Will a sealant "seal" in a polish or glaze?

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Just curious if this isbtheoretically correct .. Meaning will the sealant lock in the oils and and give the finished work more longevity or do they not "lock in" and not bond to each other?
 
fredcandetail said:
Just curious if this isbtheoretically correct .. Meaning will the sealant lock in the oils and and give the finished work more longevity or do they not "lock in" and not bond to each other?
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I will generally use some type of paint prep or do an iso alcohol wipedown after polishing, before a sealant application. Prepping the paint and removing polishing oils helps the wax or sealant to bond better.
 
There are a number of "glazes" that are formulated to be applied immediately before the application of a sealant. These include: Wet Glaze 2.0, Poorboys Black Hole Glaze and Chemical Guys Acrylic Creme Glaze. "Glaze" technology has created a number of new products rendering the meaning of the term "glaze" very hazy. More important then name, it's important that you follow the manufacturer's directions.
 
black hole can be applied before a sealant or wax and not effect the bonding of it? will the glaze then wear off quickly ? enlighten me !
 
I have used the combination of Black Hole followed by Collinite IW845 with no durability issues. You can essentially lock in the effects of the glaze with the sealant. Older glazes were used to give easy, quick gloss to a finish but would wear off quickly. The glazes mentioned by "truckbutt" are formulated to work in conjuction of a sealant. While I haven't tried the other two glazes, BH works well for me
 
poweraid said:
black hole can be applied before a sealant or wax and not effect the bonding of it? will the glaze then wear off quickly ? enlighten me !
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If you use a"glaze" that the manufacturer says is designed to be applied before a sealant/wax, it will be locked in by the sealant/wax and will not "wear off" until either the sealant/wax wears off or you remove it.
 
Chemical Guy's black light is also a "glaze" and can be used under a sealant/wax also.
 
There is unfortunately no consistent use of the name "glaze". It has come to mean different things depending on the product and manufacturer.
 
longdx said:
I have used the combination of Black Hole followed by Collinite IW845 with no durability issues. You can essentially lock in the effects of the glaze with the sealant. Older glazes were used to give easy, quick gloss to a finish but would wear off quickly. The glazes mentioned by "truckbutt" are formulated to work in conjuction of a sealant. While I haven't tried the other two glazes, BH works well for me
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I don't know how you can say this. We all know how durable Collinite 845 is -- 5 months is not unreasonable. What you have essentially said is that the fillers in BH will also last 5 months or as long as the Collinite.

Sorry, that is just not the case, or I'd never need to ever polish my car again...

glazes fill in and disguise swirls to some extent but are not locked in by anything put on top of them, instead, they mix with the wax/sealant, and eventally get washed out of the swirls, so after a few washes, you will have nice shiney swirls again...
 
embolism said:
I don't know how you can say this. We all know how durable Collinite 845 is -- 5 months is not unreasonable. What you have essentially said is that the fillers in BH will also last 5 months or as long as the Collinite.

Sorry, that is just not the case, or I'd never need to ever polish my car again...

glazes fill in and disguise swirls to some extent but are not locked in by anything put on top of them, instead, they mix with the wax/sealant, and eventally get washed out of the swirls, so after a few washes, you will have nice shiney swirls again...
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That just isn't factually correct. The glaze doesn't magically gas out of the Collinite. If the Collinite lasts 5 months, so does the glaze.
 
If what you say is true then all I need to have a show car finish is a bottle of black hole glaze and Collinite 845. Apply both once every 5 months and my swirls would be taken care of until the next application...
 
Now were talking boys ... The past few posts about locking in the results is just what I was hoping to get clarified.... So let's say that you glaze and then 845, and let's assume that u polish and then APC it down or whatever prep solution to remove the oils I can see 845 bonding and sealing pretty well but will BH wash out with an APC WASH? ... and I can see 845 lasting however long it does with the proper washings etc ... Let's say you use CQuartz instead of 845 is this more of a permanent seal?
 
CQuartz recommends application on bare paint, free of all polishing oils & glazes, so there might be durability issues there
 
Mostly probably has to do with the bonding issue that CQuartz/AQuartz/E119 will have. Same goes for what OPT recommends having a bare paint finish when applying Opti-Coat 2.0/Opti-Guard; so the product can bond with the paint better.

However when on the subject of "glaze" some "glazes" are actually made to be worked in conjunction with a product topped on it. IE Chemical Guys seems to have a very strong following with glazes that look great on a non-perfect paint with a topper on it (IE Nuba Waxes and or Sealants, no coatings since every coating manufacture likes you to have bare paint as a base).
 
It will if it's CG Blacklight...its a polish/glaze/sealant AIO. It has abrasives in it. Its similar to DoDo juice Lime prime glaze but Blacklight takes it to the next level by adding a real nice sealant into the mix. Looks similar to Blackfire wet diamond on dark paint.
 
This is an interesting thread!

I have used glazes in the past and as all know glazes by themselves are temporary.

Glazes are formulated with oils and fillers and when applied, these fillers hide many minor surface defects leaving the finish looking quite good once dried and buffed. Glazes offer no real protection and if not over coated with wax will be gone in a day or two especially if washed.

Understanding that some product must be used to protect the finish many wax over the glaze to give it some longevity. Used car dealers do this all the time so that bright shinny finish is impressive although short lived.

I've never applied a sealant over a glaze however looking at it logically sounds as if it should work. Sealants are synthetic waxes and perform very well in both the durability and gloss categories.

I don't have any cars with some major swirls otherwise I'd test this theory a see what the outcome would be...If someone would care to do a test lets say on 1/4 of a flat panel I for one would be interested in seeing the results...:props:
 
truckbutt said:
There are a number of "glazes" that are formulated to be applied immediately before the application of a sealant. These include: Wet Glaze 2.0, Poorboys Black Hole Glaze and Chemical Guys Acrylic Creme Glaze. "Glaze" technology has created a number of new products rendering the meaning of the term "glaze" very hazy. More important then name, it's important that you follow the manufacturer's directions.
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also,

- Chemical Guys Blacklight
- Ultima Paint Prep
- Prima Amigo

All of these products have trace amounts of the very same or similar sythetic or polymer sealant that is intended to be used on top of them. So they kind of cure like a sealant after application. So that the sealant bonds to itself rather than trying to get a good bond over just filler and oils.

Is the poorboys BH polymer sealant based like the other products mentioned above ? I dont ever remember poorboys confirming this.
 
did anyone follow the link in my first response to the OP where I tested blacklight "sealed in" by ksg and black hole "sealed in" by natty's blue on a badly swirled black car? After a few simulated washes it was coming out of the swirls already.

I polished out that car already otherwise I'd do blackhole sealed in by 845 just to show that there is really no sealing in a glaze...

even right after application of the both glazes (before washing), I could still see the underlying swirls from the right angle. Maybe it would pass a 10 foot test but up close with lighting? Forget it.
 
embolism said:
If what you say is true then all I need to have a show car finish is a bottle of black hole glaze and Collinite 845. Apply both once every 5 months and my swirls would be taken care of until the next application...
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Actually... I applied poorboys black hole, then Menzerna Power Lock. The next day I applied collinite 845. Looked great for about a week and then you could see all the swirls back in. I am not knocking poorboys cause it looked great, but just proved this theory isn't true.
 
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