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All good Deyon, I know exactly where you're coming from. We see all the good stuff they get OS, and it either never comes here, is really expensive when it does, or is out of date by the time we get it. For us, this goes for everything from detailing supplies and equipment, all the way up to the actual vehicles we would like. I'd love to get me a Camaro SS, but $100k plus is not going to happen.

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Being a Ford man, I find it very disappointing how head office treats the local arm, and in the process, it's customers as well.

Australia is the largest export market for Mustang, and yet we get given the scraps. Be that production volume or watered-down versions of the car itself, nor did they bother allowing Australian customers the chance to buy the GT-350 and GT-500 despite the demand being there. I have watched some wait 2 years to get a Mustang, several having their allocations cancelled at no notice. That's a two year wait for a Ford!

I recently found out that allocations for the new S650 Mustang have been delayed for Australia, with no production being scheduled until next year. At this point, I'm losing interest and have eyes looking elsewhere.
 
Being a Ford man, I find it very disappointing how head office treats the local arm, and in the process, it's customers as well.

Australia is the largest export market for Mustang, and yet we get given the scraps. Be that production volume or watered-down versions of the car itself, nor did they bother allowing Australian customers the chance to buy the GT-350 and GT-500 despite the demand being there. I have watched some wait 2 years to get a Mustang, several having their allocations cancelled at no notice. That's a two year wait for a Ford!

I recently found out that allocations for the new S650 Mustang have been delayed for Australia, with no production being scheduled until next year. At this point, I'm losing interest and have eyes looking elsewhere.
Ford Australia only seems interested in selling Rangers and Everests. I still haven't seen anything that I find more interesting to me than my FJ.

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All good Deyon, I know exactly where you're coming from. We see all the good stuff they get OS, and it either never comes here, is really expensive when it does, or is out of date by the time we get it. For us, this goes for everything from detailing supplies and equipment, all the way up to the actual vehicles we would like. I'd love to get me a Camaro SS, but $100k plus is not going to happen.

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Funny how we all like cars that are not available or priced high not originating from our countries.

Just looked… a 2019 is 119k Aud. That is 79k for a SS. You can get a new 2023 ZL1 for a little less here.

At least you can get and drive them there. Cars not from the US you can’t get road legal till there 25 years old.

Mustangs seem a little more reasonable. Is because there is one made for Australia and the Camaro has to be converted?


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Being a Ford man, I find it very disappointing how head office treats the local arm, and in the process, it's customers as well.

Australia is the largest export market for Mustang, and yet we get given the scraps. Be that production volume or watered-down versions of the car itself, nor did they bother allowing Australian customers the chance to buy the GT-350 and GT-500 despite the demand being there. I have watched some wait 2 years to get a Mustang, several having their allocations cancelled at no notice. That's a two year wait for a Ford!

I recently found out that allocations for the new S650 Mustang have been delayed for Australia, with no production being scheduled until next year. At this point, I'm losing interest and have eyes looking elsewhere.

GR Supra


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Deyon...can I make a suggestion The color is Isle of Mann Green, base model because it's available w/ manual, has AWESOME OEM wheels and fits you to a T

You know the car I'm sure

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Funny how we all like cars that are not available or priced high not originating from our countries.

Just looked… a 2019 is 119k Aud. That is 79k for a SS. You can get a new 2023 ZL1 for a little less here.

At least you can get and drive them there. Cars not from the US you can’t get road legal till there 25 years old.

Mustangs seem a little more reasonable. Is because there is one made for Australia and the Camaro has to be converted?


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Ok, this is a complex issue, so here I go................

More than a decade ago, Ford decided to take the Mustang global, in the process investing in making it left AND right-hand-drive. For the first time, a Mustang could be sold in Australia and the UK without a right-hand-drive conversion.



Focusing on Australia, the Mustang was actually right-hand drive converted twice in the history of the model. The first was back in 1965 and 1966 to help promote the coming new Falcon, which was at the time described as the "Mustang bred Falcon". These cars were actually converted in the Homebush by a subcontractor. The second time was the 2000 - 2003 Mustang Cobra, both Coupe and Convertible were converted at Tickford, Ford's official performance shop. In both cases, these cars attracted a substantial price markup to cover the cost of the conversion.



Returning to the current and incoming Mustang, having the car manufactured in RHD from the get-go allowed Ford Australia to price the car very competitively back in 2015 when it launched. Combined with the death of our own muscle cars, the response was an instant waiting lists stretching out to 12+ months. Also, the Mustang attracted many to the Ford brand that would have once never even thought of stepping into a Ford dealer. I ordered mine in early 2016 and got the car in early 2017. The factory eventually caught up and wait times were much more realistic. Then the pandemic hit, and the following supply constraints meant that wait times were back out to 12 to 18 months............on a run-out, style driven model. Unheard of in the car industry when dealing with Coupe's like this.

All of the above contrasts to how GM and Dodge/FCA/Stellantis/Whatever they are calling themselves this week decided to approach their muscle cars. They stuck to LHD, despite there being demand for these vehicles outside of the US market. So, any that did make their way to Australia were converted to RHD by a third party. In the case of the Camaro, a couple of years ago Walkinshaw/HSV/GMSV did manage to import and convert these vehicles to be sold through the Holden/GM dealer network, but they commanded a hefty price premium over the Mustang and sales remained subdued and ultimately the model was quietly dropped.



I know this will come across as a heavily biased comment, but think about this logically............... Ford really won the battle with their approach to the muscle car segment. GM and Dodge kept their head down and did what they always had done. Ford knew they were going to need to find ways to add volume to the Mustang line and make it a viable model going forward. By taking it global, they ensured the Mustang had a future. GM have now killed the Camaro, likely to return as an electric SUV, and Dodge are making their cars electric...........because that is what muscle car buyers want? :doh:
 
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Maybe......................

Deyon...can I make a suggestion The color is Isle of Mann Green, base model because it's available w/ manual, has AWESOME OEM wheels and fits you to a T

You know the car I'm sure

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If it's the car you are referring to, the G80 M3/4, absolutely not! While I have been known to be drawn to vehicles with questionable styling, Google AU Falcon, that front end design is hideous and I just can't see myself growing to like it. Not to mention being out of my price range.

The thing I like about the Mustang is the long bonnet profile and the fact it's such a blank canvas. I also really, really like that Ford have kept the V8 naturally aspirated.

There are a couple of cars have my attention, all would mean shopping pre-owned though -

Outgoing BMW M2 - always had a thing for BMW inline 6's and I think the M2 is the final M model true to type.



Toyota Supra - again, BMW inline 6 and a gearbox I really like (ZF 8-speed). Styling is challenging but more desirable the BMW beaver teeth.



Jaguar F-Type - sadly, even used examples of the V8 model are waaay out of my price range, so the supercharged V6 would be it for me. Styling, steering feel and exhaust note are all box tickers.



Lastly, I would really like to own a 6-cylinder Porsche. Resale on the 911 puts it out of my budget, but I would be more than happy to have a Cayman or Boxter S.

All of those would involve trading the new car experience for a used car. Brand new Mustang or used European sports car. Confused. :confused:
 
It begins...........................:props:



 
So Deyon, have you considered a "modern classic" car

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Ok, this is a complex issue, so here I go................

More than a decade ago, Ford decided to take the Mustang global, in the process investing in making it left AND right-hand-drive. For the first time, a Mustang could be sold in Australia and the UK without a right-hand-drive conversion.



Focusing on Australia, the Mustang was actually right-hand drive converted twice in the history of the model. The first was back in 1965 and 1966 to help promote the coming new Falcon, which was at the time described as the "Mustang bred Falcon". These cars were actually converted in the Homebush by a subcontractor. The second time was the 2000 - 2003 Mustang Cobra, both Coupe and Convertible were converted at Tickford, Ford's official performance shop. In both cases, these cars attracted a substantial price markup to cover the cost of the conversion.



Returning to the current and incoming Mustang, having the car manufactured in RHD from the get-go allowed Ford Australia to price the car very competitively back in 2015 when it launched. Combined with the death of our own muscle cars, the response was an instant waiting lists stretching out to 12+ months. Also, the Mustang attracted many to the Ford brand that would have once never even thought of stepping into a Ford dealer. I ordered mine in early 2016 and got the car in early 2017. The factory eventually caught up and wait times were much more realistic. Then the pandemic hit, and the following supply constraints meant that wait times were back out to 12 to 18 months............on a run-out, style driven model. Unheard of in the car industry when dealing with Coupe's like this.

All of the above contrasts to how GM and Dodge/FCA/Stellantis/Whatever they are calling themselves this week decided to approach their muscle cars. They stuck to LHD, despite there being demand for these vehicles outside of the US market. So, any that did make their way to Australia were converted to RHD by a third party. In the case of the Camaro, a couple of years ago Walkinshaw/HSV/GMSV did manage to import and convert these vehicles to be sold through the Holden/GM dealer network, but they commanded a hefty price premium over the Mustang and sales remained subdued and ultimately the model was quietly dropped.



I know this will come across as a heavily biased comment, but think about this logically............... Ford really won the battle with their approach to the muscle car segment. GM and Dodge kept their head down and did what they always had done. Ford knew they were going to need to find ways to add volume to the Mustang line and make it a viable model going forward. By taking it global, they ensured the Mustang had a future. GM have now killed the Camaro, likely to return as an electric SUV, and Dodge are making their cars electric...........because that is what muscle car buyers want? :doh:

This will be last Gen mustang. I don’t love it in pics. But before I bought the chevelle was thinking of ordering a c8 on launch. Loved it in pics. Then when launched I was glad I didn’t because the don’t like it in person.

I hope I’m wrong about new mustang. I absolutely love the Camaro but that makes stand will be the last hurrah great American muscle car.


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Maybe......................



If it's the car you are referring to, the G80 M3/4, absolutely not! While I have been known to be drawn to vehicles with questionable styling, Google AU Falcon, that front end design is hideous and I just can't see myself growing to like it. Not to mention being out of my price range.

The thing I like about the Mustang is the long bonnet profile and the fact it's such a blank canvas. I also really, really like that Ford have kept the V8 naturally aspirated.

There are a couple of cars have my attention, all would mean shopping pre-owned though -

Outgoing BMW M2 - always had a thing for BMW inline 6's and I think the M2 is the final M model true to type.



Toyota Supra - again, BMW inline 6 and a gearbox I really like (ZF 8-speed). Styling is challenging but more desirable the BMW beaver teeth.



Jaguar F-Type - sadly, even used examples of the V8 model are waaay out of my price range, so the supercharged V6 would be it for me. Styling, steering feel and exhaust note are all box tickers.



Lastly, I would really like to own a 6-cylinder Porsche. Resale on the 911 puts it out of my budget, but I would be more than happy to have a Cayman or Boxter S.

All of those would involve trading the new car experience for a used car. Brand new Mustang or used European sports car. Confused. :confused:

Cayman would be sweet too.


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What is a “ modern classic”?


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I know the term sounds odd and maybe it's because I'm 53 yrs old now but something you remember when they were new and now their 20 yrs old, up to say 35 yrs old even but had tech that's still relevant today, here's a couple examples of what I consider a "modern classic"...

-BMW E36/46/92 M3
-Nissan GT-R (R32/33/34)
-Mazda Rx-7 FD
-Honda S2000

...to name a few

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So Deyon, have you considered a "modern classic" car

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I know the term sounds odd and maybe it's because I'm 53 yrs old now but something you remember when they were new and now their 20 yrs old, up to say 35 yrs old even but had tech that's still relevant today, here's a couple examples of what I consider a "modern classic"...

-BMW E36/46/92 M3
-Nissan GT-R (R32/33/34)
-Mazda Rx-7 FD
-Honda S2000

...to name a few

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Ok, I'm with you now.............and yes, I have considered this.

Top of that list would be a E46 M3 or the Z4M. It's all about the engine for me with those cars, have always loved that engine and is arguably the world's best ever inline 6. I get the shivers every time I hear one of these..................







Obviously that was the carbon air-boxed CSL, but they all sound glorious.
 
This will be last Gen mustang. I don’t love it in pics. But before I bought the chevelle was thinking of ordering a c8 on launch. Loved it in pics. Then when launched I was glad I didn’t because the don’t like it in person.

I hope I’m wrong about new mustang. I absolutely love the Camaro but that makes stand will be the last hurrah great American muscle car.


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The S550 design set a very high bar, so anything that came after was always going to be a challenge. What I love most about the S550 is the perfectly executed body sculpting, most prominent when viewed side on. I also preferred the pre-facelift version in all it's pure glory.



Initially, I did not love the new S650, mainly because they toned down the crisp body lines................. but it has grown on me.
 
Ok, I'm with you now.............and yes, I have considered this.

Top of that list would be a E46 M3 or the Z4M. It's all about the engine for me with those cars, have always loved that engine and is arguably the world's best ever inline 6. I get the shivers every time I hear one of these..................







Obviously that was the carbon air-boxed CSL, but they all sound glorious.
Funny thing, I was looking at Z4s online just the other day, not the M obviously, but my curiosity made me look. I would like a convertible at some point, but I think I would only go for a folding metal roof.

Also, I sat in my first Mustang today, getting in was interesting, but found it easier getting out. Remember I'm used to getting up into my car rather than way down. It was cool, but I don't think it's for me. I was checking out the local Nissan dealer, I have to get the Qashqai towed after a failed jump start, and they had a second hand Mustang on the lot, so I had to check it out, I believe the colour was called Magnetic, they wanted $58k for it.
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Deyon, what color E46 M3 is your favorite

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Deyon, what color E46 M3 is your favorite

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Easily Laguna Seca Blue, but I do like Pheonix Yellow and Oxford Green too.

 
Easily Laguna Seca Blue, but I do like Pheonix Yellow and Oxford Green too.

Deyon, I know you listened to the podcast I was a regular guest on but you do know what you posted here was on my "modern classic" list right That right there is not only perfection from BMW but my all time favorite BMW ever!

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Deyon, I know you listened to the podcast I was a regular guest on but you do know what you posted here was on my "modern classic" list right That right there is not only perfection from BMW but my all time favorite BMW ever!

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The first and only BMW I have ever driven was a E46 322Ci with the 2.2 inline 6. I was probably 20 at the time and I have never driven a smoother 6-cylinder engine or one that sounded so nicely refined. So, it was only natural that have lusted over the ultimate version ever since.

That era of BMW was such a special one. An era where the company built its vehicles to suit what they wanted to make. That compares to now where they are building cars to cater to markets that demand something different to the original BMW / BMW M recipe. So now we have fat, heavy twin-turbo torque monsters that lack the precise, lightweight accuracy they were once known for.

I think if you have or want to invest in the following, you will have some of the best BMW's ever made -

- E36 M3 3.2
- E46 M3 / M3 CSL
- Z3M Roadster or Coupe
- Z4M Roadster or Coupe (these are a bit of bare to drive, but that engine is worth every penny)
- E39 M5
- E60 M5
- E63 M6
- E90/92 M3

To a lesser extent, I would also include the 1M and M2, but the turbo engines lacked the specialness of the high revving naturally aspirated M-Power engines.

From that point, things went downhill in my opinion. Yes, cars that followed are fast and incredibly accomplished, but they have lost the razor sharpness and driver involvement.
 
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