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I'm shocked at how small your brakes are Deyon, especially for a heavier car like you mentioned. For comparison sakes, my EN weighs 3200 lbs and has 14.2" front brakes and 13.6" rears. Although not Brembos the front calipers are pretty big, maybe off of one of their larger SUV's, maybe not and the pads are aggressive, so when it comes time for pads, I'll be getting some carbon ceramic replacement as I don't track my car.

Looking forward to this uograde Deyon

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As a comparison the FJs front discs are 319mm X 28mm vented, and the rears are 312mm X 18mm solid. I still haven't replaced the front pads since I got it in 2017, they'd just been done before I bought it, so that's around 90k km on these pads. I have done the rears, the discs are a little warped, so when I replace them I'll be changing to vented at the rear, a recommended upgrade apparently.

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I'm shocked at how small your brakes are Deyon, especially for a heavier car like you mentioned. For comparison sakes, my EN weighs 3200 lbs and has 14.2" front brakes and 13.6" rears. Although not Brembos the front calipers are pretty big, maybe off of one of their larger SUV's, maybe not and the pads are aggressive, so when it comes time for pads, I'll be getting some carbon ceramic replacement as I don't track my car.

Looking forward to this uograde Deyon

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Yep, way small. My XR6 has a listed curb weight of 1728 kg or 3809 lbs.

The brakes look even worse if you ordered the 19-inch wheels!



Again, was all about cost control. And that referred to manufacturing costs, but also keeping the service costs low for fleets. I remember when Ford went from 10,000 km to 15,000 km service intervals back in 2000 on the Falcon, it ended up being a huge selling feature for fleets.

If you think those are small, on pre 2002 models the disks were 287mm all round, pre 2000 they had single piston calipers on each corner. And yes, everyone from the press to the owners complained about them.

I learnt to drive in, among others, my parents then brand-new 2003 Falcon Futura sedan. It too had the 298mm / 303mm size brakes but a curb weight of about 1694 kg or 3734 lbs. Now, on the Futura and XR6, the brakes in normal, everyday driving are perfectly acceptable............as in they stop the car. Step up to more performance orientated driving, and the wilt fast. And that doesn't necessarily mean driving like lunatic either.



I remember going on a family holiday through the Victoria high-country, so a lot of climbing and descending along winding roads. With the big Barra 4.0 up front, the Futura had no trouble with the climbing aspect, even when laden with four people and their luggage. But the descending part was a different story, the brakes protesting loudly and shuddering in short order.
 
No pictures or big write up this week, although I snuck in a sanity detail in on the Wildtrak. Wheels were cleaned with OG Decon Soap, which I also used as the pre-soak. I then washed with Incredible Suds, I love this for the cleaning ability and the super easy rinse off, important on such a large vehicle. Drying Aid was KCx S0.02, the Can Coat EVO is now starting to wane a little on the lowers. Tires dressed with Perl at 1:1, interior wiped down with InnerQD. I also dressed the rubber floor mats and exterior side-steps with KCx Guf, love that stuff!

But, I've gone and dropped some cash on a selection of car parts...............................why did I choose the most expensive hobby?








Those brackets were used on selected XR6 Turbo, XR8 and Territory SUV models and allow for the fitment of a larger front rotor. This then allows you to run the standard caliper, which is mounted and slides on the bracket, hence why these are called sliding calipers.



I then reached out to a supplier in Sydney who deals with brake upgrades on late model Falcon's and Commodores, and now have the following on the way -

Front DBA T3 Slotted Rotors 322mm (vented)
Rear DBA T3 Slotted Rotors 303mm (solid)

Front Project MU NS-EP Pads (low dust/noise)
Rear DBA SP Pads

I also asked him to quote me on a set of braided stainless steel brake lines, which I wasn't originally going to do, but have since decided to take the plunge and do that as well. The braided lines should take out the mushy feeling that I have noticed with all PBR caliper equipped Falcon's going back to the BA Falcon in 2002. I also had someone point out that the original rubber lines are now over 15 years old, so I guess this is in effect preventative maintenance.

The pads were a compromise, I didn't want dust or noise, so I'm sure I could have upped the performance even further if that wasn't a priority. For the record, the standard Falcon pads NEVER once dusted.

The above is about as far I can upgrade without changing calipers too, which is technically possible. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to put a Brembo kit on this car, but I would need new wheels to go with that.



The actual wheel diameter is not the problem, Ford did use 355mm rotors and 4-piston Brembo's with 18-inch wheels on selection of models, but rather the back of the spokes are not dished out enough to clear the front of the caliper. Then adding up the price of a full Brembo 4/4 piston caliper/rotor/pad/brake line set, then adding the price of new wheels and tires would approach half the price of the car itself. I like setting fire to cash, but even I have a limit.
 
Yeah, your staying true to yourself with this upgrade Deyon, good call

Those Brembos are nice, no doubt but had you went with them what color would the calipers had been

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Yeah, your staying true to yourself with this upgrade Deyon, good call

Those Brembos are nice, no doubt but had you went with them what color would the calipers had been

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The red would look great against Sensation Blue, but I would have gone with the black versions for a more subtle look.
 
The red would look great against Sensation Blue, but I would have gone with the black versions for a more subtle look.
I think we have similar tastes, thought you might say a blue that close to your paint color

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I sent the following to Ford Customer Service last week -

"Good afternoon,

In September 2022, I placed a deposit to be on the waiting list for the all-new Mustang at my local Ford dealer.

Both then and now, I knew the waiting period would be long, so that is not the reason for this email.

In Jan/Feb 2023, my dealer asked for my preferred model, colour, transmission, and options.

In May 2023, the dealer provided me with a NSC number.

In late July, I was advised of an October build allocation.

That’s the last I have heard. Again, its not the waiting that is annoying me.

At this point, I have no idea what this vehicle is going to cost me, or if my chosen model, colour, transmission, and options have been accepted. (For the record, a Mustang GT Hardtop, Race Red, Automatic transmission, Black Package and Magneride.) So, I have a car ordered with an October build slot with no confirmed price, no confirmed build spec and no idea when it will arrive.

My main concern though is not knowing what my car will be when it turns up. As car enthusiasts, buying a new car is a special occasion, especially on a highly desirable enthusiast model like the Mustang. As a customer, Ford did not allow me the ability properly consider and place an order with all the cards on the table. I am not alone in this situation, I’m one of many who have stayed loyal to Ford, have placed deposits, and effectively committed to the purchase only to be left dangling on the hook, waiting for any form of communication from Ford Australia.

To be completely fair to my Ford dealer, they are as frustrated and bemused as I am. The complete lack of communication between Ford Australia, its dealers and ultimately the customers is very disappointing.

It would be good to get some clarity on this situation.

Thank you for your time,"




Today I was phoned by someone at Ford Customer Service, who went on to read me a pre-written spiel. I'm not dramatizing here, this is basically what they told me..................."we don't have information on new cars, talk to your dealer..........."................in other words, we have no idea about what we are selling. And to be frank, that was not what I was asking about, just give me the price and confirm my build!

What a bunch of monkeys. Are the selling this car or not? The longer this draws out, I suspect they aren't. Meanwhile, my dealer is earning interest off my deposit while I sit around hoping someone at Ford remembers that they have a huge waiting list on a car that is NOT a Ranger or Everest.

Put it this way, I could have gone and bought something else while I waited for this car, at this point, I don't care anymore. Fu.k You Ford Australia.
 
So...what are you getting now Deyon

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We're just too small a market, these dealers only seem interested in what they can sell lots of. It looks like Toyota is sticking with an updated version of the old 2.8 diesel in the new Prado, because that's what "everyone" wants. The new GR Sport Hilux looked good, then I saw how slow it was compared to the new V6 Petrol Raptor, almost double the time to 100 kmh, and they think customers will be happy with that. Although I read today that those new Raptors are having engine issues, the tech bulletin gives a series of things to check that eventually lead to an engine replacement, all starting with a rough idle. But at least they're doing something to fix it for the customers.

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We're just too small a market, these dealers only seem interested in what they can sell lots of. It looks like Toyota is sticking with an updated version of the old 2.8 diesel in the new Prado, because that's what "everyone" wants. The new GR Sport Hilux looked good, then I saw how slow it was compared to the new V6 Petrol Raptor, almost double the time to 100 kmh, and they think customers will be happy with that. Although I read today that those new Raptors are having engine issues, the tech bulletin gives a series of things to check that eventually lead to an engine replacement, all starting with a rough idle. But at least they're doing something to fix it for the customers.

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I will say that it's not the dealers who are at fault here, they are stuck in the middle waiting for Ford to release pricing and expected release dates. The car has been on sale for months now in the US, even Ford New Zealand have released pricing. The dealers want to be able to nail down their deal but can't because Ford are holding back. Then to insult my intelligence, Ford tell me to go ask my dealer or stock controller, but how do I do that when they don't know either.

Again, I'm not annoyed at the wait, I expected that. But to be left hanging indefinitely is just not good enough. I've bought or been responsible for 13 different Fords, have stood up for them when everyone bagged the company.

So...what are you getting now Deyon

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I have a shortlist, but I'm pretty pis.ed off at the moment to even care. At the end of the day, I have no need for a new car really.
 
I will say that it's not the dealers who are at fault here, they are stuck in the middle waiting for Ford to release pricing and expected release dates. The car has been on sale for months now in the US, even Ford New Zealand have released pricing. The dealers want to be able to nail down their deal but can't because Ford are holding back. Then to insult my intelligence, Ford tell me to go ask my dealer or stock controller, but how do I do that when they don't know either.

Again, I'm not annoyed at the wait, I expected that. But to be left hanging indefinitely is just not good enough. I've bought or been responsible for 13 different Fords, have stood up for them when everyone bagged the company.



I have a shortlist, but I'm pretty pis.ed off at the moment to even care. At the end of the day, I have no need for a new car really.
I barely remember your list but if you do go with a Mustang replacement I'm sure it's going to be awesome!

Btw thanks for the Vantage V600 vids, I watched the Tiff one and another one from some guys I had never heard of but enjoyed, it was a black LeMan version, 1 of 40. Come to think about Deyon, maybe you could look for one of those V600's

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I was lucky with my Maverick but I know a lot of folks who ordered one had a very similar experience to you. And that’s American market; it’s not just Australia.
 
Two heavy boxes arrived from Race Brakes Sydney this morning..................

Race Brakes Sydney | Brakes



322mm T3 vented front rotors (not shown), 303mm T3 solid rears, Project Mu NS-EP front pads, DBA SP rear pads, 4 braided hoses + hardware, two front caliper brackets (sourced elsewhere). The rotors are very, very nicely finished.

The hard part? Finding the time to install it all.
 
You know the trick when doing brake lines to have/keep the pedal depressed before you crack a line loose, right? Like putting your finger over the top of a straw it blocks the feed ports in the master and prevents the system from bleeding out while you work.

Makes bleeding when you’re done waaay easier.

Looking forward to seeing the brake parts on and seeing what you think!
 
You know the trick when doing brake lines to have/keep the pedal depressed before you crack a line loose, right? Like putting your finger over the top of a straw it blocks the feed ports in the master and prevents the system from bleeding out while you work.

Makes bleeding when you’re waaay easier.

Looking forward to seeing the brake parts on and seeing what you think!

So, I was going to do all this myself, everything is a simple bolt on and no need to bleed the brakes as the calipers are not disconnected. But then I decided to order the braided hoses and that went out the window. I've booked the car in with my Mechanic to do the lot for me.
 
So, I was going to do all this myself, everything is a simple bolt on and no need to bleed the brakes as the calipers are not disconnected. But then I decided to order the braided hoses and that went out the window. I've booked the car in with my Mechanic to do the lot for me.
Great time management move Deyon

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I've been very fortunate to have been sent a selection of Bilt Hamber products to sample.



I've been using Bilt Hamber Surfex for a while now and have been very impressed with the cleaning ability, but until now I haven't delved deeper than that. That's mainly because of Bilt Hamber's convoluted dilution requirements that require more than a simple ratio calculation. I'm not the first to make that comment either. But, I think there is some interesting products within the range that warrant the math.

First of which is Touchless.



Confession, I tried this on the Ranger yesterday and was less than impressed, in fact, I sort of had a little tantrum. Some of that was from being extremely tired after working 6 days straight, some of that was then spilling the foam cannon bottle and its contents over the bench (again, tired), and some of that from sub-par results. In truth, I probably shouldn't have been messing around in the garage in that state of mind.

Today, I upped the concentration of product in the foam cannon and got better results..............much better results!



And no, that was not my Ranger. With mine having a service, this filthy loan car was the perfect gunnie pig for the test. This Ranger XL was covered in mud, bugs and road grime.







Check out the puddle of brown dripping from the vehicle.................



Touchless is a very high alkaline soap, sitting at around pH 12.0, so I would be cautious with what you use it on. If your car is ceramic coated, then this wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. It also doesn't produce shaving cream-like foam, producing a runnier fluid film that drags contamination off the car as it drips down the panel.

I foamed Touchless on from dry and allowed to soak for several minutes. I then rinsed the car and watched in amazement at how most, if not all, contamination rinsed cleanly from the car. Was it 100% perfect, no, that would be wanting too much. To be fair, most people would be more than happy with the result, however from my perspective it provides a cleaner surface to perform the contact wash on to get that last 10% remaining.

I actually stopped right there, blew the car down and called it good. Lets just say the service advisor was impressed with how clean the vehicle was from nothing more than a foam and rinse.

Something you will note with Bilt Hamber products is a lack of scent. Touchless and AutoFoam are no different, having that rather distinct detergent smell to them, not pleasant, not unpleasant. These are workhorse chemicals, designed to perform and nothing else.

Next was Atom Mac, an anti-corrosion agent.



I've been using Hydes Serum Rustopper for brake rotors for a while now, Atom Mac is a similar product that is sold in concentrate form rather than RTU. Application is the same in that you spray the rotors after washing to prevent the film of rust forming as it dries.



Atom Mac seems more effective here than Hydes, but I still need more time with it. As you can see above, the rotors are largely rust free after treatment and drying. Compare that to below for an untreated rotor.................





Some would question what's the big deal with rusty rotors, that they only stay that way for a few seconds. However, that rust has to go somewhere............all over your freshly cleaned wheels. On black or dark coloured wheels, you will notice this instantly.





Interesting to note that the above Ranger XL was the 2WD model with the base powertrain, a single turbo 2.0 diesel with the older 6R80 6-speed automatic. Till now, I've only driven the 2.0 in Bi-Turbo and 10-speed format. I was set to be disappointed but...................I think I like this powertrain more.

A lot of that centers around the 6-speed gearbox shifting in a more normal manner, as in not skipping gears. As such, it seems to shift smoother, both up and down the ratios, nor does it have that "busy" sound and feeling of the 10-speed. It's also seems better at auto rev matching when manually downshifted.

Up until this point, I've been set on ordering an XL 4X4 to get access to the Bi-Turbo and 10-speed if I ever did decide to update. But after this, maybe I don't need the Bi-Turbo after all?
 
Glad you figured out Touchless Deyon, it and Auto-foam are INCREDIBLE products

Those are some big test bottles to "try out", someone likes you and notices your posts here for sure

Looking forward to your thoughts on the other products too, like their quick detailer because it's a concentrate it's a great value

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Glad you figured out Touchless Deyon, it and Auto-foam are INCREDIBLE products

Those are some big test bottles to "try out", someone likes you and notices your posts here for sure

Looking forward to your thoughts on the other products too, like their quick detailer because it's a concentrate it's a great value

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The chemical bottles are only half full, still generous though. The wax's and clay bars are naturally full quantities though.

I'm researching information on all of the products in that collection. Considering Auto Foam and Touchless are both high-pH soaps, what separates these two?
 
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