Call to Ban YouTubers

Bob, Ric I apologize my post was not thought out.

You gentleman are correct. Actually I agree with you both.

What I meant to say was, my problem with YouTube channels they push products that don’t portray the truth.

Again, listen I’m not going bash them, (love everyone).

I do however think they as YouTube influences should have a level of responsibility not to stand behind a product that isn’t what they claim.

I’ve learned more from persons such as you Ric, and this forum it’s great.

But yes I respect your opinion, no need to argue with each other.

I’ve watched them all mostly and I can honestly say that the product they pushed me to buy, just wasted my time and money.

I do have a little problem with that aspect, but I’ll stop and won’t offend anyone, that’s not right.


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I don't disagree with many of the poss here but I also do not see the harm in allowing people to post their YT videos. They are on topic but I simply don't see how they harm anyone.
 
in my opinion its hard to trust any of them right now. some are out there pushing superior products and im sure getting paid for it. over time they lose there credibility. same thing with maxshine and superclean. the problem is there all getting painted with the same brush
 
Remarkable thread here.

When I drive down Main Street, there are some businesses I like and some businesses I don’t like. I don’t shop at the ones I don’t like. I still have to look at them (I wish I didn’t), but I don’t think they should be “banned”. That’s not the kind of governance I want.

As for this forum, AG makes the rules. And I’ll abide by them because I like it here.
 
custmsprty said:
You understand paid clicks? They make money every time u click!

That's how they become $$$$$ rich, they get paid for clicks, just ask the Kardashians.
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I rarely click. For the most part I enjoy their garage setups and tools.
 
john b said:
in my opinion its hard to trust any of them right now. some are out there pushing superior products and im sure getting paid for it. over time they lose there credibility. same thing with maxshine and superclean. the problem is there all getting painted with the same brush
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According to the FCC (I think that is correct) a person needs to be clear when they are promoting a product and getting paid for that promotion. Certainly larger Youtubers will be sure to comply as they risk having their channel shut down.
 
The harm they do is when they don't recommend products that are actually good or are actually damaging because they don't understand the chemical reactions behind it or a case of they're causing people to buy stuff because they're sponsored people shilling it out.

So the damage done are people either wasting their money or causing damage to their cars. Especially on this forum where the usual posters here are helpful and provide information based on first hand experience.

Using myself as an example, I ignored the graphene hype until Guz and BudgetPlan used it and I got their initial review on it. Apex Detail gets his graphene stuff from a retailer in Canada here, oddly enough. I ordered from the same retailer (THey're an Autogeek reseller in Canada) after a few emails back and forth about the product. Apex Detail, I watched how he applied the coating but ignored his claims or his "tests". For example, washing the car multiple times to test a graphene based detail spray? Good car soap shouldn't do much to it but it gives the idea that it's this super powerful product that will do so many things. Reality, it doesn't. It does add slickness and is a good product but the water beading is not the same and neither is the protective properties behind it.

However if you don't know better, you're gonna go out and spend like 80 dollars on this product thinking it's some crazy miracle product. That to me is the harm in things like that. Versus say if that same person came to the forum and asked a few questions around and would get an honest opinion. And Apex Detail got his graphene products for free. That I confirmed with the retailer. Now did they pay him to do a review? I don't know. But I do know that a lot of people have wasted money on it thinking it's something else.

Or in TrustJesus's issue, some youtube video guy told him to use APC on the leather of his steering wheel. Here, most of us would recommend a test spot before full on doing anything.

So imagine you're a guy with an expensive car and expensive leather but you watch a youtube video they posted here. Autogeek has a good reputation so there's no way that video would cause their cars harm if they follow what they do right? Except... ya know.. it does.




tcope said:
I don't disagree with many of the poss here but I also do not see the harm in allowing people to post their YT videos. They are on topic but I simply don't see how they harm anyone.
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If the YT guys stick around and vouched for their video and discussed on the forum, that gives more information for a reader to decide if the product is something they could use.

If the video makes something bland sound awesome and the YT guy doesn’t post anything else when questions arise, and the YT sharer gets paid while normal forum users are getting duped or confused about a product’s worthiness, that seems to go against what this forum is about. I’m all for free market but the rules on this website steer away from driving profit for users.

I’m not here trying to sell detailing supplies, but I’ll let someone know if I like a product and why. The vacant YouTubers are literally just selling their videos/clicks with no intention of free, productive information.
 
@FUNX650 I publicly apologize to you and ElDorado2K if my post offended you gentlemen.
I will be a man and humble myself and apologize publicly.

Here is what I really meant to say, and if Autogeek moderators get upset for mentioning products that don’t sell here , we’ll I don’t mean to offend them also just speaking my mind and clear things up.

Way before I heard or even signed up for Autogeek I started cleaning our truck by purchasing Mothers products at my local store. I felt I did a good job, I kept it basic and simple and had fun. Our truck kept looking nice.

Then I wanted to up my game and started watching YouTube detailer and they start talking about Super clean and Purple power to use on clients cars. They also recommend you take a toothbrush and “deep clean” your leather and steering wheel. Well now my steering wheel is trashed for listening to them. Are they going come buy me a new one? All the delicate surfaces ins my interior are trashed, again for following the “right way” to “detail”.

That is what I meant, I should have clarified from the beginning instead of having fear of being rejected.
For the record, I was NOT talking about Mothers, Meguiar's, Chemical Guys I love those products.

But to finish I wouldn’t want anyone using super clean or purple power, or even someone making there “own APC at home” to save a few bucks, who knows what damage could be done to my interior.


But if your the detailer who feels super clean and purple power are great products, hey we all have our likes. I respect what you like, but I don’t feel the same way about them. Does that mean I’m right or wrong, no we all have our products gentlemen. Some people dislike Mothers, I personally like them.
 
TrustJesus said:
@FUNX650 I publicly apologize to you and ElDorado2K if my post offended you gentlemen.
I will be a man and humble myself and apologize publicly.

Here is what I really meant to say, and if Autogeek moderators get upset for mentioning products that don’t sell here , we’ll I don’t mean to offend them also just speaking my mind and clear things up.

Way before I heard or even signed up for Autogeek I started cleaning our truck by purchasing Mothers products at my local store. I felt I did a good job, I kept it basic and simple and had fun. Our truck kept looking nice.

Then I wanted to up my game and started watching YouTube detailer and they start talking about Super clean and Purple power to use on clients cars. They also recommend you take a toothbrush and “deep clean” your leather and steering wheel. Well now my steering wheel is trashed for listening to them. Are they going come buy me a new one? All the delicate surfaces ins my interior are trashed, again for following the “right way” to “detail”.

That is what I meant, I should have clarified from the beginning instead of having fear of being rejected.
For the record, I was NOT talking about Mothers, Meguiar's, Chemical Guys I love those products.

But to finish I wouldn’t want anyone using super clean or purple power, or even someone making there “own APC at home” to save a few bucks, who knows what damage could be done to my interior.


But if your the detailer who feels super clean and purple power are great products, hey we all have our likes. I respect what you like, but I don’t feel the same way about them. Does that mean I’m right or wrong, no we all have our products gentlemen. Some people dislike Mothers, I personally like them.
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This isn’t about products, it’s about ethics! These guys come here to promote themselves without taking the time to contribute to the forum. Take The Guz for example, he takes the time to test,document and is up front on whether the product was given to him to test/review. He’ll give you a honest opinion not only in his post but further down the road if a question arises. That’s called integrity.

Many guys share their work and list the products that were used which is great. The key is they also discuss and help others that have questions without going over the top on trying to sell.
 
Most of Pan’s video’s posted here are usually promoting ( if promoting) products sold on autogeek. Just another known entity vouching for products the sell. I think it helps both out. Stauffer.... well i dont know much about him but what i have read makes his family seem....not nice....Again read so don’t know how much is factual.

His videos do nothing to promote anything to do with autogeek. He doesn’t even really give good how to’s.

But if your going to make youtube videos of infuencers you dont like banned autogeek would probably ban all as they could not puck and choose who is helpful.

But if we go down this road what about detailers who own their own companies. Alot drop by to post pics of their details to promote their detailing companies but don’t see barely in any threads. I’ve seen them solicit views, likes and comments on their social media’s. I get it it’s a trade to them and they may feel why help them out their hurting my trade( most of us will never go to a pro). Do they go too?

For me the look at what i did and then gone detailers frustrate me but i just don’t click on their threads and try to make sure to give kudos to the ones who actually do help us out.

Whats funny is this thread got 50 plus comments of people complaining that someone just trying to make a living by dropping videos that us regulars probably dont click on anyways..... but the ones when people ask questions and need help literally will hav like 3-5 responses.

I mean just to be honest a couple i asked last year pretty much only got answered by a few people who i regularly see trying to help other people as well. Most of them haven’t commented on this thread.....


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I’m waiting for an employee of Autogeek to chime in on this topic. It’s going to be up to them if any rules get changed.
 
Cancel culture is a cancer i would have hoped to never see on this forum.

If they post a video on the forum, maybe go to the comments section of the video

and let all of the viewers know how great off a company autogeek is for letting them post.

Maybe drive some business to autogeek.
 
The point of this was to, in my opinion, point out the 2 worst offenders of dropping videos for clicks, and offer nothing else to the forum. Pros that leave pics of cars they have done, at least for the most Part, give a pretty detailed list of products used, most of which can be purchased at AutoGeek.
 
TrustJesus said:
@FUNX650 I publicly apologize to you and ElDorado2K if my post offended you gentlemen.
I will be a man and humble myself and apologize publicly.
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There’s absolutely no need apologize... I wasn’t offended in the least bit, nor do I consider anything in this thread to be argumentative.

If anything, it brought back memories of years ago when I once asked the question about whether I was going to get lesser results from using OTC products during my very 1st time polishing my car and long story short the pros told me the answer was no.
 
Strong66 said:
Cancel culture is a cancer i would have hoped to never see on this forum.

If they post a video on the forum, maybe go to the comments section of the video

and let all of the viewers know how great off a company autogeek is for letting them post.

Maybe drive some business to autogeek.
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Been casually watching this thread develop and I’m split on the topic. While I agree with the OP and many others asking for the banning of YT’ers, I also despise cancel culture and the outrage that comes with it. Granted we don’t have to click the videos, we don’t have to open the thread because we can see the same 2 offenders names listed as the thread creators, but I can understand wanting to have these 2 people removed based on the fact they don’t interact with the community.

The one major example I can think of is with Pan and the launch of Hybrid Solutions from Turtle Wax. He posted a thread about the HS line and this is quoted from his first post..

“Hi guys!

Turtle Wax recently unveiled their new 2020 lineup of products called HYBRID SOLUTIONS. I was invited at the event which reunited some of the most popular car detailing Youtubers all under the same roof! I take you along with me for the ride.

Enjoy the video!”

This came before Autogeek confirmed they’d be carrying the line or posted anything about it themselves. The first few posts were, if AG sells this, were you sponsered/“hooked up”/shilling products. He responded only once in the thread saying,

“Not yet as they're not officially released, but I'm sure you will, as there were people from the AutoGeek management team over at the Turtle Wax event.”

Link to that thread https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...ducts-2020-hybrid-solutions.html#post_1653849

I think this is the problem with YT’ers on the forum who DO NOT INTERACT!! Do we really care what Pan has to say? It’s always this is the best product and you need it now, here’s why, reads product label... He’s not a community member in the sense of how I view many of us and why not wait 8-10 more days when AG officially launched the Hyrbid Solutions line.

We truly are a community and there are many on here to respond to posts multiple times a day, respond to questions raised not only in their own threads, but any thread which has a question they may be able to answer. If the Guz, AcuRAS82 or Pats300zx or many other long time, community members leave a review, have a link for a YouTube video to accompany the review it’s truly to help the whole of the community.

Sometimes leaving a few pictures and typing out a long post(like I am) to actually explain what’s going on in the review takes 10-15 minutes. Heck I’ve spent around 30 minutes before linking pictures, adding text to explain the pictures and then having follow up DISCUSSION. These guys spend hours editing videos(I know because I’ve made a few myself so totally understand), post it on here and are gone until they get another one ready to post. Meanwhile they never responded to the previous post that may have a few questions regarding products tips and procedures. Who do you see respond to them though? You guessed it, many of us long time
forum community members.

It unfortunately leaves a bad taste in the mouths of many of us here as can be seen in this thread and a recent one posted by Stauffer(idk his name on here). It makes us take up arms and put up defenses because they really are not “part of the community” like the rest of us. That’s how I see it at least and we come on here to talk detailing, relax a bit, make some online friends as you get to TALK/CHAT/DISCUSS with them more and more. I don’t want to have to dodge another video by, Orangevee(spam the organizer) or Stauffer(I’ll leave my view of him out of this), because to me it is only SPAM.

As to your last couple sentences, I think that’s great! Leaving a comment and link to Autogeek is a genius idea!
 
I’m not for the moderators banning people... I think our collective opinions do a well enough job against these types of annoyances.
 
I think an addendum to the rules is needed here. When the rules were first written YT spam wasn’t an issue even thought about. Times have changed and advanced and so should the rules. Any Autogeek staff care to comment?
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Most of Pan’s video’s posted here are usually promoting ( if promoting) products sold on autogeek. Just another known entity vouching for products the sell. I think it helps both out. Stauffer.... well i dont know much about him but what i have read makes his family seem....not nice....Again read so don’t know how much is factual.

His videos do nothing to promote anything to do with autogeek. He doesn’t even really give good how to’s.

But if your going to make youtube videos of infuencers you dont like banned autogeek would probably ban all as they could not puck and choose who is helpful.

But if we go down this road what about detailers who own their own companies. Alot drop by to post pics of their details to promote their detailing companies but don’t see barely in any threads. I’ve seen them solicit views, likes and comments on their social media’s. I get it it’s a trade to them and they may feel why help them out their hurting my trade( most of us will never go to a pro). Do they go too?

For me the look at what i did and then gone detailers frustrate me but i just don’t click on their threads and try to make sure to give kudos to the ones who actually do help us out.

Whats funny is this thread got 50 plus comments of people complaining that someone just trying to make a living by dropping videos that us regulars probably dont click on anyways..... but the ones when people ask questions and need help literally will hav like 3-5 responses.

I mean just to be honest a couple i asked last year pretty much only got answered by a few people who i regularly see trying to help other people as well. Most of them haven’t commented on this thread.....


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Good points.
 
The videos don't bother me. This is such a niche community I don't think it needs to be any more exclusive.

However my real respect goes out to the members who give their time testing and following up. Just look at all the info in the sealant comparison thread. That's how you find products that will stand the test of time imo.

I'd rather we ignore youtubers who don't engage and leave the door open for them to do the same.
 
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