Hmm..not sure if mine has professional on the side I got it around Christmas. That being said, I detailed two waverunners and a boat on speed 5 this weekend and had zero issues and I probably put more pressure on it than I should have, but all three came out great.
Does your Griot's DA say PROFESSIONAL random orbital on the side?
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That's fine and dandy, but I think they need to make this aware to the public. Like Flash, I noticed IMMEDIATELY with the last three that I bought, that they were less powerful than the first one.
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Be realistic. Do you think that new Griot's catalog will come in the mail and say "GG 6" polisher, now LESS powerful!!"
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I never said I expected them to. If my investigation is correct, false advertisement much?
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At one time Meguiar's sold two versions of the Porter Cable DA Polisher,
The G100a was sold into the "Professional" industry and had a one year warranty because it was expected that professionals would be punishing the tool 7 days a week and common sense states it will wear out.
The G100 was sold into the Consumer market and originally came with a limited lifetime warranty because it was expected that the average Joe Consumer would buff out their car one or two times a year.
One thing I've noticed over the years and actually point out in my how-to book is the evolution of the DA Backing Plate and how we as people tend to push technology to its limit.
One of the reasons there's been an evolution in backing plates is because "people", (that's you and I), tend to push tools, pads, backing plates, products in general to their limit. When we do this... things break.
I have early DA Backing Plates in my office and included pictures of them in my book on page 53. Current backing plates are all re-enforced to make them stronger so they can take all the downward pressure being applied to them for hours without breaking. Point being, all DA Polishers are continually being pushed to their limits by people that are trying to remove serious defects without using more powerful direct drive tools like the Flex 3401 or a true rotary buffer and the results from this is the components in these DA Polishers are being pushed to their limit or to their breaking point.
Here's a picture of an early backing plate next to a current backing plate taken from the bottom of page 53 of my how-to book.
It's not really the manufacturer's fault if a mechanical component can only take so much abuse before it fails. Is there room for improvement? Yes and I've been posting for a few years now the Porter Cable is missing the boat by not bringing out a tool that offers the power of the Griot's DA Polisher or even the refinements of the Meguiar's polisher. My guess is Porter Cable is big enough they don't have to care and/or they don't have any ears or eyes on forums like this one.
If Griot's has changed their tool then it's a cause and effect situation, there was a cause, (people pushing tools to the limit), and the effect is Mark's discussion in this thread.
Keep in mind a more powerful, better built tool can be made but will the market, (that's you), pay the price?
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The G100a was sold into the "Professional" industry and had a one year warranty because it was expected that professionals would be punishing the tool 7 days a week and common sense states it will wear out.
The G100 was sold into the Consumer market and originally came with a limited lifetime warranty because it was expected that the average Joe Consumer would buff out their car one or two times a year.
One thing I've noticed over the years and actually point out in my how-to book is the evolution of the DA Backing Plate and how we as people tend to push technology to its limit.
One of the reasons there's been an evolution in backing plates is because "people", (that's you and I), tend to push tools, pads, backing plates, products in general to their limit. When we do this... things break.
I have early DA Backing Plates in my office and included pictures of them in my book on page 53. Current backing plates are all re-enforced to make them stronger so they can take all the downward pressure being applied to them for hours without breaking. Point being, all DA Polishers are continually being pushed to their limits by people that are trying to remove serious defects without using more powerful direct drive tools like the Flex 3401 or a true rotary buffer and the results from this is the components in these DA Polishers are being pushed to their limit or to their breaking point.
Here's a picture of an early backing plate next to a current backing plate taken from the bottom of page 53 of my how-to book.
It's not really the manufacturer's fault if a mechanical component can only take so much abuse before it fails. Is there room for improvement? Yes and I've been posting for a few years now the Porter Cable is missing the boat by not bringing out a tool that offers the power of the Griot's DA Polisher or even the refinements of the Meguiar's polisher. My guess is Porter Cable is big enough they don't have to care and/or they don't have any ears or eyes on forums like this one.
If Griot's has changed their tool then it's a cause and effect situation, there was a cause, (people pushing tools to the limit), and the effect is Mark's discussion in this thread.
Keep in mind a more powerful, better built tool can be made but will the market, (that's you), pay the price?
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Maybe the fact is the "older" version were above spec and were breaking so they investigated and turned them down to spec to stop the breakage issue? Just saying.:dunno:
Kind of like the shop vac discussion about a 2.5 hp vacuume have more suction than a 5 hp vac? Don't see anyone saying the people making the inferior 5hp vacs are false advertising? I can tell you this much, if the vac was a true 5hp you wouldn't run it on an extension cord on a standard 15AMP household circuit, it wouldn't last 10 seconds.
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well.... nothing against adjusting things in the business... but if there do is a change.... it should be publicized....
I mean... 850w must be 850w... it matters if it got a 850w motor that is downgraded or limited to be used only 500w or so.....
There's a funny thing happening here in Brazil with products bought from China..... they are now stating something like "not for professional use..... use 1 minute, rest for 10......" This was a paper shredder from the office I used to work for.... guess what ?It was used in a professional way and broke down in a week.......... same for my drink mixer.... "do not exceed more than a minute of direct use... let it rest for 5 minutes before using again".... at least now they are being honest stating their product will break if overused...
Maybe griot's wouldn't want to put something like that... "polish por 10 minutes, rest for 1/2 hour before using again"..... LoL....
I mean... if something do changed... they should have warned... they made to build a solid name over their polisher.... that's why we got that much interest on this topic....
I mean... 850w must be 850w... it matters if it got a 850w motor that is downgraded or limited to be used only 500w or so.....
There's a funny thing happening here in Brazil with products bought from China..... they are now stating something like "not for professional use..... use 1 minute, rest for 10......" This was a paper shredder from the office I used to work for.... guess what ?It was used in a professional way and broke down in a week.......... same for my drink mixer.... "do not exceed more than a minute of direct use... let it rest for 5 minutes before using again".... at least now they are being honest stating their product will break if overused...
Maybe griot's wouldn't want to put something like that... "polish por 10 minutes, rest for 1/2 hour before using again"..... LoL....
I mean... if something do changed... they should have warned... they made to build a solid name over their polisher.... that's why we got that much interest on this topic....
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So, here are the changes.
On the units that DO NOT say *professional random orbital* on the side of the polisher, the speed recommendations was lowered. It states 4-5 for polishing on the side of the unit.
On the units that do say *professional random orbital*, the recommended speed settings are 5-6 for polish on the side of the unit.
Sooooooooooooooo, Griot's obviously decided that the DA was too powerful. I'm sure they got many complaints that speed 6 was eating up foam pads.
With the speed recommendation on the new units lowered, Griot's didn't want too much power being used. So, it makes plenty of sense that they would tone down the motor, too.
On the units that DO NOT say *professional random orbital* on the side of the polisher, the speed recommendations was lowered. It states 4-5 for polishing on the side of the unit.
On the units that do say *professional random orbital*, the recommended speed settings are 5-6 for polish on the side of the unit.
Sooooooooooooooo, Griot's obviously decided that the DA was too powerful. I'm sure they got many complaints that speed 6 was eating up foam pads.
With the speed recommendation on the new units lowered, Griot's didn't want too much power being used. So, it makes plenty of sense that they would tone down the motor, too.
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So the motor is different? Or just speed recommendations changed?
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So they didn't say a thing about the motor... just about speed recommendations ?
I already realized this miss match of information on my unit... manual and unit with different information... The manual stated 4-5 while the unit 5-6...
here is my unit:
This is the good model with 25ft cord....
I wish they could say something about the motor too...
This was the first time I turned it on.... from speed 1 to 6....
[video=youtube_share;xVbyX6XD6mM"]Griot's Garage 6" Random Orbital (GG 6" ROP) - Start no Load - YouTube[/video]
I already realized this miss match of information on my unit... manual and unit with different information... The manual stated 4-5 while the unit 5-6...
here is my unit:
This is the good model with 25ft cord....
I wish they could say something about the motor too...
This was the first time I turned it on.... from speed 1 to 6....
[video=youtube_share;xVbyX6XD6mM"]Griot's Garage 6" Random Orbital (GG 6" ROP) - Start no Load - YouTube[/video]
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I can't prove that the motor changed too, but I'm pretty sure it has.
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Maybe you can have a clue by the sound difference it could have from yours based on my video...
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You musta had the crappy one to begin with if you couldn't tell a difference
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How is your Mom doing Mark?
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Not me
What they should do is offer the professional unit with a slightly higher price and just give a 1 year warranty
Richard,
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