acuRAS82
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I’ve got nothing but love for you, brother.
Same!
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Same!
DetailZeus
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This right here. I'll also judge on the baggie test, and the very subjective "how easy did that bird bomb/bug splat clean off after it sat for awhile."
But if the product *starts* with great water beading and the beading degrades, then I just assume the product (and any other characteristics) has also degraded.
Eldorado2k
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It’s 2020... You’d think we’d be able to post videos straight from our phones on here. Smh.
acuRAS82
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Here is a video from today showing my hose ‘flat’ spray setting. It’s less flooding and more of a touchless car wash style spray.
And for whatever it’s worth, Cancoat beads great but the beads remain while car is stationary. The 360 portion on horizontal panels sheets off 98% of water. More of that beading versus sheeting talk... but when the car is in motion, the Cancoat beads fly off pretty quickly.
Note: my lack of ability to flood the roof (hose sprayer is rusted on the house attachment) makes it hard for me to do a classic standstill sheeting comparison.
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And for whatever it’s worth, Cancoat beads great but the beads remain while car is stationary. The 360 portion on horizontal panels sheets off 98% of water. More of that beading versus sheeting talk... but when the car is in motion, the Cancoat beads fly off pretty quickly.
Note: my lack of ability to flood the roof (hose sprayer is rusted on the house attachment) makes it hard for me to do a classic standstill sheeting comparison.
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acuRAS82
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And a few pics from this morning after rain last night. Still alive, in these bloodshot eyes.
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Eldorado2k
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I’m very surprised at how the water behavior went from being able to pool on the surface when spraying it with the shower setting as shown in these pics.
To what the water behavior was the next day in the video you posted.^^
That’s quite an anomaly.
Or was the water behavior in those 1st pics from the pre rinse before washing the vehicle? Until now I was under the assumption that the rinse was after washing took place..
To what the water behavior was the next day in the video you posted.^^
That’s quite an anomaly.
Or was the water behavior in those 1st pics from the pre rinse before washing the vehicle? Until now I was under the assumption that the rinse was after washing took place..
acuRAS82
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@Eldorado2k:
The pictures you show above where you call 360 dead, those are after Hyperwash, on ‘shower’ setting on Saturday 5/30.
The video is that same night (5/30) after some pollen accumulation, but more importantly in my opinion, on ‘flat’ setting with is like a fast hitting flat shower.
I then washed the car with Hyperwash that same night (5/30, second roof wash that day).
Then the rain pics are after the car had sat around outside for 1.5 days and accumulated a decent amount of dust/pollen (Monday 6/1, but note that prime pollen season has ended).
So in summary, either the 360 looks/behaves better when dirty (video and post rain), or the shower setting on my hose, in combination with the water in my area, causes some undesirable looking water behavior. Based on my other horizontal tests I’ve been doing, I’m already aware that the shower setting doesn’t give LSPs their best look on horizontal panels... pretty funky.
The pictures you show above where you call 360 dead, those are after Hyperwash, on ‘shower’ setting on Saturday 5/30.
The video is that same night (5/30) after some pollen accumulation, but more importantly in my opinion, on ‘flat’ setting with is like a fast hitting flat shower.
I then washed the car with Hyperwash that same night (5/30, second roof wash that day).
Then the rain pics are after the car had sat around outside for 1.5 days and accumulated a decent amount of dust/pollen (Monday 6/1, but note that prime pollen season has ended).
So in summary, either the 360 looks/behaves better when dirty (video and post rain), or the shower setting on my hose, in combination with the water in my area, causes some undesirable looking water behavior. Based on my other horizontal tests I’ve been doing, I’m already aware that the shower setting doesn’t give LSPs their best look on horizontal panels... pretty funky.
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I think the general takeaway here is that there are many variables with regards to paint, chemicals, environment etc. This is something we all know. I'm glad that this thread shows 2 different results and as a result I would urge users who are looking to try a new AIO to give it a shot and add their testimony.
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What is your process before laying down your base sealent or wax (every 3 months). I noticed you had said that you dont polish prior. Do you do anything particular prior, or just lay it down over the maintenance waxes? *****im still trying to figure out how to "quote" only portions of someones post. Not sure if its possible using the mobile tapatalk app i use.....TBO the liquid sealant I personally use and what I consider to be the best liquid sealant ever created is a product that was discontinued about 5yrs. ago... I was able to predict it would be discontinued just before it happened and managed to pick up enough to last me the rest of my life.
It’s the same stuff you see beading on the passenger side of the roof in the experiment I posted earlier in this thread.
How was I able to predict it would soon be discontinued? Easy, it was too good to be true. And when you have that then you also have the risk of the manufacturer somehow being dumb enough to discontinue it and that’s exactly what they did... Same exact thing happened to the TW Endura Tire Coating and there still doesn’t exist a tire product that can match what it was pound for pound.
I’ve never found another liquid sealant that can match it all things considered.. But if I were to recommend something that Should work I guess things like Collonite come to mind? However I’m pretty sure that’s technically a durable carnuba wax and therefore wouldn’t pair best with my other recommendation to go with it, which is Beadmaker.
So because of that I guess I’d probably recommend something like Meguiars Ultimate Fast Finish as a base layer then topped with Beadmaker as a drying aid every single time the truck is washed [that includes quik detail wipedowns and waterless washes] Every 1-2 weeks with some Beadmaker and at least 4 times per year a dedicated base layer with the Meguiars Ultimate Fast Finish.
That process Shouldn’t need any special reseting or re starting from scratch which is something I always like to not have to constantly do.
That’s exactly how I treat my own car. I just make sure to lay down that dedicated layer of sealant every 3 months, no special prep needed, I certainly don’t have to polish my car for the foreseeable future unless I have somekind of burning desire to have fun [which we can all relate to]
P.S. Based on your own current description saying that the “gloss is great” tells me that you maintain it washed and clean at most times and that alone will carry it much futher than the same truck left in the hands of an owner doesn’t care or have the time to keep their truck anywhere near as clean as yours.
Keep that in mind and you’ll see you have almost nothing to actually worry about.
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I've been using Hydro Blue after each wash. The beading is poor and I experienced yet more etching from bird droppings that were there for 2 days. (having a hard time removing it) Not impressed at all with McKee's. I even use their soap.
These pics are 2 weeks after a wash, give or take a few days. This is the least durable product I've used. TWSNS had superior durability. Same conditions. Possibly worse conditions.
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These pics are 2 weeks after a wash, give or take a few days. This is the least durable product I've used. TWSNS had superior durability. Same conditions. Possibly worse conditions.
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That’s correct, no prep needed, just a simple bucket wash & dry and apply a new layer of sealant over the maintenance wax [Beadmaker]
Contrary to popular belief, The same can be done with just about every sealant or wax. IMO the “need” for an IPA wipe of any sort of special prep before applying a new lsp is an old wives tale... The real important thing is to ensure the surface is free of any bonded contaminants.
As far as quoting just a portion of someones post via Tapatalk: Yes it’s very easy, all you have to do is “edit” the quote, but make sure to leave the beginning and end of the quote in tact so that it posts correctly.
Eldorado2k
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What I mean by leaving the beginning and end of the quote in tact is you don’t want to change the part that’s in parentheses... So you’re free to edit everything in between the words “yup” and “Tapatalk” in this example. But you don’t want to mess with what’s contained in the parentheses or it won’t post correctly.
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The beading of Hydro Blue is good though right after initial rinse, correct? It always beads real nice at first for me but I never let it sit to check durability (mostly use on my wheels every wash).
If you are using Hydro Blue on top of 360, I would imagine it’s not bonding well at all. It’s really meant for a bare service or coating topper. If you are only getting a few weeks of poor beading on bare paint I would be surprised, but not too surprised with it doing that on top of 360.
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Right. The beading initially is good. But it drops off dramatically a week or so later. I have 360 on it, then use the HB on top. I'm out of the HB now so I will just continue to wash the car the remainder of the year and probably apply something different come next winter.
acuRAS82
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If you think the 360 dies prior, do you have anything else to put on as LSP before fall?
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From what I've seen, I don't see any AIOs really lasting a long time, period. Or at least I haven't been introduced to one that does.
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I'll likely go back to TW Seal N Shine. Incredible value. Held up far better than the McKee's. Not even close.