What's the real deal with WG Uber?

[Eldorado2k]

Ha. I'm about to go outside and try it now. I feel like a kid on Christmas.


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[Eldorado2k]

... Man I hate morning dew. I think it's affecting my results on my 1st try with it. The 1st thing I noticed with the Uber is "wow this stuff beads up alot"! So much so that I had to take a picture of it.

So much that it, along with the dew + my lsp which beads like nobody's business makes the Uber flee my paint and wind up dripping on my driveway. [and this was before I wiped it. Even more once the towel hits it]

I'll have to wait a bit for it to warm up because I don't think it's supposed to be like this...



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[Eldorado2k]

Ok so I got tired of waiting.... But I figured it's a good time to do a little experiment between 2 products. Wolfgang Uber @3oz. per gallon vs. Megs D115@6:1.

Here's Wolfgang Uber just seconds after being sprayed onto the panel. Notice how much it just beads up and immediately starts dripping away..

Now here's D115 just seconds after spraying onto the panel. Wow what a difference. This is what you call encapsulating.

Side by side.

Pre wipe. Look how much has ended up on the ground with the Wolfgang.

D115 pre wipe.

After shot.

1st impressions, D115 beats the Wolfgang and its by quite a margin because that fleeing off the paint is rather annoying... Megs Last Touch behaves exactly like D115 so I'd also put Last Touch above the Wolfgang based on this 1st impression. Only time will tell if there's any changes.



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[kkritsilas]

I think the Uber has more surfactanta, which means it is slicker, so will roll off easier. Rinseless washes need both encapsulation, and slickness. The Megs products seem to be more encapsulant oriented, and the WG more slickness oriented. Both will probably work fine.

 

[Eldorado2k]

I think the Uber has more surfactanta, which means it is slicker, so will roll off easier. Rinseless washes need both encapsulation, and slickness. The Megs products seem to be more encapsulant oriented, and the WG more slickness oriented. Both will probably work fine.

That explanation makes sense.^

I did the other side of the vehicle with the Uber and had a better experience because this side didn't have as much dew on it as the other side.

There's definitely a difference between the products though, that's for sure. I'll have to keep using it in order to fully define it, but it seems like there's more to find out.

This is how the 1st side currently looks. Notice how the Wolfgang panel is all wet again, while the D115 has somehow kept the moisture from coming back. I dunno how much that matters, but I feel like things are wetter when using the Wolfgang vs. neater with the D115. I'll keep testing it.

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[oneheadlite]

Really interesting. Thanks for sharing pictures of your experience!

 

[AZpolisher15]

I've had similar experience with the beading elDorado illustrates. I don't have anything to back this up (other than seeing Uber enhancing beading after using it), but my sense is this-- yes, it beads and rolls off. But i use it liberally. There is more than enough left on the surface to wet my towel with product. And whether rinseless washing or using it as a drying aid, I feel like I'm rubbing the product on to and into the surface (much like a spray wax). So, all said and done, the beading characteristics we see upon application remain, to some degree, after completion. So, I guess I see the characteristic of the product rolling off the surface as a net-positive (assuming you want a product that "leaves a little something behind").

 

[Eldorado2k]

Update: Ok so I just had a chance to re try the Wolfgang Waterless Wash on my car. No more dew or moisture on the vehicle and now it worked fine.

Note to self: Don't ever use this stuff in the early morning when there's dew on the car, or on a wet vehicle, because it'll suck. I can't imagine this being good as a drying aid.

Here's a shot after wiping down half of the hood. I do back and forth wipes similar to washing the car with a mitt and wash bucket. Nothing extraordinarily carefull.

Here's a shot after the entire hood has been cleaned. 2 sides of a towel so far.

Pretty much done with the whole car at this point. 1 towel completely dirty [both sides] and my 2nd towel is basically still clean. All I have left is the drivers door rocker panel and the front bumper, which I'll begin using the 2nd towel for.

2 16"x16" towels to waterless wash an entire 17' Cadillac.

And no swirls!

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[pheerix]

2 16"x16" towels to waterless wash an entire 17' Cadillac.

That is extremely brave of you.

 

[Eldorado2k]

That is extremely brave of you.

lol.


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[JeffM]

I use all rinseless products , and I have a half a dozen of them, with the BRS with excellent results. I dont know how your supposed to get crud out of creases with no hose or decent amount of water, but its ballzy of all you who do it like that.

There is only 1 rinseless I didnt feel very confident in using, and that was while drying, and now its discontinued anyways.

 

[Klasse Act]

Hey Eldo, FWIW, this is THE BEST RW on the market, period!

I use 3 ounces to make my FrankenDetailer and it mixes very well with it too. I actually use 2 ounces per gallon for WW use but 3 ounces plays it safe and that's them, WG, looking out for the people IMO.

If you buy this and you don't like it, send it to me and I'll pay you for it!

 

[Jeremy1976]

Update: Ok so I just had a chance to re try the Wolfgang Waterless Wash on my car. No more dew or moisture on the vehicle and now it worked fine.

Note to self: Don't ever use this stuff in the early morning when there's dew on the car, or on a wet vehicle, because it'll suck. I can't imagine this being good as a drying aid.

Here's a shot after wiping down half of the hood. I do back and forth wipes similar to washing the car with a mitt and wash bucket. Nothing extraordinarily carefull.

Here's a shot after the entire hood has been cleaned. 2 sides of a towel so far.

Pretty much done with the whole car at this point. 1 towel completely dirty [both sides] and my 2nd towel is basically still clean. All I have left is the drivers door rocker panel and the front bumper, which I'll begin using the 2nd towel for.

2 16"x16" towels to waterless wash an entire 17' Cadillac.

And no swirls!

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I always give new products a couple tries before saying Yay or nay. Many times you have to adjust to the product and environment to get a good feel and use to it.

 

[Eldorado2k]

I always give new products a couple tries before saying Yay or nay. Many times you have to adjust to the product and environment to get a good feel and use to it.

That happens to me alot... Last Touch, Hyper Wash, Essence, Reload, McKee's Hi Intensity APC, and even my Griots Boss 21 all failed to live up to my expectations on the very 1st try.

But like you said, it can take a little adjusting to the certain quirks of a product in order to find your way with it. It went well this afternoon when I used it on a dry surface and washed my car.


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[Eldorado2k]

Hey Eldo, FWIW, this is THE BEST RW on the market, period!

I use 3 ounces to make my FrankenDetailer and it mixes very well with it too. I actually use 2 ounces per gallon for WW use but 3 ounces plays it safe and that's them, WG, looking out for the people IMO.

If you buy this and you don't like it, send it to me and I'll pay you for it!

I can see how it might be the best rinseless wash on the market. When I used it in the morning it seemed to want to produce a very wet experience when combined with the damp vehicle. It actually felt like I was doing a rinseless more than a waterless. Things were a bit more like expected them to be when used on a dry surface through. So I think it'll be good.

Btw, what exactly is your Frankendetailer mix?


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[AZpolisher15]

I can see how it might be the best rinseless wash on the market. When I used it in the morning it seemed to want to produce a very wet experience when combined with the damp vehicle. It actually felt like I was doing a rinseless more than a waterless. Things were a bit more like expected them to be when used on a dry surface through. So I think it'll be good.

Btw, what exactly is your Frankendetailer mix?


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Next time you wash your car, hit it with two or three sprays per panel before you dry (waterless ratio). Not only will it amp up the gloss, but it makes the towel slide over the surface much more smoothly. No need to spray precisely. Just randomly shoot it here and there while walking around the vehicle. It's my favorite use for this product.

 

[BrutalNoodle]

Wolfgang Uber @3oz. per gallon vs. Megs D115@6:1.

Here's Wolfgang Uber just seconds after being sprayed onto the panel. Notice how much it just beads up and immediately starts dripping away..

Now here's D115 just seconds after spraying onto the panel. Wow what a difference. This is what you call encapsulating.

Not surprising at all, considering the difference in ratio.

Another factor is the product themselves; one marketed as rinseless, while the other waterless. Uber could be used as a waterless, but rinseless is its goal, and Wolfgang scored big here.

IIRC, D115 could be diluted as high as 1:20 for high humidity/temp. At this mixture, it would probably exhibits similar characteristics you've experienced with Uber. I haven't gone pass 1:8, so I could be wrong here.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Next time you wash your car, hit it with two or three sprays per panel before you dry (waterless ratio). Not only will it amp up the gloss, but it makes the towel slide over the surface much more smoothly. No need to spray precisely. Just randomly shoot it here and there while walking around the vehicle. It's my favorite use for this product.

I think I'd rather use Megs Last Touch for that purpose. Reason being it can accomplish all those things, but it clings onto the paint, even if it's wet, whereas the Wolfgang Uber seems to immediately want to run off the paint and onto the ground when it's sprayed onto a wet surface. Uber seems to make a wet surface even wetter, to the point where the hood on my Kia was a dripping mess this morning when Uber combined with the dew.

Last Touch, D115 and also D156 cling onto the wet surface and don't add wetness to it, making for a much more ideal drying experience.


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[Eldorado2k]

IIRC, D115 could be diluted as high as 1:20 for high humidity/temp. At this mixture, it would probably exhibits similar characteristics you've experienced with Uber. I haven't gone pass 1:8, so I could be wrong here.

I've never really understood the meaning behind that.. Excuse me if I sound stupid but wouldn't the early morning such as today with all the cars covered in dew be high humidity? If so, why would I want D115 to be diluted @20:1? I'd want it @6:1 so it would perform like it did for me today.. Not some watered down version of it for it to mix with an already wet panel. I can maybe understand the high heat/direct sun recommendation... But doesn't morning dew conditions equal high humidity?

I know very little about weather, as you can tell. Lol.



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[BrutalNoodle]

No, no, I was shooting for - in terms of how it behaves on vertical surfaces. Your 1:6 vs Uber's watery mixture.

Skimmed milk vs whole, if you will.