Best/favorite all in one?

custmsprty said:
HD Speed....................it is the benchmark to what AIO's are judged.

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https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/91677-2015-bmw-435i-meets-hd-speed-hd-poxy.html
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^^ This, however, recently I tried HD AAT 505 and it's even better than HD Speed. Super long working time. Goes on and off with ease. Nearly no effort to remove. Correction ability is amazing. I took out some heavy swirls with an orange pad and very little effort. It is a tad more slick feeling than Speed too.

It's pricey stuff but I bought it for a specific need which was for use on Freshly painted surfaces. I am going to continue using it in a side by side with Speed on my next detail that doesn't involve a coating. IMO 505 is HDSpeed on Steriods.
 
I will remind everyone again that I am a newbie so I am not very educated but learning a lot on this forum. With that said, would I not be saving any/much time with an AIO as the video was trying to point out? Is it about the same if I used a swirl remover or polish then wax?
 
Another vote for HD Speed. I use it all the time for spring/winter cleanups on my cars since I just don't have the time for long correction session anymore. Super easy to use, cuts great, a nice finish. I always top my AIO's so durability is not an issue for me. I am looking forward to trying this next to 360 next.
 
Wipped,

Yes.

If you are trying to remove defects, then you really only save the small amount of time that it would take to apply a separate LSP(last step product, i.e. wax etc).

I wish the video also showed what each product did with just two or three passes also.
 
pdqgp said:
^^ This, however, recently I tried HD AAT 505 and it's even better than HD Speed. Super long working time. Goes on and off with ease. Nearly no effort to remove. Correction ability is amazing. I took out some heavy swirls with an orange pad and very little effort. It is a tad more slick feeling than Speed too.

It's pricey stuff but I bought it for a specific need which was for use on Freshly painted surfaces. I am going to continue using it in a side by side with Speed on my next detail that doesn't involve a coating. IMO 505 is HDSpeed on Steriods.
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I've heard many good things about AAT 505 as well. I look forward to seeing your review!

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A couple of my favorites are:
-Meguiar's M66
-Finish Kare 215


Bob
 
Whipped500 said:
I will remind everyone again that I am a newbie so I am not very educated but learning a lot on this forum.
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i used HD Speed for my first machine polish this past weekend. It's super easy to use and cuts pretty well from what I could tell... not much dust, comes off easy, and leaves a decent base coat of LSP. I topped with Poxy, and it was much slicker/waxier looking. Nice combo. Prob is OK on it's own if you want to really cut down time, but it doesn't take long to top it of course.

Gi alsoot the HD cut and polish coming too for a more abrasive correction on different cars I have. I think you can use one of those as a one step polish if you plan to apply LSP afterwards.
 
Octopiston said:
If you are having to top an aio, why use an aio?
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Well, you don't HAVE to but as it's my own DD a little extra protection doesn't hurt and these 2 go together perfectly (adding a wax/sealant combo for the best of both worlds).

*says 3D and the research I've done at least. I can't talk from experience of longevity yet
 
custmsprty said:
If you use a coating, why top a coating? But you see posts all over this forum doing just that.
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I don't do that either, but with speed you see people specifically topping and recommending a topper because its durability is low. For me, having to do add a step to top negates using an aio over a polish. Why use a jack of all trades/master of none product if you are spending the same amount of time and effort that you could use products that are masters of the their trade? Then you have the aspect that you are topping a low durability sealant with a higher durability sealant, which is the opposite of what is recommended.

Now compare to McKee's 360 that I've gotten an easy 5 month protection from without topping. No it doesn't cut as well, but there again if I need more cut...I'll use a product designed for that instead of an aio.
It all makes me wonder why it is so highly recommended. Do people not care about durability of the sealant because it cuts and glazes well, or are they just following with the herd?
 
Octopiston said:
I don't do that either, but with speed you see people specifically topping and recommending a topper because its durability is low. For me, having to do add a step to top negates using an aio over a polish. Why use a jack of all trades/master of none product if you are spending the same amount of time and effort that you could use products that are masters of the their trade? Then you have the aspect that you are topping a low durability sealant with a higher durability sealant, which is the opposite of what is recommended.

Now compare to McKee's 360 that I've gotten an easy 5 month protection from without topping. No it doesn't cut as well, but there again if I need more cut...I'll use a product designed for that instead of an aio.
It all makes me wonder why it is so highly recommended. Do people not care about durability of the sealant because it cuts and glazes well, or are they just following with the herd?
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From what I seen, Speed works great. The results people are getting are fantastic. No denying that.

I do however see it getting recommended outside of what would be considered practical, like in place of a cutting compound, etc. I can only attribute that to a sort of "bandwagon" effect because it does work so well in it's intended application.

Also, before he parted with 3D, David Fermani recommended allowing Speed to sit for 15 or 20 min on the paint, before wiping off. This to allow the polymers to crosslink to the paint.

As far as topping and All In One... Not my normal practice, although I have topped ColorX with NXT a number of years ago.
 
Octopiston said:
I don't do that either, but with speed you see people specifically topping and recommending a topper because its durability is low. For me, having to do add a step to top negates using an aio over a polish. Why use a jack of all trades/master of none product if you are spending the same amount of time and effort that you could use products that are masters of the their trade? Then you have the aspect that you are topping a low durability sealant with a higher durability sealant, which is the opposite of what is recommended.

Now compare to McKee's 360 that I've gotten an easy 5 month protection from without topping. No it doesn't cut as well, but there again if I need more cut...I'll use a product designed for that instead of an aio.
It all makes me wonder why it is so highly recommended. Do people not care about durability of the sealant because it cuts and glazes well, or are they just following with the herd?
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For me, it was a few things.

1. It was my first time using the DA polisher (and HD Speed for that matter), so I didn't know if I would feel like waxing after washing, prepping, polishing honestly.
2. The cut was enough to take most imperfections out, so as a polish it worked pretty good for me actually
3. the sealant in the Speed is just that, a sealant. The Poxy is a wax/sealant hybrid, so you get the look of wax which many times leaves a deeper looking paint then a sealant I'm told. Seemed to be accurate when I tried it with this combo.
 
Again, no one is talking about durability with speed. That is half the job of an AIO! So it corrects well. So does a polish. How is it at the other half of it's intended purpose? If it isn't a good sealant, then is it not basically a polish instead of an aio? Why would something that can only do half the intended job, or task it was designed to do, a benchmark? I'm not knocking speed, but seeing that it only does one job well, it just seems a bit over hyped. I wouldn't consider M360 as a benchmark either. It protects great, but I'd like a bit more correction out of it before calling it a benchmark.

People also talk of the cut. 3D calls it an aio correction glaze. I'm genuinely asking here. Is it really great at correcting, or decent with great fillers? Has anyone ever done an ipa wipe to see?
 
Octopiston said:
Again, no one is talking about durability with speed. That is half the job of an AIO! So it corrects well. So does a polish. How is it at the other half of it's intended purpose? If it isn't a good sealant, then is it not basically a polish instead of an aio? Why would something that can only do half the intended job, or task it was designed to do, a benchmark? I'm not knocking speed, but seeing that it only does one job well, it just seems a bit over hyped. I wouldn't consider M360 as a benchmark either. It protects great, but I'd like a bit more correction out of it before calling it a benchmark.

People also talk of the cut. 3D calls it an aio correction glaze. I'm genuinely asking here. Is it really great at correcting, or decent with great fillers? Has anyone ever done an ipa wipe to see?
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Mike Phillips posted this recently showing just how effective HD Speed is at correcting.

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...tion-detailing-mike-phillips.html#post1498706

Note his first paragraph and "fillers" which Speed doesn't have and he addresses it.

"These are true results, the swirls and scratches are not merely filled in."

Another key thing with Speed is not to wipe it off as you apply it but to let it cure for at least 30 minutes. This allows the sealant to set up and adds to the longevity.
 
custmsprty said:
If you use a coating, why top a coating? But you see posts all over this forum doing just that.
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Octopiston said:
If you are having to top an aio, why use an aio?
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Bob
 
custmsprty said:
"These are true results, the swirls and scratches are not merely filled in."
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I GUARANTEE HD SPEED DOES fill to some extent. 99% of polishes fill. To say a polish WITH a wax does not fill is inaccurate. I'm not saying SPEED doesn't correct, but micro-marring and some defects may be filled.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
I GUARANTEE HD SPEED DOES fill to some extent. 99% of polishes fill. To say a polish WITH a wax does not fill is inaccurate.
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Quote my whole post:

Mike Phillips posted this recently showing just how effective HD Speed is at correcting.

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ml#post1498706

Note his first paragraph and "fillers" which Speed doesn't have and he addresses it.

"These are true results, the swirls and scratches are not merely filled in."

Another key thing with Speed is not to wipe it off as you apply it but to let it cure for at least 30 minutes. This allows the sealant to set up and adds to the longevity.
 
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