BLACKFIRE SiO2 Spray Sealant review by Mike Phillips

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How does this hold up against bird poop?

I have a black miata, and it seems like everything etches the paint. I'm past the point of wanting to spend the money on a pro ceramic coating (and don't have a garage to do a DIY coating in). So the next time I break out the DA, I'm looking for something more substantial than Zaino to protect the paint with afterwards (and this seems like the best option, based on reading various reviews here).
 
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woody77 said:
How does this hold up against bird poop?
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My guess is anything inside of bird poop that's strong enough to eat or etch through urethane clearcoat paint, is strong enough to eat or etch through this and most products.

I've see good resistance to most common problems from dedicated ceramic coatings.


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I’ve read that the Z did not provide the best protection for some. Can’t hurt to try something else and see if you get better results. BF SiO2 Spray has “traditional” polymers that I believe are similar to other BF products, so it may actually do better against certain types of etchings than some of the more highly concentrated SiO2 products.
 
Mike Phillips said:
Your first post so,

Welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:
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Thanks! I've been lurking off/on for a while, and ordered my DA + pads + your book through autogeek.net. I really appreciate the lack of hand-waving and the good explanations of what's actually going on with the finishes.



My guess is anything inside of bird poop that's strong enough to eat or etch through urethane clearcoat paint, is strong enough to eat or etch through this and most products.

I've see good resistance to most common problems from dedicated ceramic coatings.

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So, worth a shot, but don't expect miracles, then? From reading through here, it seems like this is the most substantial product that doesn't need a long, in-the-garage, cure time. Is that an accurate statement?
 
woody77 said:
Thanks! I've been lurking off/on for a while, and ordered my DA + pads + your book through autogeek.net.

I really appreciate the lack of hand-waving and the good explanations of what's actually going on with the finishes.
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Thank you for your business. I tell people that if they read my book from cover to cover they'll know more than most detailers. It's information-rich.


I like that,

The lack of hand-waving


I try to keep it real. Just like I would like my help.




woody77 said:
So, worth a shot, but don't expect miracles, then?
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Yes, don't expect miracles. Makes you wonder what the heck birds are eating? :dunno:




woody77 said:
From reading through here, it seems like this is the most substantial product that doesn't need a long, in-the-garage, cure time. Is that an accurate statement?
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This is a really nice product. I like to share it with people that I coat cars far as a product they can use to take care of the finish down the road. Easy to use and most important - leaves the paint feeling slippery. I have never met anyone that likes their paint to feel rubbery. Most coatings on the market make paint feel rubbery. I hate these types of product and never like using them.


Here's an reply I wrote in 2008, later I turned it into a dedicated article on this forum.


How long for bird dropping to damage paint?


What I wrote then is just as accurate today as when I wrote it. This is an example of what I mean anytime you see me type,


I type for the future....


Also - the car you see in the link above is the car you see on the label of Meguair's SwirlX

Meguiar's Ultimate Compound History


Meguiar's Ultimate Compound and SwirlX

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Besides that product, you need clean, uncontaminated towels, for it or ANY product you're going to use.


How, why & when to inspect your microfiber towels when detailing cars



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Thanks much for the links!

Birds... I've realized that I can't escape them (not where I am now), especially since parking at work is exposed (and where most of the birds are), so I'll come out to find bird droppings that have had hours to bake in 100*F weather (plus full sun on black paint...)
 
woody77 said:
Thanks much for the links!
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No problemo - I'm just a part of Autogeek Customer Service only my answers on this forum endure forever for tens, hundreds, thousands to potentially read into the future.



woody77 said:
Birds... I've realized that I can't escape them (not where I am now), especially since parking at work is exposed (and where most of the birds are), so I'll come out to find bird droppings that have had hours to bake in 100*F weather (plus full sun on black paint...)
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Yep.... this is a tough problem for all car owners.


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Do you see any advantage to trying to "build up" a thicker layer of this with multiple coats when first applying?

1) wash & dry
2) correct
3) wash & dry
4) apply first coat
5) apply N more coats?
 
woody77 said:
Do you see any advantage to trying to "build up" a thicker layer of this with multiple coats when first applying?

1) wash & dry
2) correct
3) wash & dry
4) apply first coat
5) apply N more coats?
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Can’t hurt! I usually see some degree of benefit by doing a second coat. Beyond that I can’t say I’ve seen anything extra.... but, if there’s a type of product that can build up with potential protection benefits, easily due to ease of use, it’s be a SiO2 Spray sealant (just my opinion). But I’m talking more like applying two coats and then once every 3-4 weeks after that. If you apply a third coat of BF SiO2 right away, I’m guessing you’ll get streaking problems. Instead let it build up over time.
 
woody77 said:
Do you see any advantage to trying to "build up" a thicker layer of this with multiple coats when first applying?
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Me?

No.

My normal practice with ANY product, outside a few ceramic coatings that the manufacturer states can be layers, is to do a GREAT job of applying ONE coat or application and then stick a fork in it, call it done and move on.


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When using this on a windshield, does it cause chatter? I've been using another SiO2 product and it chatters. I now cleaned the windshield with Pinnacle Glass cleaner which I used to use for rain repellency and it seems to help but I don't know if it will last long. I'd rather have a coating that doesn't chatter...
 
Nexifer said:
When using this on a windshield, does it cause chatter? I've been using another SiO2 product and it chatters. I now cleaned the windshield with Pinnacle Glass cleaner which I used to use for rain repellency and it seems to help but I don't know if it will last long. I'd rather have a coating that doesn't chatter...
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Keep your glass clean and your Wiper Blades clean! Try using alcohol as the cleaning agent on the wipers to stop the chattering. I do that with both Griot's Garage Glass Sealant and the IGL Glass Coating. Do not have any issues with chattering. And to save yourself some misery, use a disposable towel or facial pads and trash them after done cleaning the wipers. It will not wash out of most of your MF towels.
 
Blackfire Sio2, I tried this product, is goes on and comes off without any issues, great.

Where I found it lacking is in the looks department, it looks good, but it didn`t give me that `Wow` factor, that was disappointing.
 
Kneel said:
Blackfire Sio2, I tried this product, is goes on and comes off without any issues, great.
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Good.


Kneel said:
Where I found it lacking is in the looks department, it looks good, but it didn't give me that `Wow` factor, that was disappointing.
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Thanks for sharing. Can you share a picture of the car you applied it to?


Next time I have a detail, after I do the normal steps I'll re-visit this product. The car I initially did the review on belong to a co-worker and they had previously did the normal steps,


  • Wash and dry
  • Clay
  • Machine polish
  • Wax

The above would mean the paint is in the first 3 categories outlined in this article,

Paint Condition Categories


But yeah - not everyone will love every product.

If you like, I can put you in touch with customer care.


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I broke this out last week and used as a drying aid for topper on the wife’s car with never-ending Cancoat base. Looks nice and beaded lovely after the heavy rains.
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However I did get streaking once under a bright light in the garage. I likely over-used big time. The streaks came out with some N-914.
 
I am currently in the middle of detailing my black 2010 Yukon and want to try this out (bought some, but haven’t used it yet). But I would like the paint to pop as best it can. I love using CG Blacklight on my Boston Green 97 M3 and then topping with Wolfgang Fuzion, but don’t want to waste that on the Yukon, plus I would like more durability since the Yukon lives outside and gets washed less often.

My question is can I use Blackfire SiO2 spray on top of CG Blacklight? I just don’t want to be wasting the durability properties if it can’t bond to the paint with the Blacklight on there.
Thanks in advance.


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ZippinGold612 said:
I am currently in the middle of detailing my black 2010 Yukon and want to try this out (bought some, but haven’t used it yet). But I would like the paint to pop as best it can. I love using CG Blacklight on my Boston Green 97 M3 and then topping with Wolfgang Fuzion, but don’t want to waste that on the Yukon, plus I would like more durability since the Yukon lives outside and gets washed less often.

My question is can I use Blackfire SiO2 spray on top of CG Blacklight? I just don’t want to be wasting the durability properties if it can’t bond to the paint with the Blacklight on there.
Thanks in advance.
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If BF SiO2 can be used as a topper on sealants and waxes it may be OK on Blacklight. But I think you might get fine pop without Blacklight if the paint is in good condition. What color is the Yukon paint? SiO2 looked great on solid black tried it on.
 
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