So for all "one-step" products, not just Blackfire, a coating would not be a good idea after the vehicle is done?
If you're going to apply a coating then you do not want to use product that contain protection ingredients. It defeats the purpose of applying a coating and creates more work for you as "protection ingredients" are more difficult to remove than polishing oils.
Cleaner Wax/All-In-One/AIO = Products that most detailers and forum members think of when referring to a product that "Cleans, Polishes, Protects"
Examples: HD Speed, Griot's Finishing Sealant, D166 Ultra Polishing Wax
One Step = Products designed to fill the gap between a heavy correction compound and a fine finishing polish. They generally will not cut as much as a heavy correction compound nor will they finish to the level of an extremely fine finishing polish.
The benefit of a 1-step compound/polish is being able to have ONE product that's cutting/finishing capabilities can be tailored depending on the goal of the 1-step. If finish is more important, use a foam polishing pad. Or if you're looking for more cut, you can pair it with microfiber or foam heavy cutting pads. They are generally body shop safe and don't contain and waxes, silicones, or fillers.
Examples: Boss Correcting Cream, HD Adapt, Scholl Concepts S20 Black, Sonax Cut & Finish.
As technology improves, that is as abrasive technology improves, there are certainly compound/polishes on the market that do a great job of doing both major correction work while finishing out like a polish and "yes" the masses do tend to refer to these as one-step products.
I see and hear and read the confusion this term (one-step) is creating as some people consider the term one-step to mean a product that does ALL the steps including, compounding, polishing and protecting, not just the prep steps of compounding and polishing.
I also don't think it's a big deal and I also don't think its anything that can be fixed. So it's up to each person to figure out either what someone else is talking about or it's up to each of us to explain ourselves clearly when we speak and type and that's an skill set that I'm sad to say seems to becoming more and more rare in this day and age of social media. :laughing: --> see the movie Idiocracy --> it's an example of art becoming reality.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think of it quite the same way. For me, "1 step" always has and will continue to be another term for an AIO aka cleaner wax.
The terms 1 step/AIO/cleaner wax have been engraved in my head as meaning the same thing.
Going back over 10yrs ago, Meguiars used a very similar term on their label of D151 PRC, which of course is a cleaner wax or AIO or in this case a "One Liquid Solution"
And their latest version of AIO/cleaner wax D166 takes it even closer on its label calling it "One Step Solution"
IMO 1 Step means 1 Step. Not this 1 step, but then I have to lay down my "Last Step Protection"... No no, that totally contradicts the whole "1 step" that you were just talking about. Might as well be 5 more steps since the title doesn't actually matter.
I tend to agree and think like you as it relates to the term one-step but once the Geni is let out of the bottle it's hard to put "it" back in. See what I wrote above.
@Mwoywod. I'm not directing that last part towards you, I'm just sort of thinking out loud from an outsiders perspective if for example a detailer had just showed me that kind of "1 step"
I'd advise him to rethink what he calls it.
Ditto
Super nice review Mike, thank you.
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Sweet ride too to be honest.
Thanks buddy...
I know some think I only like to work on old cool cars but the truth is I take what I have. I actually like to work on any cool car - age is not an influencer for the most part. I would say that I'm lazy however and old "cool" cars don't have stupid plastic trim to deal with. Advantage old cars.
Mike, you mention it has a nice long working time, tell me - did you notice much of a difference in results the longer you worked it or does it have an optimum time frame?
Great question - Long work time seems to be a benefit as the product turns into a
jewelling wax. I did not see a downside for buffing longer for this specific product and that would be due to the abrasive technology.
As a "Pro" detailing shop, I am always looking for that perfect AIO. This one from Blackfire is very appealing to me.
Aaryn NZ. :dblthumb2:
Somewhere on this forum, in the last year I shared some insight for all companies, ours and everyone one else in the market. Here's the jist of what I wrote,
Every serious player in this industry needs to have 2 cleaner/waxes in their line or offerings....
1: A light cleaner/wax.
2: A medium cleaner/wax
And of course - when I use the
TERM cleaner/wax I don't mean the protection ingredients are specifically WAX just that the product,
- Corrects
- Polishes
- Protects
The term cleaner/SEALANT does not
roll off the lips, it doesn't roll off the keyboard and most people have know idea what you're talking about unless they are AR to the max in the car detailing world.
A light cleaner/wax is good for just what the name states, light cleaning. A medium cleaner/wax is for tackling neglected projects FAST. All serious players should have both, just my opinion and especially so if the companies in question don't have great abrasive technology to start with.
I got me some...!!!
Bought:
Blackfire AIO
Blackfire polish
Blackfire sealant
Will share info when I get a chance to use these...
Thinking of doing 2 hellcats with these. Hope these will bring out the best! Not sure which direction I will go yet. Owner may opt for a coating. And this will change things...
Later,
Tom
Already looking forward to your write-up Tom!
You da man!
Im the MAN
