Wolfgang vs Menzerna

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I'm getting ready to start my first project. I decided that I don't want to do this by hand; so I'm looking at the PC pkg deals. I think I'm down to either PC pkg with Wolfgang detailers’ choice or the Manzerna intensive shine kit. The car I will be working on is a 2003 Acura with the white diamond pearl paint. The car has had 1 detail in about 3-4 years ago, and I’m sure it was a very good one; so I thought I would do it myself.

What do you think is my best option? Have I overlooked anything? What about bug/tar removal?

Thanks for your valuable input.
 
the wg 3.0 swirl combo is also really good, followed with the wg 3.0 sealant.
 
You get an 8 oz of WG TSR for $20..or you can get M105 32oz for $28..

You get an 8 oz of WG FG for $20...or you can get M205 32oz for $30...

You can also get Menzerna Power Lock for $25 as well..

As much as it seems I am not ANTI-WG..I just think saving money is good.
 
maximus20895 said:
You get an 8 oz of WG TSR for $20..or you can get M105 32oz for $28..

You get an 8 oz of WG FG for $20...or you can get M205 32oz for $30...

You can also get Menzerna Power Lock for $25 as well..

As much as it seems I am not ANTI-WG..I just think saving money is good.
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You guys need to keep in mind how strong M105 is.
 
Can't say anything about Megs or Menz but WG is FANTASTIC, its the only thing ever used on my 08 cool vanilla 300c and I love it. It does cost more I guess but the cheapest price is not necessarily the best value. I have the entire WG line and see no reason to switch. I know there are a million opinions out there this is just one, hope it helps.
 
JonM said:
You guys need to keep in mind how strong M105 is.
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:iagree: Too many people recommend m105 right off the bat and forget M105 is a compound and not a polish.

Menzerna SIP/nano will tackle almost everything you throw at it and will not chew away and your clearcoat. It is also good to note that the Wolfgang polishes were made and developed by Menzerna themselves so they are very similar in cut and finish.
 
maximus20895 said:
What about Meguir's? 105/205 combo works really well too!
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I'm just afraid as a newbie, I would ruin my paint/clear coat with the meguir's105. Part of the issue is also what will make the white pop -- eventhough from what I've read, white will never pop as much as the darker colors.
 
If you are using a D.A. you will not have to worry about ruining your clear or paint with it. It's made for newbies. There are MANY, MANY, MANY and MANY people who have used m105 as their first polish.

Some have been saying that 105 is a compound and it's a bit aggressive..yes that's true, it's pretty aggressive..but only so if you use an aggressive pad!

I don't understand how any compound/polish CAN'T chew away your clear coat since it has to in order to remove the swirls/scratches...

105 and 205 is so versatile I don't understand why people wouldn't have these 2 as their main two. You get a better bang for your buck by far..and you can increase your cutting spectrum with these according to which pad you use.

205 will be the finishing polish and make your white pop.

There are a TON of people here that can attest that 205 will really give your paint some pop!

You want the best and pay less. In the world of compounds and polishes Meguiar's wins.
 
Nobody ever said anything is wrong with M205. M105 is the product in question here.

M105 IS a strong and aggressive compound. Yes while all polishes and compounds remove paint M105 removes a lot of it. While it is pad dependant like most products out there the majority of the members with a DA use the M105/orange or even the M105/yellow combo. That in itself is fairly aggressive.

Now I'm not saying dont buy M105/M205 but you need to adjust your think and not use M105 for everything. It seems like that is all everybody seems to reach for. You dont see people recommending Powergloss and Nano do you?

M105 being the best is very subjective. In terms of cut, its not the strongest. The only thing good about M105 is it cuts good and finishes down good for a compound.
 
I was just saying that 205 will give his white pop since he seemed concerned, just trying to clear that up :)

105 changed compounds, it's that simple. And if you are trying to remove some swirls most people will use two compounds/polishes regardless in order to get the best potential out of the paint.

h20, do you have a picture of your car and it's imperfections?
 
Yes, a picture of the imperfections would allow us to give you better recommendations. Since you have an Acura the paint will be fairly soft and you wouldn't need anything aggressive at all.

You will notice when working on white paint that any type of jeweling or refining after correction will not make much or any noticeable improvement. I find using a highly reflective lsp really helps make white stand out as white naturally has no depth/warmth.

Some nice LSP I find for white is: 4* UPP, FK 1000P, UPGP, M20, AG HD Wax, and #845.
 
h2ogeek said:
I'm getting ready to start my first project. I decided that I don't want to do this by hand; so I'm looking at the PC pkg deals. I think I'm down to either PC pkg with Wolfgang detailers’ choice or the Manzerna intensive shine kit. The car I will be working on is a 2003 Acura with the white diamond pearl paint. The car has had 1 detail in about 3-4 years ago, and I’m sure it was a very good one; so I thought I would do it myself.

What do you think is my best option? Have I overlooked anything? What about bug/tar removal?


Thanks for your valuable input.
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I bought the WG swirl remover products and sealant plus a PCXP to clean up my white BMW's paint in December. Dwayne helped me pick out the products and I suggest that you give him a call. I used orange and white 6.5" CCS pads and wish that I bought the 5" pads in retrospect.

Menzerna makes the WG polishes so you'll be fine with the Menzerna if you go that route. I have been playing with the Optimum polishes and compounds recently with great results too. I seem to get a little longer working time with the Optimum products than with the WG, however both give me a lot more working time than a CG polish that I picked up on sale.

It's probably more about selecting the right pads and using the correct technique, than choosing between WG or Menzerna.

Since this is your first time, remember to clay before you use either of the manufacturers polishes as polishing will be much easier and faster. Follow Mike P's videos and try not to use too much product when polishing. Polish in smaller sections to fully work in the product. I used too much product the first time which led to wasted product and slow removal of swirls.

There have been times when a bug remover has been a godsend before using clay and polishing. It was handy to remove tar that got on my father-n-law's car's lower quarter panels a month back when the clay was slow to get it off. However, I hardly use it otherwise.

You'll need a few microfibers for product removal and buffing. You may want tire and wheel cleaners and treatments for your newly polished ride. Don't forget to treat your door rubber molding on your 6 year old car and perhaps get an APC to clean the grungy areas if you don't already have them.

Good luck and have fun!
 
I like the smaller 5.5" pads as well. The flat pads are good too.

I would watch Mike Phillips' videos as mentioned above, they are really terrific :)
 
Lasthope05 said:
Yes, a picture of the imperfections would allow us to give you better recommendations. Since you have an Acura the paint will be fairly soft and you wouldn't need anything aggressive at all.

You will notice when working on white paint that any type of jeweling or refining after correction will not make much or any noticeable improvement. I find using a highly reflective lsp really helps make white stand out as white naturally has no depth/warmth.

Some nice LSP I find for white is: 4* UPP, FK 1000P, UPGP, M20, AG HD Wax, and #845.
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I started with Wolfgang TSR and FG as well as Menzerna PO85RD. Recently I purchased some Megs 105 and 205.

Wolfgang, Menzerna, and Meguiars all make terriffic polishes.

As some have said 105 can really remove scratches (paint) fast but when correcting that is the idea. The thing is you can still control how much paint it removes. Its not like you have to run the 105 for a bunch of passes if you don't need to. The 105 doesn't use diminishing abrasives so you can stop running it as soon as it's done it's job. I haven't gotten a chance to use the 205 yet but am very much looking forward to it.
 
Its been brought up that 105 or any compounds for that matter can be too aggressive and remove too much clear. I have a ptg and a pass with 105 on a da sometimes doesnt even register anything on the meter. I know least aggressive method first and all but I just want to pull the release valve a little bit in that I think some people over estimate how much clear is taken off with a compound or any buffing cycle for that matter. I am not saying to not go with the least aggressive method first but also dont be afraid of a compound. I am doing a car today its just a one step polish but Ill polish out one panel to perfection and measure with the ptg and take pics along the way

Jon
 
Via PC I have witnessed wonders done with Meg's Ultimate Compound and SwirlX. They're designed for PC use only and deliver outstanding results. The great thing about those two paint cleaners is their ease of use, value (very economical) and performance. Secondly, they are readily available at many retailers, as well as online. If I were to recommend any combination to a newb with a new PC/ D.A. polisher it would be this. Good luck.:dblthumb2:
 
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