BLACKFIRE SiO2 Spray Sealant review by Mike Phillips

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I am currently in the middle of detailing my black 2010 Yukon and want to try this out (bought some, but haven’t used it yet). But I would like the paint to pop as best it can. I love using CG Blacklight on my Boston Green 97 M3 and then topping with Wolfgang Fuzion, but don’t want to waste that on the Yukon, plus I would like more durability since the Yukon lives outside and gets washed less often.

My question is can I use Blackfire SiO2 spray on top of CG Blacklight? I just don’t want to be wasting the durability properties if it can’t bond to the paint with the Blacklight on there.
Thanks in advance.


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I can't comment on Blacklight specifically but I've used this on top of AIO's and a mish-mash of other spray sealants without any problems.

A good quality AIO maintained with a durable spray sealant like BFSi02 is my go-to for daily drivers.
 
My question is can I use Blackfire SiO2 spray on top of CG Blacklight?

I just don’t want to be wasting the durability properties if it can’t bond to the paint with the Blacklight on there.

Thanks in advance.

I would say "no". You could try it. There's no LAW against this combo.


The CG Blacklight is an AIO or one-step cleaner/sealant. Like a cleaner/wax excetp instead of wax it uses a synthetic sealant for the protection aspect.

The BLACKFIRE Si02 would be best used on a finish that already has a coating on it or naked paint but I think it should work okay over an AIO.


If it were me? I would wash the car well, (and carefully), and then use this product. Most AIOs don't last but about 3 months. Could be some or most of your CG Blacklight is already worn off?



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More,

Here's a video on this product and this was the real deal, that is how I shared to use it and how I shared it made the paint feel. The key is the 2-towel technique.





And here's my review and how-to for this product. It is a really nice product on previously coated cars.


BLACKFIRE SiO2 Spray Sealant review by Mike Phillips


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SiO2 spray sealants can be used on top of anything. Doesn't matter. One of three things will happen.

A) The solvents in the spray sealant will strip off whatever was on the paint if what was on the paint was silicone or oil based.
B) The base layer is strong enough that the bonding agent just sat the product on top and off you go.
C) The base layer is only partially still existing due to longevity factor, bonding agent forms a partial bond, partially to paint, partially to whatever the base layer is.

Best way to tell if you can use a product on top of another product is if the product is recommended for only the paint or if the product is good to go for glass, paint, rims, headlights, etc.
 
SiO2 spray sealants can be used on top of anything. Doesn't matter. One of three things will happen.

A) The solvents in the spray sealant will strip off whatever was on the paint if what was on the paint was silicone or oil based.
B) The base layer is strong enough that the bonding agent just sat the product on top and off you go.
C) The base layer is only partially still existing due to longevity factor, bonding agent forms a partial bond, partially to paint, partially to whatever the base layer is.

Best way to tell if you can use a product on top of another product is if the product is recommended for only the paint or if the product is good to go for glass, paint, rims, headlights, etc.


And.... definitely can't hurt anything.


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It's funny because the more I go down the foxhole, the more I realise on one hand, I'm over thinking certain things. On the other hand, I'm not over thinking the right things.
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Best way to tell if you can use a product on top of another product is if the product is recommended for only the paint or if the product is good to go for glass, paint, rims, headlights, etc.
Sounds like you’re saying that products designed to be used on numerous surfaces are likely the best general toppers.
 
Sounds like you’re saying that products designed to be used on numerous surfaces are likely the best general toppers.

I tend to think that sticking in the same product line generates the best results due to similar chemistry. I would think that DP, Wolfgang, Blackfire and PBL would have some overlapping products which should work well together.
 
I tend to think that sticking in the same product line generates the best results due to similar chemistry. I would think that DP, Wolfgang, Blackfire and PBL would have some overlapping products which should work well together.
I totally agree. I’m a big synergy guy and have been since waxes and sealants. But I still find myself mixing and matching constantly fit hobby fun and just in case I stumble upon some mix I really like.
 
You either have to stick in the same product line or you learn the chemistry of a particular product. Other wise, there's a lot of wasted time and dollars spent. Ask me how I Know :D
 
Haven’t been here in a long while, due to other things ,but just wanted to reiterate that I really like this product. I was a crystal seal user for many years, and now I’ve got a new car and wanted to put something on it, I went to my Detailing shelf which is filled with tons of products, and grabbed this SIO2 spray after reading Mike’s how to application guide. I did exactly what he said to do, did a rinseless first with Echo2 And then just wiped it on. It went on easy with no streaking, easy to see because it’s a little bit thick when fresh, and then wiped it off quickly with a fresh microfiber. Results were outstanding, great reflection after 10 minutes.

One caveat: clean your towels ASAP......I waited overnight and my applicator towel was discolored pink....washed, still there. towel just as soft and intact, just discolored.
 
Retired and loving it....Never should’ve sold the vette, what a great car.
 
Morning everyone! I've read all the posts in this thread after receiving my latest Autogeek email regarding the Blackfire Sio2 product Sealant product. I haven't used a sealant before. But; as my wife and I are about to hit the road the middle of October, I'm getting ready for a detail on my ST, and also putting together a bag of goodies to take along to keep it looking great on the journey which will take us to Fort Worth, El Paso, Bisbee, AZ, Tucson, Phoenix, Prescott, the Grand Canyon, Lake Havasu, Hacienda Heights, CA, (a day trip to L.A. to visit the Peterson Automotive Museum), then on to Santa Monica to drive the Pacific Coast Highway to Carmel..

Before, I continue with our itinerary, back on topic!! :dblthumb2:

As always; I really enjoy Mike's videos along with the knowledge he shares with everyone! And; certainly, all the members here that contribute! It feels really good to be back into giving a dang how my ride looks!! Lol! For a few years, I really fell away from it.
The ST is looking fantastic since detailing it at the end of April with my Griot's G8, & G9 using BOSS Correcting Cream, and their PolyWax, following it up Griot's Best of Show Spray Wax on occasion! :xyxthumbs:
I'm thinking for my pre-trip detail, I'll wash using my clay towel, and possibly go ahead and use either the Blackfire SIO2 Sealant or maybe the HydroSeal variant. I'm a bit on the fence which might be my best option. I welcome all comments!
On the journey, I plan on taking My Griot's Bug Barricade, Wolfgang's Uber mixed as a quick detailer, several microfiber towels, possibly Poor Boy's World Waterless car wash (a product I've not used before), and a few other items. Oh! I'm ordering one of those collapsible buckets, as well!!

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Morning everyone! I've read all the posts in this thread after receiving my latest Autogeek email regarding the Blackfire Sio2 product Sealant product. I haven't used a sealant before. But; as my wife and I are about to hit the road the middle of October, I'm getting ready for a detail on my ST, and also putting together a bag of goodies to take along to keep it looking great on the journey which will take us to Fort Worth, El Paso, Bisbee, AZ, Tucson, Phoenix, Prescott, the Grand Canyon, Lake Havasu, Hacienda Heights, CA, (a day trip to L.A. to visit the Peterson Automotive Museum), then on to Santa Monica to drive the Pacific Coast Highway to Carmel..

Before, I continue with our itinerary, back on topic!! :dblthumb2:

As always; I really enjoy Mike's videos along with the knowledge he shares with everyone! And; certainly, all the members here that contribute! It feels really good to be back into giving a dang how my ride looks!! Lol! For a few years, I really fell away from it.
The ST is looking fantastic since detailing it at the end of April with my Griot's G8, & G9 using BOSS Correcting Cream, and their PolyWax, following it up Griot's Best of Show Spray Wax on occasion! :xyxthumbs:
I'm thinking for my pre-trip detail, I'll wash using my clay towel, and possibly go ahead and use either the Blackfire SIO2 Sealant or maybe the HydroSeal variant. I'm a bit on the fence which might be my best option. I welcome all comments!
On the journey, I plan on taking My Griot's Bug Barricade, Wolfgang's Uber mixed as a quick detailer, several microfiber towels, possibly Poor Boy's World Waterless car wash (a product I've not used before), and a few other items. Oh! I'm ordering one of those collapsible buckets, as well!!

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Probably skip the clay towel till you’re ready to polish again. Wash and dry and throw the si02 on it after. I use si02 after every wash on my PPF and ceramic coat. it’s amazing for shine and slickness of the surface. I use it as a quick detail spray too like the Meguires ceramic spray, don’t tell anyone though. Definitely some waterless wash is great for on the road, bring lots of detail towels as you said. Watch some videos on best practice waterless wash if you haven’t already. Just my 2 cents. Have a blast in Carmel it’s a beautiful place, safe travels.
 
I thought SiO2 was a ceramic coat. Please explain the differences besides the OCD issues applying many of these ceramic coatings.
 
Si02 Is a basic ingredient that they use in ceramic coatings, or one of the major ones. But it also can be put into a spray or a wax in a reduced amt. bottom line is an SI02 spray is not as durable as an SIo2 coding. But it’s a lot easier to put on. I’ve used blackfire a couple times and I much prefer spraying it on every quarter versus a permanent coding the lasts a couple years, I don’t want anything that permanent.
 
Si02 Is a basic ingredient that they use in ceramic coatings, or one of the major ones. But it also can be put into a spray or a wax in a reduced amt. bottom line is an SI02 spray is not as durable as an SIo2 coding. But it’s a lot easier to put on. I’ve used blackfire a couple times and I much prefer spraying it on every quarter versus a permanent coding the lasts a couple years, I don’t want anything that permanent.

Agree. A small amount of SiO2 is mixed into a lot of products these days due to improve/change properties of those products like sealants, quick detailers, wash soaps, etc. Just because it says "SiO2" or "Ceramic" in the name, doesn't mean it's a coating. In the case of Blackfire they even call it a sealant, which is nice.

The coating name has even been misused, IMO over the last few years, and advancements in products haven't helped. For me a coating is a high-solids product like CQuartz UK. In that product, you wipe it on and the carrier agent evaporates (i.e. the flashing everyone talks about) leaving the solids behind to bond with the surface of the vehicle. Products like CanCoat and CarPro Lite are similar, but I don't think the level of solids are as high and therefore the shorter lifespan, but the idea is the same as the products in the small glass bottles.

The products I mentioned have such high solids in their solutions, they will harden applicators and towels if just left to dry on their own and will become unusable. You also have to be very careful with an sprayers or droppers attached to the bottles because they will harden and you'll essentially have a form of glass develop. Many/most of the other products have far lower levels of solids. Usually just enough to improve the water behavior and maybe add a more reflective gloss.
 
Thanks for the clarity.... Problem I have with all the coatings is something called real life. In real life, cars get rubbed, scratched, debris falls off trucks, trees crap sap, WINTERetc.....Twice a year, things get cleaned up. Why go thru all the coating effort ? Unless its a garage queen. Then I could understand.
Blackfire SiO2 is a nice intermediate for those of us transitioning from our old traditions and damn its even easier than Phils video. Just like Collinite 845, less is more.
WOULD LOVE TO SEE A HIERARCHY OF ALL THESE PRODUCTS. Our You Tube tester is cutting thru all the fluff nicely. Lots of expensive products fail badly as do most of the Ebay crap.
 
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