Which waterless wash?

Supergus1 said:
Thank ya, Bob!
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^^^"Ja wohl Herr Supergus1"^^^



Setting aside dilution ratios for the moment:

Q.1
Is there any "rinsing" involved when I perform either
a Rinseless-Wash (RW), or a Waterless-Wash (WW)?
A: No

Q.2:
a) Is there anyone who still actually performs a true RW/WW?
b) Or, rather: a host of RW/WW variations...(so-called "hybrid-washes").
A: (2a) Probably Not; (2b) Probably Yes


What's in a name?
•Meguiar's happened to name D114:
"Rinse Free Express Wash";
and, D115:
"Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax"


•As such; and, since I personally do not rinse whenever I use RW/WW products:
-I tend to focus specifically on the "Express Wash", and "Express Wash & Wax" wording, in D114's/D115's names-on-the-label.


Bob
 
Is there any tips to prevent marring/scratching while using rinseless/waterless wash besides using a premium microfiber towel? Feed back please
 
Really surprised ONR isn't mentioned more here. Btw...like some have mentioned WW is almost entirely made up of....WATER. marring WILL occur with these waterless washes. ONR ###....research the ####, its legit and there is a reason the top dawgs on the world are using it.
 
The Enforcer said:
Really surprised ONR isn't mentioned more here. Btw...like some have mentioned WW is almost entirely made up of....WATER. marring WILL occur with these waterless washes. ONR ###....research the ####, its legit and there is a reason the top dawgs on the world are using it.
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IMO:
Your analogy doesn't hold water. :)


Using your analogy, then:
Wouldn't Rinseless-Washes, that contain even more water/are diluted even more than Waterless-Washes...also cause marring---way more marring?!?!


Bob
 
Not ONR! I know from experience. This picture here was taken 6 months after I corrected/Opticoated my car. I use only ONR on it, and have done so probably 7-8 times now. Still crystal clear and no signs or marring or swirling. Presoaked, let dwell a few seconds, and go to town lightly with ONR. One bucket with grit guard, and roatate a few towels around. No rinse bucket, as this could dilute the ONR away from the recommended 256:1 ratio. This is how the epxerts and pros directly from Optimum recommend to use it.



I understand theres more than one way to do things, but this is my go-to. Also, if you have ONR left after your wash...you can store it int he bucket for use a week, month, etc later...I also imagine you could use ONR with the Garry Dean method, but the reps from OPT say this is 100% unnecessary and overkill. Surprisingly...
 
@The Enforcer

So...going back to your original analogy;
and using proper techniques...
Are you saying that:

ONR @256:1 = RW = no marring will occur
But...
ONR @16:1 = WW = marring will occur

:confused:

Bob
 
I have seen quite a few claims about lack of marring using rinseless and waterless methods, but I have never seen a real test with real high quality photos taken in the Sun

Not saying some are not getting good results, but a car that only requires cleaning 7-8 times in 6 months is probably not the best demonstration of RW/WW results


I have tried every wash method mentioned in the Forum to try and avoid wash induced marring on a black SUV. I maintain any claims of 100% marring free cleaning are exaggerated, regardless of the method

Just my experience
 
allenk4 said:
I have seen quite a few claims about lack of marring using rinseless and waterless methods, but I have never seen a real test with real high quality photos taken in the Sun

Not saying some are not getting good results, but a car that only requires cleaning 7-8 times in 6 months is probably not the best demonstration of RW/WW results


I have tried every wash method mentioned in the Forum to try and avoid wash induced marring on a black SUV. I maintain any claims of 100% marring free cleaning are exaggerated, regardless of the method

Just my experience
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I must agree about black, it's just maddening. But I will say the damage is very superficial, with proper washing technique, and easily buffed away once or twice a year.
 
So after reading
Waterless wash is a product you spray on and wipe off.
No Rinse is a product you spray on and wipe off.
Both have water
Any time you wash you auto you will do some kind of paint damage, how bad depends on your technique.
I still don't understand No Rinse and Waterless, people on here say theirs a difference and yet no one will explain what it is.
We all do this because of the passion, helpfull input can make us all better in what we do.
 
Tom E IL said:
So after reading
Waterless wash is a product you spray on and wipe off.
No Rinse is a product you spray on and wipe off.
Both have water
Any time you wash you auto you will do some kind of paint damage, how bad depends on your technique.
I still don't understand No Rinse and Waterless, people on here say theirs a difference and yet no one will explain what it is.
We all do this because of the passion, helpfull input can make us all better in what we do.
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I've mentioned before that, more and more, the use of hybrid methods to wash vehicles is becoming the "norm". Hybrid methods such as:
Going to a self-service car wash facilities to pre-rinse, and other wand-functions, prior to RW/WW; pre-soaking with WW, then RW; power washing at home prior to RW/WW---the possibilities are endless.

Anyways:
Here's a Mike Phillips article that is, IMO, a concise tutorial on the various types/methods of car washing:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...r-wash-rinseless-car-wash-spray-detailer.html

Hope this helps.


Bob
 
Tom E IL said:
I still don't understand No Rinse and Waterless, people on here say theirs a difference and yet no one will explain what it is.
We all do this because of the passion, helpfull input can make us all better in what we do.
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wut

builthatch said:
as far as process,

waterless wash - you use a sprayer and towel(s)

rinseless washes - you use a bucket and wash media and towel

as far as products,

i only know (meaning use) one line of products regarding both waterless and rinseless. waterless there means that it has a massive amount of the special magic polymers but won't easily streak. the rinseless item is apparently more dependent on water for the polymers to work and the concentration of magic bits isn't nearly as high...and if it's too high, it streaks...
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