Sneak Peek! - New Polisher!

Mike also used 5" pads. Makita comes with a 5" plate. Now, we just need confirmation it's the Makita.


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WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Are you sure? The new Makita is only 5mm as well. Looks as though the companies are going to a SMALLER orbit.


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Specification:
Continuous rating input 900W
Pad Size 125 mm (5")
Orbits Per Minute (OPM) 0 - 6,800
Strokes Per Minute (SPM) 0 - 13,600
No Load Speed (RPM) 0 - 780
Orbit Diameter 5.5 mm (7/32")
Vibration Level Polishing: 6.5 m/s²
Vibration K factor Polishing: 1.5 m/s²
Sound Pressure Level 81 dB(A)
Sound Power Level 92 dB(A)
Noise K factor 3 dB(A)
Dimensions (L x W x H) 451x123x134mm (17-3/4"x4-7/8"x5-1/4")
Net weight 2.8 kg (6.2 lbs)
Power supply cord 4.0 m (13.1 ft)​
 
Valky said:
It's only 5mm orbit, what a let down. They should not use the word "Bigfoot" which is signature for their large orbit on this one.
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WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Are you sure? The new Makita is only 5mm as well. Looks as though the companies are going to a SMALLER orbit.


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VISITOR said:
Specification:
Continuous rating input 900W
Pad Size 125 mm (5")
Orbits Per Minute (OPM) 0 - 6,800
Strokes Per Minute (SPM) 0 - 13,600
No Load Speed (RPM) 0 - 780
Orbit Diameter 5.5 mm (7/32")
Vibration Level Polishing: 6.5 m/s²
Vibration K factor Polishing: 1.5 m/s²
Sound Pressure Level 81 dB(A)
Sound Power Level 92 dB(A)
Noise K factor 3 dB(A)
Dimensions (L x W x H) 451x123x134mm (17-3/4"x4-7/8"x5-1/4")
Net weight 2.8 kg (6.2 lbs)
Power supply cord 4.0 m (13.1 ft)​
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I Think I actually understand why they went with a 5mm Throw instead of 8mm.

With the 8mm throw the Flex 3401 lacks (compared to long throws) in OPMS, This is where the free spinning long throws excel at is OPMS. Being that the 3401 is gear driven it has to travel 8mm and it can only do that so fast. the larger the orbit the less OPMS for a gear driven machine.

Someone posted the specs on Facebook that the Rupes forced rotation does have more OPMS than the 3401. And that makes sense due to the 5mm throw. the 5mm has to travel less distance than 8mm, Accomplishing more OPMS.

Maybe Rupes found a happy medium between Forced Roation and Long-Throw?

Let's just say I for one am excited to try it.
 
VISITOR said:
Specification:
Continuous rating input 900W
Pad Size 125 mm (5")
Orbits Per Minute (OPM) 0 - 6,800
Strokes Per Minute (SPM) 0 - 13,600
No Load Speed (RPM) 0 - 780
Orbit Diameter 5.5 mm (7/32")
Vibration Level Polishing: 6.5 m/s²
Vibration K factor Polishing: 1.5 m/s²
Sound Pressure Level 81 dB(A)
Sound Power Level 92 dB(A)
Noise K factor 3 dB(A)
Dimensions (L x W x H) 451x123x134mm (17-3/4"x4-7/8"x5-1/4")
Net weight 2.8 kg (6.2 lbs)
Power supply cord 4.0 m (13.1 ft)​
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Is this for the Rupes or Makita?





Joe@NextLevelDetail said:
I Think I actually understand why they went with a 5mm Throw instead of 8mm.

With the 8mm throw the Flex 3401 lacks (compared to long throws) in OPMS, This is where the free spinning long throws excel at is OPMS. Being that the 3401 is gear driven it has to travel 8mm and it can only do that so fast. the larger the orbit the less OPMS for a gear driven machine.

Someone posted the specs on Facebook that the Rupes forced rotation does have more OPMS than the 3401. And that makes sense due to the 5mm throw. the 5mm has to travel less distance than 8mm, Accomplishing more OPMS.

Maybe Rupes found a happy medium between Forced Roation and Long-Throw?

Let's just say I for one am excited to try it.
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Makes sense, Joe. Good stuff. I'm excited as well.
 
Nice one from Rupes. I am sure it will be a quality machine.

There are actually already quite a number of gear action orbital polisher from Japan since many years back with similar orbit diameter and I am sure the concept is pretty much the same even though the design is different. In fact I would prefer it to be 3mm-5.5mm orbit diameter for higher precision polishing for curves and edges. For larger orbit polisher, the abrasive rubbed in will never be as even and consistent on curves and edges even if the user can maintain its rotation. Torque and pressure can easily compensate speed of correction for larger orbital size but not vice versa as practically there is only a limit to how wide the orbit size could go and the larger it goes, the less precision it becomes.

Having said that, I am more curious to see the system (polish/pad) Rupes design for this polisher. Hope to see Wool Cutting pad with 5mm-8mm foam backing and 8mm to 15mm foam pad.
 
Joe@NextLevelDetail said:
I Think I actually understand why they went with a 5mm Throw instead of 8mm.

With the 8mm throw the Flex 3401 lacks (compared to long throws) in OPMS, This is where the free spinning long throws excel at is OPMS. Being that the 3401 is gear driven it has to travel 8mm and it can only do that so fast. the larger the orbit the less OPMS for a gear driven machine.

Someone posted the specs on Facebook that the Rupes forced rotation does have more OPMS than the 3401. And that makes sense due to the 5mm throw. the 5mm has to travel less distance than 8mm, Accomplishing more OPMS.
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so in a sense it's almost like the 15mm/21mm long throw vs. 8mm DA?
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Are you sure? The new Makita is only 5mm as well. Looks as though the companies are going to a SMALLER orbit.


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Smaller orbit, higher rotation?

On the Marita 9237 I rarely go past 3, but none of my other tools seem to come near that amount of action.

Just a couple hours ago, while using the 9237, I was imagining a forced rotation orbital with even a 3mm offset, and higher rotations.

I really enjoy using the rotary, and I see myself using it more and more. The current plan was to get another 3401, but if either of the new Makita, or Rupes tools give faster rotation, I may go that route.
 
Joe@NextLevelDetail said:
I Think I actually understand why they went with a 5mm Throw instead of 8mm.

With the 8mm throw the Flex 3401 lacks (compared to long throws) in OPMS, This is where the free spinning long throws excel at is OPMS. Being that the 3401 is gear driven it has to travel 8mm and it can only do that so fast. the larger the orbit the less OPMS for a gear driven machine.

Someone posted the specs on Facebook that the Rupes forced rotation does have more OPMS than the 3401. And that makes sense due to the 5mm throw. the 5mm has to travel less distance than 8mm, Accomplishing more OPMS.

Maybe Rupes found a happy medium between Forced Roation and Long-Throw?

Let's just say I for one am excited to try it.
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I'm right there with ya!
 
dlc95 said:
Smaller orbit, higher rotation?

On the Marita 9237 I rarely go past 3, but none of my other tools seem to come near that amount of action.

Just a couple hours ago, while using the 9237, I was imagining a forced rotation orbital with even a 3mm offset, and higher rotations.

I really enjoy using the rotary, and I see myself using it more and more. The current plan was to get another 3401, but if either of the new Makita, or Rupes tools give faster rotation, I may go that route.
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The new Makita definitely has higher OPM than the Flex 3401. I really like my 3401, but always felt it didn't spin quite fast enough on speed 6(4800 OPM). The question is, shorter throw but more OPM correction power vs. longer throw and less OPM??? Tie? I have no idea.

FWIW, I *think* the Makita spins counterclockwise like the 3401. However, the shorter throw might make it a bit less harsh/more smooth.


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WRAPT C5Z06 said:
The new Makita definitely has higher OPM than the Flex 3401. I really like my 3401, but always felt it didn't spin quite fast enough on speed 6(4800 OPM). The question is, shorter throw but more OPM correction power vs. longer throw and less OPM??? Tie? I have no idea.

FWIW, I *think* the Makita spins counterclockwise like the 3401. However, the shorter throw might make it a bit less harsh/more smooth.


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this is what Jason Rose told me about Rupes Mille

5.2mm actually. 7,490 opm. It's 14 orbits per rotation at 535 rpm.

Makita has been good to respond to me..so i'll ask on the rotation ...but from video in slowmo of it in action it looks like it spins clockwise in forced...but in videocwhen in free spin mode...looked like counter clockwise....hmmm
 
nothingface5384 said:
this is what Jason Rose told me about Rupes Mille

5.2mm actually. 7,490 opm. It's 14 orbits per rotation at 535 rpm.

Makita has been good to respond to me..so i'll ask on the rotation ...but from video in slowmo of it in action it looks like it spins clockwise in forced...but in videocwhen in free spin mode...looked like counter clockwise....hmmm
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Wow! That's a lot of OPM from the Mille! What is the top Makita OPM in forced mode?
 
Mike Phillips said:
***Update***


Finished.


Cars looks great. Had a chance to test out Dr. Beasley's Paint Coating on the matte surfaces, looks great.

Full write-up and I'll share the tool and everything I used tomorrow.


:)
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Damn Mike, you're VERY efficient!!!


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