Does Meguiars make an "all in one" polish?

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Similar to menzerna power finish. I like the idea of non diminishing abrasives.
 
Megs has a few AIO type polishes. The ones that come to mind that are polishes with wax are M66, D151 and colorX. Then there is M86 solo which is a versatile product that can be used for compounding or polishing.
 
Meguiars AIOs, from least to most aggressive:

A12 Cleaner Wax
M20 Polymer Sealant
ColorX
M06 Cleaner Wax
M66 Quick Detailer
D-151 Paint Reconditioning Cream
 
For sure d151 is great use it all the time you can use the solo pad system or step down from orange to white to grey . D151 is very affordable@like 35.99 a galllon. Solo Cut& Cream works the same just seems to a little more cut to remove scratches. Both work Excellent . Mike did a review of D151 a while ago he may still have been at Megs at the time but its was an excellent write none the less. LOL Steve :props:
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Similar to menzerna power finish. I like the idea of non diminishing abrasives.
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In Meguiar's terminology a polish would not offer any protection and would in fact be water soluble. There was a recent thread on glazes, check this out as a glaze and a polish in the Meguiar's line are kind of interchangeable.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/22195-what-glaze.html

Do you want a Cleaner/Wax? Cleans, Polishes and Protects in one step or do you want something that will remove light swirls but leave no protection as you'll apply the protection in the next step.

There's so much confusion over terms in the Cyber-world, not your fault, just the nature of the beast.

An AIO is a cleaner/wax, it cleans, polishes and leaves behind a protective coating. Next someone will say, what about BLANK, it cleans, polishes and protects but doesn't contain wax.

When I use the word wax in referring to a cleaner/wax I'm using the general sense of the term to describe a CATEGORY or products that clean, polish and protect.

If you like you can change the term to Cleaner/Sealant or Cleaner/Protectant.

D151 is a cleaner/wax. It cleans, polishes and seals the paint.


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
do you want something that will remove light swirls but leave no protection as you'll apply the protection in the next step.
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Exactly what I want. Basically, a two step polish combined into one, which would be similar to menzerna power finish. Is there anything in the meguiars line that would conquer this using non diminishing abrasives? I like the idea of non diminishing abrasives because you're getting the same correction from start to finish, if I'm not mistaken. Diminishing abrasives seem like the more "you need to know what you're doing" type of polish as you have to know when the abrasives have broken down. I could be way of base...lol.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Exactly what I want. Basically, a two step polish combined into one, which would be similar to menzerna power finish. Is there anything in the meguiars line that would conquer this using non diminishing abrasives?
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M205 for light correction
SwirlX for medium to light correction

Both use SMAT

SMAT = Super Micro Abrasive Technology
DAT = Diminishing Abrasive Technology




07 z-oh-6 said:
Diminishing abrasives seem like the more "you need to know what you're doing" type of polish as you have to know when the abrasives have broken down.
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Good explanation. With SMAT it's pretty much Bubba-Proof, you stop working the product when the defects are removed and you're happy with the finish results.

With DAT you have to work the product till the diminishing abrasives have completely broken down otherwise you'll be left with swirl in the paint.

:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
M205 for light correction
SwirlX for medium to light correction
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Will M205 leave more gloss(finish better) than Swirl X?

I will be using Griot's new version 6" ROP for correction. What Lake Country CCS pad should I use with M205 and what speed?

Same questions go for Swirl X.

Thanks :xyxthumbs:
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Will M205 leave more gloss(finish better) than Swirl X?

I will be using Griot's new version 6" ROP for correction. What Lake Country CCS pad should I use with M205 and what speed?

Same questions go for Swirl X.

Thanks :xyxthumbs:
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They should both finish out very clear and leave the paint with a high gloss finish. The SwirlX is more aggressive but that's relative because it's still a light cleaner/polish when compared to a compound.

If you're trying to remove defects, even light defects like micro-marring then use a polishing pad. If you're trying to jewel the paint from very good to dripping wet then use a finishing pad.

Usually for final polishing you want to be at 4.0 to 5.0 or somewhere in-between.

:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
They should both finish out very clear and leave the paint with a high gloss finish. The SwirlX is more aggressive but that's relative because it's still a light cleaner/polish when compared to a compound.

If you're trying to remove defects, even light defects like micro-marring then use a polishing pad. If you're trying to jewel the paint from very good to dripping wet then use a finishing pad.

Usually for final polishing you want to be at 4.0 to 5.0 or somewhere in-between.

:)
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According to Meguiars, Swirl X uses a chemical abrasive while M205 uses SMAT?

I will not be using another other product(not sure which one of these 2 yet) because my cars defects are not tooooo bad(07 z06). Should I still stick with 4.0-5.0 speed, or jump to 6?

I will using a white CCS pad.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
According to Meguiars, Swirl X uses a chemical abrasive while M205 uses SMAT?
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Post the link to that source of information. Both use SMAT, it could be SwirlX also uses chemical cleaners as it is a cleaner/polish for use by consumers on daily drivers which means it could contain chemical cleaners for use by consumers on cars with dirty paint.

Regardless, it still finishes out very clear and that's your goal. I know it's easy to get all caught up in perfectionism but at the same time don't make things more complicated than they have to be. :props:

07 z-oh-6 said:
I will not be using another other product(not sure which one of these 2 yet) because my cars defects are not tooooo bad(07 z06). Should I still stick with 4.0-5.0 speed, or jump to 6?

I will using a white CCS pad.
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The 6.0 Speed Setting on the GG ROP is like using a rotary buffer, you don't need to run it at that speed and take my word for it, you're not going to want to run it at that speed for light defects.

Corvettes historically have very hard paint, so even if your defects are shallow you're going to need a product with a little bite. Go for the SwirlX. Since it's just money, but them both, try the M205 first and if it's not getting the job done then switch to the SwirlX. You'll have plenty of opportunity helping your friends in the future to use one or the other after they the finish on your car.


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Post the link to that source of information. Both use SMAT, it could be SwirlX also uses chemical cleaners as it is a cleaner/polish for use by consumers on daily drivers which means it could contain chemical cleaners for use by consumers on cars with dirty paint.
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I actually spoke to a guy name Blake at Meguiars and asked him about the technology of both Swirl X and M205. He told me Swirl X uses a chemical abrasive while 205 uses SMAT. I'll take your word for it. :props: :dblthumb2:

I will start with speed 4.0 with the Griots polisher, Swirl X, and white pad. Then follow with WG sealant 3.0. :righton:
 
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Last couple questions, I promise. :)

Will Swirl X remove defects or just fill them?

I assume swirl X will remove any prior wax on the car and leave a good finish so a sealant can bond properly?
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Last couple questions, I promise. :)

Will Swirl X remove defects or just fill them?
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Used correctly it will remove them. I don't know if it will fill any defects I've never used the product incorrectly.

07 z-oh-6 said:
I assume swirl X will remove any prior wax on the car and leave a good finish so a sealant can bond properly?
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If I only had a nickel for every time the question of fillers and bonding came up on a discussion forum I'd be a zillionaire.... :D

Taken from this page,


Mike Phillips said:
I've never walked out into a garage the next day after applying a sealant over a car that was polished and seen a pile of sealant on the garage floor surrounding the car because it didn't bond and slipped off the paint.

See post 16 of the below thread as this topic is discussed there,

Best Product/Methodology To Remove Waxes & Sealants??


Also, there's something to be said for manufactures directions as they know their product's compatibility best since the chemists that formulate the product line make products that will work together with synergistic chemical compatibility.

Of course everyone is free to find their own way that suits there tastes but to say a sealant won't bond to paint because a polish that contained oil was used previously is probably not accurate and I've seen it done for decades.

That doesn't mean all sealants will do this as some are more finicky than others, but that's why I brought up the idea of following the "manufactures" directions for their specific product line. That doesn't mean what one manufactures says about their polymers needing a sterile surface applies to the rest of the industry and I don't think manufactures make recommendations for other company's products, (but sometimes forum members do).

One thing I've learned more and more since joining the AG Team is when it comes to paint care, there is not right or wrong way, just your way.
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If it were my car in my garage I would wipe the SwirlX or M205, whichever you end up using, off the car and apply my favorite wax or paint sealant. Follow the directions for applying and removing the wax or paint sealant and then after the final wipe. stand back and admire the results.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Used correctly it will remove them. I don't know if it will fill any defects I've never used the product incorrectly.



If I only had a nickel for every time the question of fillers and bonding came up on a discussion forum I'd be a zillionaire.... :D

Taken from this page,





If it were my car in my garage I would wipe the SwirlX or M205, whichever you end up using, off the car and apply my favorite wax or paint sealant. Follow the directions for applying and removing the wax or paint sealant and then after the final wipe. stand back and admire the results.
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You're the absolute best, honestly! Thanks! :props:
 
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