Why are Threads being Deleted? (Admin Note: Threads are not deleted but moved or closed to maintain civility)

[David Fermani]

In the last week there have been 2 threads that were deleted? The 1st was the Polishing Chart thread started by 07 z-oh-6 and the other was the one Bashing LC Hydro pads from O.C. Details. Both threads were temporarily closed by Mike P with the explanation of “just for the night” to let things cool down, but instead were completely deleted. Why? I would have PM’d the Mods for information, but I(and several others that have contacted me) personally feel that this community is owed an explanation instead. I can understand and respect the need to protect members and sponsors, but don’t feel this was the case with these threads. I feel valuable information was expressed in an effort to share the truth, but instead there is not any trail to let people decide for themselves.

I see where possible editing or deletion of content *could* have been chosen and ultimately locking up the thread, but to completely delete it just seems pretty bizarre? In the spirit of free information exchange, why take it away so it can’t be viewed? At a bear minimum it has educational value.

Please explain if you could…..Feed back please

 

[Meghan]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Hi David,

The threads were not deleted as we don't delete threads here on AutogeekOnline but we do move them to the Moderator's forum if enough members start taking the thread downhill with their comments.


There comes a point when the negative comments made by a handful of forum members make it so the thread no longer provides enough good information to outweigh the sad turn the thread takes.

We will be posting new forum rules the first of the week and then enforcing them striclty and we think this will take care of the problems that arise from time to time.
Great question and we hope in the future that everyone can discuss a topic without the thread going downhill.

Thanks...

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Great post Dave. There was actually great info that would benefit forum members on how to correctly use those products mentioned.

Also would agree if you are going to say that you are going to put the thread back up and not going to atleast explain for the change or as Dave mention edit some of the posts. Would like to add also that the both threads did calm down on their own and everyone was "behaving" so to speak. Seems that they were also closed way to late after it did get a little heated and that would have been the time to act, not way after the fact.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Seems that they were also closed way to late after it did get a little heated and that would have been the time to act, not way after the fact.

If they wouldn't have gotten heated they wouldn't have needed to be closed.

I wasn't online when they got heated so I couldn't take action, when I did get PM'd about them I closed them because I didn't want to babysit them all night long just to make sure they didn't turn south again. It's not possible to work all day and then work on the forum all night just to watch out for problems.

We think the new forum rules will prevent anything like this from happening again in the future and I'm sure you'll agree that keeping threads on-topic and family friendly makes for a great forum experience for all our members.

Right?

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

If they wouldn't have gotten heated they wouldn't have needed to be closed.

I wasn't online when they got heated so I couldn't take action, when I did get PM'd about them I closed them because I didn't want to babysit them all night long just to make sure they didn't turn south again. It's not possible to work all day and then work on the forum all night just to watch out for problems.

We think the new forum rules will prevent anything like this from happening again in the future and I'm sure you'll agree that keeping threads on-topic and family friendly makes for a great forum experience for all our members.

Right?

I understand no one is going to be able to watch them all night. I don't recall if it was that late, anyway, I agree with you 100% that the forum should be friendly. On the other hand they both worked themselves out like most conversations between people do.

I do have one question for you Mike or any other Mod, how would you like people to reply to a post that is incorrect or ask additional questions to try and solve a problem that one maybe having with a certain product or using incorrectly?

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

I can understand and respect the need to protect members and sponsors, but don’t feel this was the case with these threads.

And we appreciate your feelings...

It's possible we could clean up the threads that went south, but remember we're busy just like you're busy and playing clean-up for a few problem members takes time.

So have patience...

I for one have been here since 8:00am this morning and on my clock it's ow 7:47pm, so I'm ready to push away from the keyboard and go home.

Let's hope this thread doesn't go south...

:laughing:

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

I do have one question for you Mike or any other Mod, how would you like people to reply to a post that is incorrect or ask additional questions to try and solve a problem that one maybe having with a certain product or using incorrectly?

In a polite manner and without being demeaning to the other forum members.

Sometimes all it takes is to think about your reply and make sure you've done your best to phrase it in a way to keep it positive and not demeaning or negative if a person's truly trying to help.

Also, it's not our forum members job or responsibility to correct other people if they've made a mistake. People are welcome to post their opinion but they shouldn't feel like it's their job or responsibility.

Agree?

rops:

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

In a polite manner and without being demeaning to the other forum members.

Sometimes all it takes is to think about your reply and make sure you've done your best to phrase it in a way to keep it positive and not demeaning or negative if a person's truly trying to help.

Also, it's not our forum members job or responsibility to correct other people if they've made a mistake. People are welcome to post their opinion but they shouldn't feel like it's their job or responsibility.

Agree?

rops:

Fair enough and agree, but on the other hand some people find it hard to take being corrected that the part the caused the last thread to go in a bad direction. Before you say anything maybe some different wording might have helped that, but just wanted to throw that out there also.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Fair enough and agree, but on the other hand some people find it hard to take being corrected

Agree, that's why it's all the more important for anyone doing any correcting to so so with kids gloves, especially on a very public forum.

The goal is always to see a person through to success in their garage and never making them feel bad because they made a mistake or for asking a question.

This is where seasoned, experienced professionals can lead by example in their replies.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Agree, that's why it's all the more important for anyone doing any correcting to so so with kids gloves, especially on a very public forum.

The goal is always to see a person through to success in their garage and never making them feel bad because they made a mistake or for asking a question.

This is where seasoned, experienced professionals can lead by example in their replies.

Thanks for your input Mike, much appreciated.rops:

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Sometimes, I think things are taken the wrong way said by others, when the other party is truly trying to help. However, that doesn't mean the other party has no right to take it the wrong way. What is wrong, is firing back in a way that is a disruption to the forum. With that said, my conduct was unacceptable, and I apologize to everyone at AGO. I guess Tiger Woods rubbed off on me today. :laughing:

I really enjoy this forum and it's a great source of information and guidance. I hope to be a productive member for a long time! :dblthumb2:

 

[richy]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

I missed the thread to which you are referring, but a great rule of thumb is the old, old adage "Do onto others...". Take a tone that you yourself would not find offensive and you will be fine. There are more ways than one to skin a cat, there will be divergent opinions on here and that's OK.

 

[loudog2]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

People need to relax a bit. Some people on this forum are too over sensitive. I mean, come on already!!! PM'ing mods because your feeling are hurt. Or even asking to have your membership deleted because you can't take criticism. How can you go through life that way. If the VP of my company wants to critique something I did wrong, OH WELL! Learn and move on.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Fair enough and agree, but on the other hand some people find it hard to take being corrected that the part the caused the last thread to go in a bad direction. Before you say anything maybe some different wording might have helped that, but just wanted to throw that out there also.

In my case, I had ZERO problems with you telling me that it would be a good idea to find someone to instruct me in person locally. So, I did not take it hard "being corrected". It was the other few words("it might not be your thing") that had nothing to do with correcting, but more of a personal jab that you had no grounds for. I'm passionate about detailing, I don't need anyone telling me otherwise. You do mention above that different wording might have helped. rops:

 

[rwright]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

People need to relax a bit. Some people on this forum are too over sensitive. I mean, come on already!!! PM'ing mods because your feeling are hurt. Or even asking to have your membership deleted because you can't take criticism. How can you go through life that way. If the VP of my company wants to critique something I did wrong, OH WELL! Learn and move on.

You should read how most of the people treat others on the SRTForum. A big reason my participation has dropped. The way people over there treat less experienced members makes a person almost scared to ask questions. That's why I mostly just read here and post every now and then. I also missed the threads in question.

 

[loudog2]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

This forum is not even close to as bad as others. The issues on here start with people asking questions, then not wanting to hear the answers. Or Posting problems, then getting mad as members try to find out their process and how it happened.

 

[rwright]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

Then how can you effectively help out without knowing the process or steps taken to end up in the current state? You need to be very thorough with details, it's part of the troubleshooting process. When asking a question to the public you have to be ready for any and every possible answer. Mike pretty much stated how to answer a question.

*This is a blanket statement, not directed at any one individual.

 

[ScottB]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

People need to relax a bit. Some people on this forum are too over sensitive. I mean, come on already!!! PM'ing mods because your feeling are hurt. Or even asking to have your membership deleted because you can't take criticism. How can you go through life that way. If the VP of my company wants to critique something I did wrong, OH WELL! Learn and move on.

:iagree:

I dont have the time and effort to deal with all the drama on posts these days. Everyone seems to have an agenda, and gets so bent out of shape when someone offers "how they do it" and it must be wrong because its not the way "I do it". Instead of helping in a non-threatening manner they attack and get into several posts and replys having absolutely nothing to do with the original post. If you are going to start name calling or posting a bad word to retailiate ... then do us all some good and step AWAY from the keyboard.

Its time to cool down .... relax and enjoy the hobby and profession. I truly enjoy seeing a novice seeking advice and quenching their knowledge on products and how to's. They will do somethings wrong, they might ask a question that seems answered many times, but it is up to the forum members to guide them and point them in a direction without insult and attack. For the professionals you need to remember this is not everyones day job and they want to absorb all the info from you or perhaps will use the product incorrectly or fail to see the same results. Help them and you will feel the good within yourself, I guarantee it.

Look to the positive, be a resource, and help correct the incorrect in a non-threatening manner. Each forum member is valued and unique and thats the cool part of a forum.

 

[Shane731]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

This is a good thread, and some excellent points have been brought up. The main thing is to proofread, proofread, proofread. I have to do this myself. First off, it lets me catch any spelling and grammar errors, and I can make sure I have said what I want to say in a factual and tactful manner. I know I've opened my mouth a few times too many and regretted it later (not always necessarily on the forums, but it has happened). Don't let your temper or your pride or stubbornness get in the way. I'm here to have fun and soak up information like a little sponge, and I hate seeing a bad thread get in the way. There are so many of you I feel like I've known forever yet we've never met. I love you guys! :grouphug:

 

[DARK HORSE]

Re: Why are Threads being Deleted?

People need to relax a bit. Some people on this forum are too over sensitive. I mean, come on already!!! PM'ing mods because your feeling are hurt. Or even asking to have your membership deleted because you can't take criticism. How can you go through life that way. If the VP of my company wants to critique something I did wrong, OH WELL! Learn and move on.

I totally agree!!! I followed both threads "in question" and was thinking the exact same things that were stated by others. Even Mike P made a comment about pushing away from the keyboard and going out into the garage and working with the products to develop a technique. I whole heartedly believe that a couple of members with WAY more experience and PROVEN knowledge than most (what I would consider as the forum experts and guys who are willing to take their time to get involved and help) were truly trying to help. Sure sometimes we all, or many of us come off a little more harsh than intended, but that's life, it happens (some people are just more brash than most). I agree PM'ing mods because your feelings are hurt, or asking to have your membership deleted because you can't take criticism; come on!! If you feel that bad about it, PM the person whom you have an issue with (take it offline) and tell them how you feel. See if that gets you resolution. I had a disagreement with a guy in a thread that was starting to heat up and sent him a PM. We corresponded via PM for a while and the next day I recieved a friendship request from him. We are all always learning (or should be); rather it be how to detail, how to do our job, how to operate our computers or phones, how to make our family happy, or rather it be how to deal with MANY different personalities in an online detailing community. I believe that everyone here is genuinely trying to help each other. Sure, sometimes I see mis-information posted and I am grateful that we have resident experts here to correct this when it comes up...