Which wax to make flake pop and add depth!!

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So I recently applied SON1C Protowax 93 to my car and love the depth it added, and way it made the flake pop. But as this wax is only a prototype I may not be able to get more of it. Looking for suggestions on what waxes you guys would use? For some reason I keep looking at the wet ice over fire kit. But I am wide open to any ideas you have.



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I, too, was once pleased with a particular SON1C prototype-wax.
Not too long afterwards: CARNAUBAVORE WAX came to fruition.

In the interim I was not dismayed, and turned my eyes towards the LSP that has never disappointed me with it's "Best In Class" D.O.I.: Meguiar's M26!

I will not discourage you, or anyone else for that matter, in using M26 now; until "93's" incarnation has occurred; or even after its advent.

IMHO: M26...Good Stuff!!

Bob
 
EVOlved said:
So I recently applied SON1C Protowax 93 to my car and love the depth it added, and way it made the flake pop. But as this wax is only a prototype I may not be able to get more of it. Looking for suggestions on what waxes you guys would use? For some reason I keep looking at the wet ice over fire kit. But I am wide open to any ideas you have.



Pinnacle SSii wax is awesome for flake. Also WG Fuzion really makes flake pop. Personally I feel Pinnacle one is better but that's just me. Good luck on your search

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I have a 09 ram in metallic black I've tried a bunch of different products and my favorite is Chemical Guys Backlight topped with collinite. It took me a while to jump on the collinite bandwagon but I'm so glad I did.

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I use the BF kit.. But I'm of the belief that proper polishing will give you the look and all the toppers are just to preserve.


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I like keeping it simple and Ive learned so much here so that said I have no experience with the waxes you speak of but what I do to acheive max shine and wetness is prep prep prep and polish polish polish that's where your "shine" comes from as Ive learned imo
 
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FUNX725 said:
I, too, was once pleased with a particular SON1C prototype-wax.
Not too long afterwards: CARNAUBAVORE WAX came to fruition.

In the interim I was not dismayed, and turned my eyes towards the LSP that has never disappointed me with it's "Best In Class" D.O.I.: Meguiar's M26!

I will not discourage you, or anyone else for that matter, in using M26 now; until "93's" incarnation has occurred; or even after its advent.

IMHO: M26...Good Stuff!!

Bob
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I feel accomplished in life now I got a real response out of Bob!! Thank you Bob. I may have to check it out, how is the longevity of it?

I use the BF kit.. But I'm of the belief that proper polishing will give you the look and all the toppers are just to preserve.


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I understand all that, just with this wax vs. my previous LSP I notice much more life in the paint and I didn't even repolish ;).
 
I did some searching regarding this myself a while back. My car is black with metal flake and I was looking into waxes for black cars, but most of the waxes I was interested in seemed to mute the flakes according to other users. After some more searching and abandoning black waxes, I found Pinnacle Signature Series II wax was getting a lot of comments and high regards for making metal flake pop so I grabbed some during the Black Friday sale last year and love it. I'd like to try Fuzion as well but that one will have to wait for a few years as I'm perfectly happy with how SSII performs and makes my flakes pop.
 
Hmmm...the more different waxes I try, the more I am learning that it has less to do with the wax, and much more to do with what goes into the prep prior to waxing.

Having said that, I love Fuzion. It is such a pleasure to use and no one can argue with the results.

M26 has a pleasant smell, but the last time I used it (which was a while ago) I remember it being a little difficult to remove. WOWO waxes never have that problem.

SSII has also gotten very good reviews on this forum, especially for the money.
 
EVOlved said:
I feel accomplished in life now I got a real response out of Bob!! Thank you Bob.
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Thank you for the kind words, and not gloss-ing over
an example of a shine-ing response!!

Notes:
1.) All of my responses are "real"...

Only the names have been changed:
To protect the innocent. (~Jack Webb ca. 1967)

2.) More on Gloss and Shiny to follow.

TO WIT:
ayankeeman1968 said:
I like keeping it simple and Ive learned so much here so that said I have no experience with the waxes you speak of but what I do to acheive max shine and wetness is prep prep prep and polish polish polish that's where your "shine" comes from as Ive learned imo
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I use the BF kit.. But I'm of the belief that proper polishing will give you the look and all the toppers are just to preserve.
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When it comes to BC/CC paint systems and LSPs...
(Especially: Waxes...for this thread's theme):

-What is Gloss?
Gloss is where light is allowed to pass through a substance/material, so the light illuminates and reflects the substrate.
(Such is the relationship between a "perfected", polished CC, and the BC. The reflected color dazzles the eyes!!)

What is Shine?
-Shine is where the light is reflected before it reaches the substrate. (The reflected light dazzles the eyes!!)

Then:
-What role, if any, does silicones...and their refractive indices have in LSPs?
FWIW:
The refractive index of a certain polydimethylsiloxane-fluid is ~1.4. But with a little molecular modification the refractive index can be increased or decreased.

-What about silicones' abilities and characteristics of:
"wetting", spreading, creating thin self-leveling films, low surface tension, and little internal friction, among others?

Many more variables can be further discussed/debated at later time.

For now:
I won't go as far to say that any given LSP does...or doesn't: add (or subtract) gloss, or shine.

However:
-I will say that, IMHO, LSPs actually do:
"Play With Light"!!

-Isn't it how a person discerns their playful-mood, that is subjective?


Bob
 
I just did NO prep work (other than a wash) on a neglected 09 Equinox and the proto93 made a BIG BIG difference in the "pop" of the flake in the cherry metallic paint. I know polish and prep has some to do with the clarity of the paint but I can tell you with 100% confidence that a wax CAN upgrade the look of a car...it wont last like a polish will but it does change it.

My choice (until after (if) 93 gets released) would be Pinnacle Souveran
 
HD.Detailing said:
I use the BF kit.. But I'm of the belief that proper polishing will give you the look and all the toppers are just to preserve.


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Bingo!! I agree with HD.Detailing, Jaretr1 and yankeeman1968. I believe the prepping stage is the most important. Done right, the shine is already there. Adding a sealant/wax or whatever protection as the LSP will make no difference in the "shininess" of a vehicle. A sealant will keep that shine and IMO that is about it.

However, I believe wax brings the depth and wet look of a vehicle. You can tell the difference. It's hard to explain unless you physically see it. IMO with pictures; you can't tell. At least that is what I experience and that I suck at taking pictures with a camera.

The wax that I use (currently) is Dodo Juice Supernatural Wax. IMO, it is the best wax I have tried so far (and I have tested quite a few). I like trying different waxes for fun. I am going to try Zymol Concourse wax very soon. I need to find the time to strip the car and put the wax on that to compare with Dodo Juice SN.

I am sure all of the waxes mentioned in this thread will do just fine. But if it was me....hands down Dodo Juice Supernatural Wax. Again, my $.02 cents worth. Time will tell if I did the right thing with the Zymol Concourse wax.

Have an awesome day and please tell us which wax you went with and why!!

:buffing: :dblthumb2:
 
dcjredline said:
I just did NO prep work (other than a wash) on a neglected 09 Equinox and the proto93 made a BIG BIG difference in the "pop" of the flake in the cherry metallic paint. I know polish and prep has some to do with the clarity of the paint but I can tell you with 100% confidence that a wax CAN upgrade the look of a car...it wont last like a polish will but it does change it.

My choice (until after (if) 93 gets released) would be Pinnacle Souveran
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Thank you Don good to hear from someone who had the same experience I did with this lovely wax. Have you tried many others??

I think I really need to get Drew to take some money from me if he would ;).
 
Souveran, Megs gold class, collinite 845/476, eagle one nanno, and CG Extreme top coat. None better so far in my opinion. I'm sure there's wax as good out there but like I said I'm not spending $50 on a can unless #93 is released

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Kamakaz1961 said:
Adding a sealant/wax or whatever protection as the LSP will make no difference in the "shininess" of a vehicle. A sealant will keep that shine and IMO that is about it.

However, I believe wax brings the depth and wet look of a vehicle.
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Nope...You are mistaken:
The branch of Physics known as Optics, says otherwise.

Bob
 
Bob you never answered on longevity of 26. And looks like souveran may be out unless I use it as a topper to something like BFWD or WGDGPS. Seeing as from what I've read I would have to apply it with almost every wash since my car is a weathered DD.
 
EVOlved said:
Bob you never answered on longevity of 26. And looks like souveran may be out unless I use it as a topper to something like BFWD or WGDGPS. Seeing as from what I've read I would have to apply it with almost every wash since my car is a weathered DD.
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Durability and Variables:
You know better than me, with what conditions the vehicle that's going to be M26'ed may be confronted.

Like most waxes...4-6 weeks is a likely time period...before M26 may have to be refreshed.

Being that BFWD and WGDGPS are a different type of LSP, altogether, than Waxes:
Are you going in that direction now?

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
Durability and Variables:
You know better than me, with what conditions the vehicle that's going to be M26'ed may be confronted.

Like most waxes...4-6 weeks is a likely time period...before M26 may have to be refreshed.

Being that BFWD and WGDGPS are a different type of LSP, altogether, than Waxes:
Are you going in that direction now?

Bob
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No I was just looking into souveran paste and it seemed the longevity was worst than most and I wouldn't be able to apply that often (especially come winter time). So I figured I could layer that or something else on top of the aforementioned. I guess I'm still best off with a sealant. But just love the look that the SON1C Protowax is giving my car.
 
P.S. I agree with your response as far as optics. I believe what my eyes see and just about every LSP I have tried has changed something with the appearance of a just freshly polished car or not even for that matter.
 
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