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[WRAPT C5Z06]

Mark, I spoke with Eric at Autoality about this. This product was designed for use with a rotary polisher at 1200 rpm. That speed burns off the oils in it. They did not intend for it to come over here and be used how it is. The good news is that there's going to be a DA version with less oils that wont' need the high speed.

Hey Richy, that's the exact same thing I've hard; if used properly with a rotary, no filling. The Flex 3401 should do a decent job of burning off the oils, but any DA will fill for sure. :dblthumb2:

When is the new DA version coming out?

 

[The Critic]

Hey Richy, that's the exact same thing I've hard; if used properly with a rotary, no filling. The Flex 3401 should do a decent job of burning off the oils, but any DA will fill for sure. :dblthumb2:

When is the new DA version coming out?

This is interesting. While I did notice that Sonax PF broke down a bit faster with the Flex, both polishers were able to fully break down the abrasives.

If the heat generated is able to sufficiently break down the abrasives, then why wouldn't any fillers be broken down as well? After all, oils don't truly break down or else we'd have nothing to wipe away.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

This is interesting. While I did notice that Sonax PF broke down a bit faster with the Flex, both polishers were able to fully break down the abrasives.

If the heat generated is able to sufficiently break down the abrasives, then why wouldn't any fillers be broken down as well? After all, oils don't truly break down or else we'd have nothing to wipe away.

I'm not sure of the science behind it, but SPF is a rotary based polish. Doesn't work as intended with a random orbital.


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[Rsurfer]

I'm not sure of the science behind it, but SPF is a rotary based polish. Doesn't work as intended with a random orbital.


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My favorite polish with a Flex rotary.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

My favorite polish with a Flex rotary.

You, my friend, are getting true results from this polish. :dblthumb2:

 

[Rsurfer]

You, my friend, are getting true results from this polish. :dblthumb2:

It's a joy to buff with this polish.

 

[The Critic]

My favorite polish with a Flex rotary.

Which pad are you using?

You, my friend, are getting true results from this polish. :dblthumb2:

Based on my limited testing so far, I think the abrasives break down just fine with the Flex 3401...but it just takes a bit more time.

 

[Rsurfer]

Which pad are you using?


Using Euro Shine and Hydro Tech pads.

 

[EvolutionDetail]

I bet there was a noticeable difference in the finish...
Even if the oven cleaner contained calcium carbonate, instead of sodium hydroxide!!!


I don't see any alleged "fillers" listed on Sonax Perfect Finish's MSDS:

SECTION 3: Composition/information on ingredients
3.2 Mixtures
Description: Emulsion with abrasives and additives

Dangerous components..............................CAS#..........%
-Hydrocarbons, C15-C20, n-alkanes,
isoalkanes, cyclics, < 0.03% aromatics....934-956-3.......5-10

-Hydrocarbons, C13-C16, n-alkanes,
isoalkanes, cyclics, < 0.03% aromatics....934-954-2.......5-10

-Hydrocarbons, C12-C15, n-alkanes,
isoalkanes, cyclics, < 2% aromatics........920-107-4.......5-10



Bob

I don't know how to read the MSDS, but if Bob says he didn't see any alleged fillers, I believe him....

I am a fan of SPF, and i polished my brand new truck with it, and coated it with c1 and exov2 for 6 months now

 

[The Critic]

Which pad are you using?


Using Euro Shine and Hydro Tech pads.

Can you go into a bit more detail and describe which color pad you use for 1-step polishing?

Are you able to finish out hologram-free on only the softest pads?

Thanks.

 

[richy]

I read somewhere that Nano Polish 3/6 was a very similar product, but without the so-called fillers.

One thing that I did notice is that the Flex will break down this polish faster than the Rupes. Also, when I was using the Sonax PF with a Rupes Yellow pad, I noticed that the panel was getting decently warm -- which I did not expect for a finishing polish. Note that my usage is as follows -- two very slow passes at speed 5, followed by two very slow passes at speed 3.5.

Upon removal, I did find the panels to be squeaky clean...so maybe I did burn off a lot of those oils?

I bet you did b/c whenever I've used it on coating jobs, there's been zero issues afterward.

 

[Rsurfer]

Can you go into a bit more detail and describe which color pad you use for 1-step polishing?

Are you able to finish out hologram-free on only the softest pads?

Thanks.

If the marring is light, I use either a blue Euro Shine or the red Hydro Tech pad with PF. If moderate marring I'll use a green Euro or tangerine H20 pad. On only the softest paint, I can usually finish hologram free using PF.

 

[AaronC]

What pds would you recommend for first time polish etc. What compound/polisher would you all recommend..Im in the process of ordering some and want some options. thank you

 

[The Critic]

If the marring is light, I use either a blue Euro Shine or the red Hydro Tech pad with PF. If moderate marring I'll use a green Euro or tangerine H20 pad. On only the softest paint, I can usually finish hologram free using PF.

Thanks.
Just to clarify -- are you also able to finish hologram-free on harder paints? Additionally, can SPF finish hologram-free using polishing pads? I understand that a lot of this is user-dependent, but I just wanted to hear your experience.

I bet you did b/c whenever I've used it on coating jobs, there's been zero issues afterward.

:xyxthumbs:

 

[Vegas Transplant]

I put my faith in a very, very well known paint polishing expert. If he says it has durable fillers, it has durable fillers. Do they interfere with coatings? Maybe not.

He works for himself. Anyhow, we should stop here.


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I believe "R" (and others) when he expounds on these findings.

Another prime example, though not with Sonax products, would be to view recent photos of Mike's 4x4 truck. We all know of Mike's daily routine, and the fact that the vehicle is used as a test bed for products and is frequently subject to machining. But if you look at his before pics when he did the Coating thread recently, you can see a myriad of buffer trails.

So yes, I believe your source.

 

[Bunky]

I don't know how to read the MSDS, but if Bob says he didn't see any alleged fillers, I believe him....

A MSDS only has to list products that are considered hazardous. The sheet only references what is up to 30% of the product so there other 70% is not known.

 

[jankerson]

What pds would you recommend for first time polish etc. What compound/polisher would you all recommend..Im in the process of ordering some and want some options. thank you

Don't think you can go wrong with this kit, just want to add a few more pads, orange and white.

http://www.autogeek.net/griots-garage-wolfgang-kit.html

 

[FUNX650]

A MSDS only has to list products that are considered hazardous.
The sheet only references what is up to 30% of the product so there other 70% is not known.

Most "fillers", of all sorts and sizes, now fall into the: "gotta list the hazardous ingredients" category.

There's the considered to be notorious (usually for the wrong reasons):
-Clays: kaolin, calcined kaolin, or otherwise;
-Diatomaceous earth: (D. E.);
-Silica, alumina silica, and their ilk.


Then there's the often left out % of the "non-hazardous water"-ingredient...
that does a lot of "filling"...to consider.




Bob

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Another prime example, though not with Sonax products, would be to view recent photos of Mike's 4x4 truck.

We all know of Mike's daily routine, and the fact that the vehicle is used as a test bed for products and is frequently subject to machining.


But if you look at his before pics when he did the Coating thread recently, you can see a myriad of buffer trails.

So yes, I believe your source.

Just so there's no misunderstandings... the reason there were holograms AND sanding marks in the paint on my truck is NOT because of durable fillers but because I used my own truck for the wetsanding portion of my last Detailing Boot Camp Class.

Look and you'll see guys from around the country sanding and buffing on my truck, not local Thursday night guys.


I stated where the swirls came from in the sign-up thread for the Thursday night class when we did the re-polish but until just a few minutes ago I had not added it to the pictures and comments thread but did today. You can still find the origianl post in the sign-up thread.


Ready for the Mud!


At our last detailing boot camp class I let my class practice how to wetsand and use rotary buffers.

Holograms and Sanding Marks
After the class, there are still some holograms and even wetsanding marks that need to be removed. More on the driver's side than on the passenger side, that's where I took this picture. I have not had time to do a complete re-buff of the entire truck so I was saving it for another Thursday night project.

:buffing:

 

[DaC]

Mark, I spoke with Eric at Autoality about this. This product was designed for use with a rotary polisher at 1200 rpm. That speed burns off the oils in it. They did not intend for it to come over here and be used how it is. The good news is that there's going to be a DA version with less oils that wont' need the high speed.

This information was pretty enlighten, thank you Richy! :dblthumb2: