Why should I buy Mckee's 37 Total Interior Cleaner instead of Meguiars APC 101?

Thankyou guys for all the Great recommendations.

But, still what I'm looking for is, what is so special about the TIC, that separates it from other products in its category, to justify its price.

I'm sorry for keep bringing this question up. I guess I'll just ask Autogeek themselves to see.


Thankyou for all your help up to this point guys!
 
willowcat11 said:
But, still what I'm looking for is, what is so special about the TIC, that separates it from other products in its category, to justify its price.
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Same as a ton of other products - mostly convenience. You know it's safe, no dilution ratios, no research or testing required. Spray on, wipe off. You are buying the label. That's the value proposition. If you own a $150k car and only have 20 minutes to grab some cleaner before your next golf outing, that's what you buy.

Probably doesn't make as much sense for those of us who are more budget conscious, go through a lot of product, and have also invested the time/money into learning how to utilize generic products.

Meguiar's will sell you a different boutique product (or even multiple) for every surface and every panel if you want. I don't think that necessarily means there is any advantage vs. more standard cleaners we use.
 
VISITOR said:
this seems to be more of an equivalent to d101...

McKee's 37 Hi-Intensity All Purpose Cleaner Plus

Use McKee's 37 Hi-Intensity All Purpose Cleaner Plus to clean virtually any automotive surface! Hi-Intensity All Purpose Cleaner Plus cleans vinyl and plastic interior surfaces, carpet and upholstery, tires, engines, leather, clear and colored plastics, and glass. McKee's 37 Hi-Intensity All Purpose Cleaner Plus can be diluted to tackle any job; one gallon of APC will make up to 11 gallons of ready-to-use all purpose cleaner! McKee's 37 Hi-Intensity All Purpose Cleaner Plus makes it possible to clean every surface with a single product.


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While I love Hi-Intensity APC and believe it to be a much better product than D101, I really wish he'd provide us with an SDS sheet so we could actually verify Nick's statement about M37 APC+ being "non alkaline"

Because companies like 3D and Nextzett make sure all of their SDS sheets are available, I am actually able to confirm their claims when they state their apc is "low alkaline" I've read the SDS sheets for both HD Total and 1z Blitz and they both have a PH of 10 in their concentrated forum, which is extremely low for an APC.

I have a really hard time believing that M37 APC+ actually has a PH of 7 and is completely neutral. I really don't care enough to buy some test strips and test the actual PH of the cleaner myself, but I wish someone would.

Until then, I feel like every time he posts a video he should title it "BOLD CLAIMS, WITH NICK ROEDER"
 
Why should I buy Synergy when I can buy Collinite 915 for >\ $100 less?

Who can answer this question?

Seriously, I have some more as well...

Why should I buy True Religion jeans when I can buy Lee's for $200 less?

Why should I buy Progresso when I can get Campbells for 15¢ less?

Why should I buy a Toyota when I can get a Nissan for $4k less?

Why should I buy a Snap On ratchet when I can get a Matco one for $25 less?

Why should I buy Duracells when I can get store brand alkaline for less?

And if you happen to be curious about the pH of any aqueous product - just buy pH strips off Amazon. You get like a zillion for a few bucks. And, no product is completely "neutral"... even pH 6-8 could be considered "neutral"... Kinda like how 30 mls isn't a fluid ounce - but close enough...

mwoywod said:
While I love Hi-Intensity APC and believe it to be a much better product than D101....

Until then, I feel like every time he posts a video he should title it "BOLD CLAIMS, WITH NICK ROEDER"
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... That's a pretty hardcore thing to say IMHO. Especially since you said you use their product and find it superior to others...
 
Ernie Mccracken said:
Meguiar's will sell you a different
boutique product (or even multiple)
for every surface and every panel
if you want.
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That's pretty neat that you placed
Meguiar's into the realm of boutique
products; I don't see that being done
too often.


Bob
 
mwoywod said:
I really don't care enough to buy some test strips and test the actual PH of the cleaner myself, but I wish someone would.
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I'll do it... I have M37 APC(which I love) and some testing strips. Try to have it for you later. I think I tested it a while back and found that it was pretty neutral IIRC
 
Heisenberg said:
I'll do it... I have M37 APC(which I love) and some testing strips. Try to have it for you later. I think I tested it a while back and found that it was pretty neutral IIRC
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Please do!


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mwoywod said:
Until then, I feel like every time he posts a video he should title it "BOLD CLAIMS, WITH NICK ROEDER"
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Nick (Rutter) is a pretty honest guy and i don't believe his claims are "bold". he obviously has had a huge involvement in the developing process of mckee's 37 products and knows what's in them and what they are capable of accomplishing...
 
If you are a pro and use alot of interior cleaner, Hi-Intensity APC is the way to go!

I used it for almost everything on a 1965 Corvette I did a few weeks ago. If anyone is interested here is the full write up: https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/mckee-s-37/110237-scuff-n-buff-1965-corvette.html



I used it to clean the convertible top.

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I used it to clean the seats, and side panels. 50/50 off driver and passenger seat.
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Used APC to clean the wheels/tires.
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Lifted all the dirt off the tire.
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Agitating the wheels.
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I did a rinseless/waterless wash on the Corvette, So I used a microfiber towel to remove the dirt off the tire.
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Before
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After
(dressed with Gloss Tire Gel)
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Hi-Intensity is a good value, And has excellent performance. Best of all it has a very mild smell, that does not make you cough.
 
willowcat11 said:
A Gallon of Mckee's 37 Total Interior Cleaner is more than Double the cost of Meguiars APC 101.

Mckee's 37- $42 Gallon
Meguiars D101- $20 Gallon

Now. I am all for spending more than Double on a product over another, "IF", I am getting more than Double the added benefits over the cheaper product.

I am asking this next question in a very sincere and honest way, because I truly DO want to know. And then if I am convinced, I Certainly will buy the Mckee's!

So, please convince me, Why should I buy the Mckee's 37 Total Interior Cleaner at $42 a gallon, over a gallon of Meguiars D101, which is more than half the cost less?
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Great question...

Not all "cleaners" (ie: surfactants, emulsifiers, detergents, etc) are created equal. The more you refine something (ie: cleaners, solvents, etc), the higher quality the final product. Mist Total Interior Cleaner on one hand, and your favorite APC (diluted accordingly) on the other, then wipe it off. One hand will feel noticeably dryer than the other. Now think about it on interior surfaces (specifically leather). That's not even going into fragrance (most APC's tend to be harsh, where Total Interior Cleaner smells very pleasant).

There's no doubt an APC is the best choice for a professional detailer, for versatility and cost.

If you detail for a living, pick up a gallon of Hi-Intensity APC Plus. If you detail your own car, pick up a gallon of Total Interior Cleaner.

If you haven't tried Hi-Intensity APC yet, I would be more than happy to send you a sample to evaluate. We spent a lot of time testing at various dilution ratios to ensure it is the perfect compromise between safety, cost, and versatility.

mwoywod said:
While I love Hi-Intensity APC and believe it to be a much better product than D101, I really wish he'd provide us with an SDS sheet so we could actually verify Nick's statement about M37 APC+ being "non alkaline"

Because companies like 3D and Nextzett make sure all of their SDS sheets are available, I am actually able to confirm their claims when they state their apc is "low alkaline" I've read the SDS sheets for both HD Total and 1z Blitz and they both have a PH of 10 in their concentrated forum, which is extremely low for an APC.

I have a really hard time believing that M37 APC+ actually has a PH of 7 and is completely neutral. I really don't care enough to buy some test strips and test the actual PH of the cleaner myself, but I wish someone would.

Until then, I feel like every time he posts a video he should title it "BOLD CLAIMS, WITH NICK ROEDER"
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Thanks for the continued support. I'm thrilled to hear that Hi-Intensity APC Plus is your go-to all purpose cleaner.

-Nick Rutter:dblthumb2:
 
My bad, I only had the DP version of High-Intensity Plus. I thought I ordered the McKee's stuff to try.

Anyway, here's a the measurement using the concentrate:
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It's dark blue. Don't really know/care what it means in the context of chemistry - it works for me and that's kind of all that matters. I don't know(or think) if it's as simple as "here's the PH level, it's alkaline!" so someone with more knowledge on the subject can feel free to correct me. I just said I'd do this litmus test; not trying to stir the pot or anything
 
swanicyouth said:
Why should I buy Synergy when I can buy Collinite 915 for >\ $100 less?

Who can answer this question?

Seriously, I have some more as well...



Why should I buy True Religion jeans when I can buy Lee's for $200 less?

Why should I buy Progresso when I can get Campbells for 15¢ less?

Why should I buy a Toyota when I can get a Nissan for $4k less?

Why should I buy a Snap On ratchet when I can get a Matco one for $25 less?

Why should I buy Duracells when I can get store brand alkaline for less?

And if you happen to be curious about the pH of any aqueous product - just buy pH strips off Amazon. You get like a zillion for a few bucks. And, no product is completely "neutral"... even pH 6-8 could be considered "neutral"... Kinda like how 30 mls isn't a fluid ounce - but close enough...



... That's a pretty hardcore thing to say IMHO. Especially since you said you use their product and find it superior to others...
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Not sure what kind of a point you were trying to make there, but it seems pretty far off of what I was trying to ask.
 
swanicyouth said:
Why should I buy Synergy when I can buy Collinite 915 for >\ $100 less?

Who can answer this question?

Seriously, I have some more as well...

Why should I buy True Religion jeans when I can buy Lee's for $200 less?

Why should I buy Progresso when I can get Campbells for 15¢ less?

Why should I buy a Toyota when I can get a Nissan for $4k less?

Why should I buy a Snap On ratchet when I can get a Matco one for $25 less?

Why should I buy Duracells when I can get store brand alkaline for less?

And if you happen to be curious about the pH of any aqueous product - just buy pH strips off Amazon. You get like a zillion for a few bucks. And, no product is completely "neutral"... even pH 6-8 could be considered "neutral"... Kinda like how 30 mls isn't a fluid ounce - but close enough...



... That's a pretty hardcore thing to say IMHO. Especially since you said you use their product and find it superior to others...
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No one needs to answer those questions. You buy what you want and everyone else will, too.


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Nick@McKees37 said:
Great question...

Not all "cleaners" (ie: surfactants, emulsifiers, detergents, etc) are created equal. The more you refine something (ie: cleaners, solvents, etc), the higher quality the final product. Mist Total Interior Cleaner on one hand, and your favorite APC (diluted accordingly) on the other, then wipe it off. One hand will feel noticeably dryer than the other. Now think about it on interior surfaces (specifically leather). That's not even going into fragrance (most APC's tend to be harsh, where Total Interior Cleaner smells very pleasant).

There's no doubt an APC is the best choice for a professional detailer, for versatility and cost.

If you detail for a living, pick up a gallon of Hi-Intensity APC Plus. If you detail your own car, pick up a gallon of Total Interior Cleaner.

If you haven't tried Hi-Intensity APC yet, I would be more than happy to send you a sample to evaluate. We spent a lot of time testing at various dilution ratios to ensure it is the perfect compromise between safety, cost, and versatility.



Thanks for the continued support. I'm thrilled to hear that Hi-Intensity APC Plus is your go-to all purpose cleaner.

-Nick Rutter:dblthumb2:
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Thankyou for responding Nick, and for what you shared.

The things that I am starting to notice that would benefit me from TIC are:

1. No typical residue left behind from most APC's. Meaning I don't have to make a final wipe with a damp microfiber to make sure is all cleaned off.

2. Because of Surfacant technology, rather than using Solvents, this product is Much more safer than using solvents.

3. Convenience- Product is "Ready" to be used on all interior surfaces without having to mix in different parts for different surfaces.


I'm going to give it a Go. I'll keep APC for other jobs.
 
Heisenberg said:
My bad, I only had the DP version of High-Intensity Plus. I thought I ordered the McKee's stuff to try.

Anyway, here's a the measurement using the concentrate:
01XhoED.jpg


It's dark blue. Don't really know/care what it means in the context of chemistry - it works for me and that's kind of all that matters. I don't know(or think) if it's as simple as "here's the PH level, it's alkaline!" so someone with more knowledge on the subject can feel free to correct me. I just said I'd do this litmus test; not trying to stir the pot or anything
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Thank you for doing this litmus test for me Heisenberg! Like you, I think M37 APC+ is the best APC and easily worth paying extra money for a cleaner that in my experience is way better than D101. I also fell in love with it back when it was still a Detailer's Pro product. I assumed I was the last person still going through their gallons of DP High Intensity APC plus!!!

I actually asked nick when the Mckee's line was released if it was a new formulation and he said that it wasn't since at the time it had only been added to the DP line I think 3-6 months prior to the entire line being discontinued, so the chemistry of the APC was already up to date and didn't need to be changed.

Like you, I don't care what the PH of the APC is, I love it and will continue to use.

VISITOR said:
Nick (Rutter) is a pretty honest guy and i don't believe his claims are "bold". he obviously has had a huge involvement in the developing process of mckee's 37 products and knows what's in them and what they are capable of accomplishing...
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I agree, Nick seems like a stand up honest guy. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he can't make some claims that I consider "bold"

I can tell I made several guys mad, but if you think about it from my perspective.....
APC's and Degreaser are primarily Alkaline, which as far as I know, anything with a PH greater than 7 would be considered Alkaline (an APC with a PH of 10 would be considered "less alkaline" than a APC with a PH of 13)

What would you think if you were told by the technically specialist of one of your favorite product manufactures that one of your most effective APC/degreasers was in fact "NON-ALKALINE", you know that would make it totally unique and more advanced than any other product in it's class.....yet the PH of the product wasn't even mentioned in the product description? To me, that is what I consider a "bold claim" based on my limited knowledge of the PH scale.

That said, misspelling Nick's last name is completely and utterly unacceptable and I was way out of line! lol
 
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