Rinseless Washes - 2022

[Setec Astronomy]

So I tried dunk test in middle with ONR bucket. Sponge was dipped. Swirled around but touched no grit guard or side.

I believe this is V4. This was mid wash bucket I used.
Both sides of dirty sponge: After dunk:
Sponge completely clean which I understand is not expected In polymer rinseless.

I never got on the sponge bandwagon (until now where I bought all the cool sponges to see what the excitement is...haven't gotten to use any yet), so I can't really speak to the sponge staining (I did buy the Optimum blue waffle sponge a long time ago and I don't remember it staining and I looked at it a few weeks ago and it looked fine, I would have cleaned it well before putting it away though).

However, my favorite rinseless wash media is the long-defunct Meguiar's microfiber Quick Detail Sponge, this is like "the bone" but it has a much softer sponge in it. It was sold in 2004 along with the Meg's brushes; all of them were discontinued at the end of that year and I picked up a lot of the sponges at Big Lots (does that still exist?).

So these sponges (the Meg's and "the bone") are supposed to use a different kind of microfiber that doesn't hold on to dirt in the way a towel would, this is the description from MicroFiberTech: "The non-split micro fibers of this jumbo car sponge, unlike most microfiber cleaning products, easily release the collected debris when rinsed with a hose."

Anyway, my point is, I don't know about the sponges, but when I use these "bone" media with RW on a dirty car, they are black/gray after the first panel, and after that, you can't tell what's coming off the subsequent panels. Laundering doesn't help, the only thing that does is pre-treating/soaking with OPC (which was the OPT recommendation). I have tried to use the washing machine "pre-wash" using OPC, but that was not entirely successful the one time I tried it...experimentation ongoing.

So I think choice of wash media may have a lot to do with why some of us complain about media staining and others don't know what we're talking about. FWIW Idrosave was the worst for me, worse than ONR.

 

[BLM]

I never got on the sponge bandwagon (until now where I bought all the cool sponges to see what the excitement is...haven't gotten to use any yet),

I was using the black sponge from the Rag Company ( cant recall its name at the moment) but after some research and some wash experience im not convinced any sponge is ideal and may be responsible for dragging dirt/debris across the paint as dirt tends to accumulate on the surface of a sponge as well as going in the relief cuts.

Yes it may rinse clean but starts to accumulate on the surface immediately after reuse.

Personally i think a mitt is the better choice. However the multiple microfiber method is probably the best way to avoid scratching the paint.

I have sidelined my sponge. Perhaps permanently.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I got off of sponges for washing as soon as I joined detailing forums, then they made a comeback when grout sponges became a thing, and then OPT came out with the BRS. I could never stomach the price, which is why I never jumped on the sponge bandwagon for rinseless, but I decided I would give it a try since so many people seem to like the sponge route.

 

[Texchappy]

Had the UBS for a while but didn’t use it consistently. Recently went on a buying spree — legacy, villain, iconic. Thinking I like the UBS the most but after one try the iconic is pretty good.

 

[Uncbrs]

Had the UBS for a while but didn’t use it consistently. Recently went on a buying spree — legacy, villain, iconic. Thinking I like the UBS the most but after one try the iconic is pretty good.

Is it starkly different than the other DIY Legacy Sponges though (v1 or v2)?

I'm starting to lean towards the thought that quantity might be a bit better than quality in this case. Will 4 or 5 average sponges circulated in one RW be safer than 1 quality sponge? It's aligning to the multiple microfiber methodology or multiple mitt approach in a bucket wash.

Again though, it's another over complication to the RW method for which I have no verifiable data. We're going to drive ourselves crazy

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[Setec Astronomy]

Is it starkly different than the other DIY Legacy Sponges though (v1 or v2)?

Yeah, it is, because it's all one color, so it doesn't have the glue layer in the middle.

 

[Texchappy]

Yeah, it is, because it's all one color, so it doesn't have the glue layer in the middle.

That’s my preference too

 

[Going Mobile]

I got off of sponges for washing as soon as I joined detailing forums, then they made a comeback when grout sponges became a thing, and then OPT came out with the BRS. I could never stomach the price, which is why I never jumped on the sponge bandwagon for rinseless, but I decided I would give it a try since so many people seem to like the sponge route.

Interesting, I went the other way. After the diy regroutting my kitchen, I was skeptical of grout sponges on auto paint, so I went to the “dreadlock” microfiber mitts for my RWs. What drove me a little crazy, was I would do a pass or two with the mitt, dunk it in the bucket, rub it over the grit guard and inspect. Many times the mitt still had some dirt stuck on the dlocks and I had to re-dunk and re-rub. This doubled or tripled my wash time. Another issue I had with the mitts, was once I used the mitt with ONR, it was forever stained. I would use a mitt only once and then launder. A laundered mitt felt and smelled clean, never left any marring upon reuse, but was definitely off colored forever.

When the first BRS and later TRC’s UBS came out, I jumped at using them. The dunking of the sponge and squeezing out, even two or three times, was much faster with the sponges being clean for the next pass. What I disliked was having to keep the sponges in liquid when not in use. That was later remedied by the next gen BRS and USS.

I get the microfiber preference. I don’t have the harsh winters that others have, except for last January’s hurricane force winds and fire storms. That was different.

 

[Bri26]

All things being equal a rinseless sponge is safer and releases dirt better than a microfiber towel. It's the same in that foam polishing pads are less aggressive than microfiber polishing pads. The biggest issue with a microfiber towel is that it tends to hold onto dirt rather than release it.

The Detail Projects YouTube channel has proven this as well with the scratch tests using different rinseless wash products. I know some don't agree with all of his tests but this one is pretty cut and dry. If using microfiber as a wash media its best to use the multiple towel method.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

All things being equal a rinseless sponge is safer and releases dirt better than a microfiber towel. It's the same in that foam polishing pads are less aggressive than microfiber polishing pads. The biggest issue with a microfiber towel is that it tends to hold onto dirt rather than release it.

The Detail Projects YouTube channel has proven this as well with the scratch tests using different rinseless wash products. I know some don't agree with all of his tests but this one is pretty cut and dry. If using microfiber as a wash media its best to use the multiple towel method.

The "bone" and the Meg's Quick Detail pad I use have "non-split" microfiber which is supposed to release the dirt. It's hard to describe but the tufts on these are more "solid"...I guess because they are "non-split".

Microfiber Bone Car Wash Sponge

This microfiber bone sponge is designed with the auto enthusiast in mind. Gently pull dust, dirt, and other pesky particles with a jumbo car sponge.

microfibertech.com

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

So tried out the N-914 with big gold sponge.

A lot foamier than v1

So after doing a two bucket last week tried a hybrid wash. This notoriously the most dirty part of the car. This was after Touchless rinsed with the Eley (real nice for a hose att)

I did add Early and fill with pressure rinse from sink so this is worse case scenario.

Sponge started to emit foam near end but was not problem in wash.

Sorry no before and after but in last pick you can see water. Was fairly clean. Maybe light tinted grey.

Camaro was as dirty as the rav4 but I one bucketed. I feel hybrid wash much safer. Again 1st pick was after touchless pretreat. Still dirty but bucket didn’t get no where as dirty as rinse bucket last week.

If car fairly dirty hybrid way to go. Also contacted Labo and Purifica and Primus 2.0 will rinse free with Eley.

Only thing to worry about is in warm weather water drying after rinse before rinseless but in non always sunny climates this the way to go.

Edit:Eley hose gun.

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[Setec Astronomy]

So after doing a two bucket last week tried a hybrid wash. This notoriously the most dirty part of the car. This was after Touchless rinsed with the gilmour (real nice for a hose att)

I did add Early and fill with pressure rinse from sink so this is worse case scenario.

If car fairly dirty hybrid way to go. Also contacted Labo and Purifica and Primus 2.0 will rinse free with gilmour.

I'm sorry, I'm not following some of this. So you applied (Bilt Hamber?) Touchless, and then rinsed with the "Gilmour"? Are you talking about a Gilmour foam gun, or is that nozzle you pictured some sort of Gilmour nozzle?

I can't make sense of this sentence: "I did add Early and fill with pressure rinse from sink so this is worse case scenario."

And I understand you contacted Labocosmetica and asked a question about Purifica and Primus 2.0, but since your reference to "Gilmour" would seem to be a hose-end foam gun, or a hose-end nozzle, why WOULDN'T those two "rinse free" with a hose??

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I'm sorry, I'm not following some of this. So you applied (Bilt Hamber?) Touchless, and then rinsed with the "Gilmour"? Are you talking about a Gilmour foam gun, or is that nozzle you pictured some sort of Gilmour nozzle?

I can't make sense of this sentence: "I did add Early and fill with pressure rinse from sink so this is worse case scenario."

And I understand you contacted Labocosmetica and asked a question about Purifica and Primus 2.0, but since your reference to "Gilmour" would seem to be a hose-end foam gun, or a hose-end nozzle, why WOULDN'T those two "rinse free" with a hose??

I edited…. Eley not gilmour. Purifica and Primus will rinse well with Eley nozzle. Pressure washer not needed.

I did add (N914v2) early to bucket. About 1/3rd full. Use the pressure spray option on my sink nozzle which helps regular soaps foam up. In future I will add rinseless after bucket filled


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[Setec Astronomy]

I edited…. Eley not gilmour. Purifica and Primus will rinse well with Eley nozzle. Pressure washer not needed.

I did add (N914v2) early to bucket. About 1/3rd full. Use the pressure spray option on my sink nozzle which helps regular soaps foam up. In future I will add rinseless after bucket filled

Gotcha

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Also forgot to add thoughts on N914 and BGS. Sponge is nice. Reminds me of BRS. Read about it being really soft but not much difference then the BRS.

I don’t think theirs to much to worry about with sponges l.

Sure there are slight differences but all three I have work well.

N914 still a gangster when it comes to cleaning. It puts in work. Added slickness is nice. Good product. Think I still prefer KCRR but this is nice. Maybe I’ll use it instead just because I can get a gallon.


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[PouncingPanzer]

Got a brand new IK Pro-2 Sprayer, 50oz. It's gonna be intended for the RW method. Took the Shelby out again today, she's getting dusty. Next wash I will give the RW a go again after 6 or so years of not doing it. Washed all my towels last week. Got a new sponge. Should be ready to rock.

ONR shouldn't affect the properties of the Gtecniq EXO v.9 coating. I hope lol.

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[Coatingsarecrack]

Got a brand new IK Pro-2 Sprayer, 50oz. It's gonna be intended for the RW method. Took the Shelby out again today, she's getting dusty. Next wash I will give the RW a go again after 6 or so years of not doing it. Washed all my towels last week. Got a new sponge. Should be ready to rock.

ONR shouldn't affect the properties of the Gtecniq EXO v.9 coating. I hope lol.

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No your good. Even if it did in summer really doesn’t matter as you won’t really see water behavior in rain and anything like a protective rinsless/wash soap will be gone within 2 weeks.

If anything may add UV protection to your coating


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[chilly]

I am trying to get caught up on a few things

Some months back Griot's Rinseless Wash went away and you guys were theorizing that they were re-jiggering it and it would be reintroduced at SEMA and be better than ever

I see it is back on their website

Is it new and improved or.....?

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I am trying to get caught up on a few things

Some months back Griot's Rinseless Wash went away and you guys were theorizing that they were re-jiggering it and it would be reintroduced at SEMA and be better than ever

I see it is back on their website

Is it new and improved or.....?

The Guz called it "very ONR-ish". I have a bottle of it sitting right here but I haven't used it yet. The Guz did gush over ONR v.6 that was released at TRCMA, so maybe the Griot's is not "very ONR-ish" anymore, since he now likes ONR again.

 

[chilly]

The Guz called it "very ONR-ish". I have a bottle of it sitting right here but I haven't used it yet. The Guz did gush over ONR v.6 that was released at TRCMA, so maybe the Griot's is not "very ONR-ish" anymore, since he now likes ONR again.

I could have easily missed it but I rarely remember people even talking about it until it was discontinued and then the lamenting began

I know Klasse said the old stuff was good and after it went away people were hopeful that it was coming back with a bang

I will have to watch the video and see what is said

I am curious in case I see a bottle on the shelf at one of the places that stock a bit of the Griot's line


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