SEMA Release of Rupes

SR99 said:
As others have noted, about 400 watts is the AC power consumption. All that tells you is that you can safely run it on a 15 amp circuit simultaneously with another tool consuming about 9 amps.

That number doesn't have a direct relationship with the correcting power at the pad, especially with a free-rotating type of DA where the pad rotation can be stopped to zero rotations while the machine's motor is consuming the full rated power from the AC line, in driving the oscillating portion (where the OPM is applicable) of the dual action.

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I know W=VxA. Watts is the power used and Amperes is the amount of electrons that moves through a circuit in a certain period of time. I'm not an electrician.

That being said, in the real world it does have SOME relationship to how powerful or how "ballsy" a machine is. Most of the DA machines have motors and overall designs that are relatively similarly efficient. Sure there are a ton of other factors, but GENERALLY a machine that draws significantly more power will be more powerful.

For example, a GG6 is 7.5 amps and 850 watts. That's significantly more powerful than a 7424 that's like 4 amps and 500 watts (or around that if I recall). Its a power difference you can feel. Sure the motors and machines are different, the efficiency of each isn't 100% equal - but I think its safe to assume your basically comparing apples to apples - and watts and amps give you a ballpark of the more powerful machine.

When I'm talking about the motors power output, I'm talking about its ability to spin the pad under conditions that are not perfect (complex/concave panels) and not bog down. I know their isn't a direct rotary like connection from the motor to the spindle, but generally speaking, I believe there is SOMEWHAT of a direct relationship between the power these DA machines consume and the power they put out.

I do believe a larger stroke machine corrects better than a smaller one. However, I don't believe that a larger stroke machine whose pad isn't spinning corrects BETTER than a smaller stroke machine whose pad is spinning well (just jiggling).

All my opinions and my experience. So, I do believe input amperes and watts does have some bearing on the correction ability of a machine.
 
Hi Swanicyouth,
When your counter-arguments become fabricated claims and cherry-picked data points to continue to support your beliefs, I lose interest. Oh well.
If you want to continue to discuss via PM, that's fine, but it's beyond where it's a forum-suitable dialog.
 
02xtreme07SS said:
:iagree:I had intended on purchasing both new machines, but I'm out if they are only offering them as part of a 'kit'. Hopefully this isn't the case, but if it is, it's a bad business decision in my book.
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Richard made Rupes sell their machine in a kit.:laughing:
 
This is from Francesco Ginocchio. It's a reply on a FB detailers group. The single machines are coming but the kits are scheduled to come out first. I pm'ed him and asked about good Friday sales and he couldn't commit to that date. He is very aware we are a impatient bunch and is doing what he can to accommodate us.



Francesco Ginocchio Just let us to plan carefully the production...Machines only are in our short term plans... The success of these new machine has been amazing...we have just to understand how to move on with the production

November 11 at 2:20pm · Like · 3..



Juan Ruiz Francesco, this should be "EASY" there's a little green switch that activates the production line, turn it on and let the production start

November 11 at 2:57pm · Unlike · 4..


Francesco Ginocchio We have already started...dont worry guys...we take care about your requests!

November 11 at 3:26pm · Unlike · 4
 
SR99 said:
As others have noted, about 400 watts is the AC power consumption. All that tells you is that you can safely run it on a 15 amp circuit simultaneously with another tool consuming about 9 amps.

That number doesn't have a direct relationship with the correcting power at the pad, especially with a free-rotating type of DA where the pad rotation can be stopped to zero rotations while the machine's motor is consuming the full rated power from the AC line, in driving the oscillating portion (where the OPM is applicable) of the dual action.
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swanicyouth said:
So, I do believe input amperes and watts does have some bearing on the correction ability of a machine.
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Hey guys...

First I'm not an electrical engineer and nor do I have any desire to become one. I also am completely aware that two things that get detailers the most excited are,

  • New Tools
  • New Products - Usually, new compounds polishes or LSP's
At least historically, the above to categories of products tend to create the most excitement in the online detailing world.


Because I can tell that this is going to be a hot topic for some time into the future, (it's been a hot topic in the past), I'll share the analogy that Marco D'Inca shared with me to explain how the number associated with the electrical use of a tool does not automatically equate to the effectiveness of the tool.


But... I'll start a new thread as this thread is already on page 9 of discussions and this topic really deserves it's own dedicated thread.

:)
 
ok guys ! Urgent message ! I contacted rupes directly and they told me the machines will be sold as kits until January 2014 , but I'm not sure if that means the machine is limited time
 
Ok now I am confused ! Another place told me they will be selling the machines also individually ! ... Hmmm ... Rupes said only as kits until 2014 , but another place said once they receive stock they will have it alone . Now time to wait and see what happens !
 
Sorry for the third blab but now another place pretty much says both of these . They will only be sold for kits as of now until they rupes pushes out the machines . AG please have them in machines only ��
 
I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Hopefully the wait doesn't negatively impact the excitement/desire to purchase the new machines on their own.
 
If the rupes mini, uses a not so strong motor like the rupes 15,21
It will still bogg down at certain surface u are polishing.
The only upside is bigger throw when compare to the GG3"
But what is the difference if the motor is still weak.

The only reason the lhr75 is so popular because it is small and easy to maneuver, and most likely it does not bogg down during heavy use. Because it is a AIR tool.

But seriously if rupes want to play the game of selling as a kit. I highly doubt I will invest my money on them.
It is just shady , lame and money robbing.

PS: it is not like they are having a problem selling all their other products. Sounds too greedy in my taste here.
 
Honestly at this point I'll just buy the kit. I've been eyeing a 3in rupes since I got my 21 back in March. Also I will end up buying their bag down the road so I might as well get it all in one shot and try out their pads and polishes while I'm at it.
 
EvolutionDetail said:
If the rupes mini, uses a not so strong motor like the rupes 15,21
It will still bogg down at certain surface u are polishing.
The only upside is bigger throw when compare to the GG3"
But what is the difference if the motor is still weak.
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This was kind of my point when my ideas where called fabricated claims and cherry picked data or whatever. I don't even want to respond to that guy.

I have the Rupes 15 and its a great machine, but it could use a tad more power. I would rate the power as adequate, but not super powerful. I'm talking about the power to spin the pad on complex panels / not correction power.

Of course we all know ( I hope we all know) correction is BEST performed if the pad is spinning. Rupes seems to be going after efficient machines that work well through excellent engineering - not brute power.
 
I myself also have their 15, it is a GREAT machine.
It is more comfortable to operate vs all the other machines out there.
Perhaps power is not their thing and my technique is not "good enough"
I often have my pad bogging down on me at curved panels.

Although even if their mini is not that powerful, their throw can possibly still yield faster results than the GG 3".

To me it all comes down to the price point. A rupes 15 is $349
I expect the Mini to be somewhere under the $299 range.
But I still probably wouldn't pull the trigger, simply because I don't do much of detailing, and also by the pic comparison, the mini is bigger than the GG.

And I have had problems getting certain angle and area with the GG. So I can't see how with the bigger bodied mini will help.

But honestly ultimately the lhr75 is still the better choice, however a decent size powered compressor is needed.
 
EvolutionDetail said:
I myself also have their 15, it is a GREAT machine.
It is more comfortable to operate vs all the other machines out there.
Perhaps power is not their thing and my technique is not "good enough"
I often have my pad bogging down on me at curved panels.

Although even if their mini is not that powerful, their throw can possibly still yield faster results than the GG 3".

To me it all comes down to the price point. A rupes 15 is $349
I expect the Mini to be somewhere under the $299 range.
But I still probably wouldn't pull the trigger, simply because I don't do much of detailing, and also by the pic comparison, the mini is bigger than the GG.

And I have had problems getting certain angle and area with the GG. So I can't see how with the bigger bodied mini will help.

But honestly ultimately the lhr75 is still the better choice, however a decent size powered compressor is needed.
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I think the mini would be like 200 and the 12e would probably be 250 ... Or maybe even lower 150 mini and 200 12e .. Just a guess though ! :D
 
I have the GG 3" and I'd like to see a comparison between the 2. I'm sure there is no comparison.
 
skipper1 said:
I have the GG 3" and I'd like to see a comparison between the 2. I'm sure there is no comparison.
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:iagree:

I have the GG3 as well. I bought it for tight spaces. I would consider the Rupes Mini because of the power difference. But it doesn't look that much smaller than a PC or GG6.
 
EvolutionDetail said:
I myself also have their 15, it is a GREAT machine.
It is more comfortable to operate vs all the other machines out there.
Perhaps power is not their thing and my technique is not "good enough"
I often have my pad bogging down on me at curved panels.

Although even if their mini is not that powerful, their throw can possibly still yield faster results than the GG 3".

To me it all comes down to the price point. A rupes 15 is $349
I expect the Mini to be somewhere under the $299 range.
But I still probably wouldn't pull the trigger, simply because I don't do much of detailing, and also by the pic comparison, the mini is bigger than the GG.

And I have had problems getting certain angle and area with the GG. So I can't see how with the bigger bodied mini will help.

But honestly ultimately the lhr75 is still the better choice, however a decent size powered compressor is needed.
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Curious, when you mentioned the 15 smoother than the other machines that includes the gg right
 
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