New mid engine Corvette. July 18th.

For me: Driving vehicles that have ‘modern
manuals’—what with their computer aided
rev-matching, and other automated functions—
really pale in comparison to the satisfaction that
I once derived from actually rev-matching manually.


With that in mind:
This guy was good; very good!
(Try to do this in computer-aided manuals.)



Bob
 
I do not understand why automakers are moving away from manual transmissions. When the C7 came out, the automatic transmissions were full of issues and the manual transmissions did just fine.

I understand they are quicker, but it is up to the consumer if those 0.2 secs are worth it or not. I'd kill to have a manual car, but unfortunately they are becoming rarer and rarer.

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DETAILROOKIE said:
I do not understand why automakers are moving away from manual transmissions. When the C7 came out, the automatic transmissions were full of issues and the manual transmissions did just fine.

I understand they are quicker, but it is up to the consumer if those 0.2 secs are worth it or not. I'd kill to have a manual car, but unfortunately they are becoming rarer and rarer.

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In my experiences lately, most kids that I have worked with under the age of 30 have zero ability to drive a manual.

Like I said....... Most.

One of my service advisors (26, but grew up with cars and a dad who cared) can drive anything made.
 
Klasse Act said:
I know the manual is going away in these perf cars but it would've been nice for the "real" driving fans out there to offer this in that C8, try and NOT be like the competition:idea:

I was talking to Derek0609 this afternoon about the C8 and I just can't get into this car, I really wish I could point to "something" about it but IMO this was 60 years in the making and I just don't get it. I mean Lamborghini had what, 2-3 years to introduce the Miura after its debut of their first car, lucky swing....nah, then the Countach came out 5-6 years later and the original one of those was insane, then shoeboxes and picnic tables were added to it then it became a poster child, weird.
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People don't buy manual transmissions they just talk about it. I mean you have the DCT on your Elantra right?

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PaulMys said:
In my experiences lately, most kids that I have worked with under the age of 30 have zero ability to drive a manual.

Like I said....... Most.

One of my service advisors (26, but grew up with cars and a dad who cared) can drive anything made.
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It is sad. Everyone should be able to drive a stick. Both of my boys will if I can find a manual 13 years from now.

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PaulMys said:
How many gears did those
Model A's have, Bob?
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I started out with the 3 “speed”
on-the-floor with no synchronizers.

It required Soft-hand shifting only:
A practice that came in handy when
I had a 1971 Duster equipped with
an unsynchronized 3-on-the-tree.

Good times. ��


Bob
 
bfielder32087 said:
People don't buy manual transmissions they just talk about it. I mean you have the DCT on your Elantra right?

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My car was bought as a CPO, couldn't find a 6 spd. That said, if I bought it brand new it WOULD have 3 pedals! This is the first Auto I've had since my Honda Fit in the fall of 2011.

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Klasse Act said:
My car was bought as a CPO, couldn't find a 6 spd. That said, if I bought it brand new it WOULD have 3 pedals! This is the first Auto I've had since my Honda Fit in the fall of 2011.

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Yeah I get it. My comment was just directed towards you. I just hear or read tons of people saying yeah if X car was a stick I'd buy it. Just seems like a lot of BS. The market has spoken. People don't want to drive a stick.

Other than "being a real man" and the other nonsense the benefits of driving a stick VS an auto just don't exist anymore. Back in the day with older tech and crappy 4 speed autos getting the manual made sense. Better performance, better MPG, more reliable. That's just not really the case anymore. Also as mentioned above modern manual transmissions with all of the fancy rev matching, and poor clutch feel just aren't all that great anymore. The "driving pleasure" with most modern standards just doesn't really exist the way it used to.

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My car only comes in a 6 speed manual. I had a ZF 8 speed auto (awesome tranny, btw) before it and hated it.

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Problem is with manuals..... no one buys them. Well not enough to matter. If we did automakers would make them in droves. To expensive to redevelop and have separate assembly lines to install for the few thousands they might sell.

No demand.....no supply....


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DETAILROOKIE said:
It is sad. Everyone should be able to drive a stick. Both of my boys will if I can find a manual 13 years from now.

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Lucky if you’ll be able to find a car they can manually steer by then....


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I know how much better the autos are today but 3 pedals are 3 pedals, it's great to do it yourself, it's not always about performance

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Not sure which hair band sings the song, Tesla maybe (how ironic) but "Don't know what you've got till its gone'.

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Klasse Act said:
I know how much better the autos are today but 3 pedals are 3 pedals, it's great to do it yourself, it's not always about performance

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It is all about performance though.
 
I understand the appeal of a stick, but don't understand the love affair. Yes it's more of a drivers car, but it's inconvenient. With the exception of the track car, most people are driving to get somewhere. And maybe they want to drink their coffee in the morning while doing so. So for a long time the argument was that the stick was faster and now that's not true. Many auto's can be put in manual mode and the paddle shifter option used if you really desire it.

Personally, i can drive stick but don't own one. And when I want to really get out and become one with the road I take the crotch rocket and shift away ;)
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Problem is with manuals..... no one buys them. Well not enough to matter. If we did automakers would make them in droves. To expensive to redevelop and have separate assembly lines to install for the few thousands they might sell.

No demand.....no supply....
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Very good points, but another hurdle and one that is sometimes harder and more expensive is the EPA certification of the car. An automaker has to pay to have each unique engine/transmission combination certified. By offering both an auto/dual clutch and a manual transmission version of each car they essentially double their certification costs for what is potentially a very low take rate.

Performance cars from major manufacturers are typically very low profit margin vehicles. Every penny counts.

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I know how much better the autos are today but 3 pedals are 3 pedals, it's great to do it yourself, it's not always about performance
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So very true. I never really appreciated the performance improvement until I recently drove an M2 with the DCT. It was very easy to drive hard any shift with my fingertips on the paddles vs having to take a hand off the wheel and row a shift lever and it was obviously far faster than I could ever shift. The whole process seemed really natural.

All that said. When I'm driving down a twisty, remote, back road somewhere, it is all about the experience and all I want is that physical connection to what the car is doing.
 
Belo said:
I understand the appeal of a stick, but don't understand the love affair. Yes it's more of a drivers car, but it's inconvenient. With the exception of the track car, most people are driving to get somewhere. And maybe they want to drink their coffee in the morning while doing so. So for a long time the argument was that the stick was faster and now that's not true. Many auto's can be put in manual mode and the paddle shifter option used if you really desire it.

Personally, i can drive stick but don't own one. And when I want to really get out and become one with the road I take the crotch rocket and shift away ;)
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I think it comes down to perspective and what people enjoy. I personally don't find shifting inconvenient and actually enjoy every moment behind the wheel whether I'm making a short run to the store, driving to work in the morning, or blasting down a deserted road. Days I get to spend doing autocross or a track day are simply icing on the cake. Every moment offers an opportunity to enjoy the simple act of driving. I'll sometimes take the long way or just a different route to experience something new. Rowing my own gears is a part of the experience.
 
I wish someone who doesn't get the whole stick thing to get behind the wheel or my old Abarth and then something like a 67' Firbird with a 400 4 spd

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