Work time on Menz 85RD

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I'm in the proccess of removing some annoying light swirls on my car.
I just want to know how many pass's and what speed I should be working the 85rd in, as my current routine is achieving around 97% correction but is also doing my head and is getting harder to find the will and effort to finish it.

My current plan with a DA is:
5pass's @ 4.5speed - PO85U (white ccs)
5pass's @ 4.5spd - PO85RD (grey ccs)
5pass's @ 4spd - PO85RD (grey ccs)
5pass's @ 3.5spd PO85RD (blue ccs)
Also putting about 6-7 pea size drops when using 6.5" pads and around 5 for the 4" pads
 
That is a lot of steps ... I would suggest stepping up your compound or pad aggressiveness. If it were me, I would step down to Power Finish on white (or orange) and finish with PO85RD on Grey or blue.

IMO 4 steps is too much for light swirl removal.

Also, when using a primed pad, I only use 3-4 pea sized dots of product on 6-6.5'' pads. The number of passes you are using is consistant with what I use: 4 heavy pressure 2 light pressure passes.
 
as far as I know, PO85RD isn't really for removing swirls which is why it's taking you so many passes

make things really easy on yourself and get some power finish on a white or orange pad, then PO85rd on a black pad...

I also don't like Menz polishes on CCS pads cause it hampers them from breaking down...
 
Least aggressive to more aggressive, start with gray pad.

There are so many factors, you will just have to try it out, but your plan sounds fine. You may need to go to the white pad if gray doesnt work
 
I'd like to avoid using Power Finish if I could.. I only I have to use some where I've got the 3000grit sand marks.
Overall the White w/85U removes around 95% of the fine swirls... its just those remaining 5% that play hide and seek half the time.
Are the speeds I'm using sufficient to break down the polish?
 
I dunno, I'd be ecstatic with 97% correction but maybe try 5.5 in flat pads?
 
embolism said:
darn, you beat me Bill!
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Only by mere seconds ;)

Hey if you don't mind investing the time to do a 4 step correction, more power to you, I was just saying if it were me, and it was taking 4 steps to get the results I wanted, I would kick up the aggressiveness in the pad and compound department. You have to work with what you have available.

As for speeds, which polisher are you using. I compound at speed 5-6, but honestly I consider nano polish and PO85rd to be finishing polishes that require less speed.
 
using Concours 900, which is sold in Australia..
Well in terms of cut PO85U close or the same as power finish?
 
Just to throw my 2cents in.. I am pretty exclusive to Menzerna products. I have tried other products but I find that I can tackle pretty much anything that has come my way with power gloss, power finish, super finish & power lock.. Just sayin' I like things simple and if my customers are impressed, im good to go. Most times I can do a pretty swirled finish with power finish (finishes down for me lsp ready) then power lock or maybe 845.
 
I wouldn't prime the pad when using diminishing abrasives. It's already enough trouble to break down the abrasives as it is. The more polish you use, the longer it will take to break down the abrasives. A quick spray of PB's spray and wipe to lubricate the pad works for me!
 
does power finish even do anything to the hard clear on your vette Mark?
 
embolism said:
does power finish even do anything to the hard clear on your vette Mark?
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Tim, not really if I use a DA. Using a rotary, it's different. While they work good with a DA, Menzerna polishes were designed with a rotary in mind.
 
I think you will get better results with 85RD using a faster speed and decent pressure.

How did you derive the speeds you listed for each polish.
 
Well I figured since you'd run the da at 6spd when compounding... thought it was natural to drop a little speed when jeweling the paint..
And Mark I didn't have much success with the usual 3pea size drops on the pad.. so I was showed another method... and that was to use a little more product
 
Menzerna polishes rely on heat, that's why they're best worked with rotary polishers. I would think with a DA, you would want to use the highest speed and some pressure(like Bunky said)to generate heat to break down the abrasives.

Products like Prima polishes are optimized for DA use, so you don't need heat to break down the abrasives. This is info from Nick@Prima. :)
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Menzerna polishes rely on heat, that's why they're best worked with rotary polishers. I would think with a DA, you would want to use the highest speed and some pressure(like Bunky said)to generate heat to break down the abrasives.

Products like Prima polishes are optimized for DA use, so you don't need heat to break down the abrasives. This is info from Nick@Prima. :)
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Awesome info!

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I thought id bump this thread up instead of creating a new one..
I have bit the bullet and stepped up to a Makita 9227.. and just wondering what speed I should run at when using 85rd.. I've got the rest down pat just this one eludes me
 
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