky to me on so many levels, haha.

poor guy. one thing i hope he does learn from you is proper washing techniques. i'd much rather see him invest the time washing properly than spending time and money possibly nullifying the coating he just paid for lol
 
OP - As you can see this is a hot topic around here. Some will say everything is just marketing; some consistently challenge the manufacturers claims. Some just use the stuff and move on. Some beleive the manufacturers. Unfortunately I doubt you are no closer to you answer.
 
Ebg18t said:
OP - As you can see this is a hot topic around here. Some will say everything is just marketing; some consistently challenge the manufacturers claims. Some just use the stuff and move on. Some beleive the manufacturers. Unfortunately I doubt you are no closer to you answer.
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in light of this post, i re-read the OP's question.

if it were me, i'd explain why this is not a great idea. but, if he absolutely needs something to do, if it's CQUK, i'd offer him Reload. if it's Gloss-Coat, i'd offer him Opti-Seal. i'm sure there are others out there that have compatible "toppers". Reload is a lot more work than Opti-Seal, but it also might actually help CQUK more than Opti-Seal will with Gloss-Coat. thus, being more rewarding for him. again, this is approaching it from his distorted list of needs lol.

but like i said, first and foremost would be good washing habits. the time required to wash properly might nullify his need to waste time topping the coating. and the cleaned coating might offer such great performance that he will eventually get out of this habit.
 
If he is adamant about waxing the car once a month there is no point in installing a coating.
 
FUNX725 said:
•Isn't CarPro's Reload marketed as a Spray Sealant?

•Are you then saying that:
This particular Sealant (Reload)...out of all the other
Sealants that are out there in today's marketplace...is:
THE ONE that won't interfere with a Coating?
Won't change a Coating's characteristics?


•Are you also saying that:
-Applying Waxes over Coatings is what old school dudes
need to be converted from doing. Being that it's:
Nearly sinful in its scope. :eek:

-Yet...Applying Sealants over Coatings is not condemnable?



Bob
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Reload is a sealant , stand alone product,
its used inorganic materials that attract much less dust then oily based waxes.
we advise using this after cquk applied to protect it from water spotting at the first 7 days ,
it will not interfere the coating, only become sacrificial topper if its rained or got water spots.

we do advise to use it regularly since it got great gloss and smoothness once applied. not to mention the self cleaning effect.

using wax on top of cquk is possible, if customer wish to, but surface will attract dust and wax wont last long over the car surface.
HTH
 
What about synergy, that's supposedly a coating hybrid with carnuba wax built in. Would you top that with something like echo2 or a carnuba spray wax, or either one
 
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