DFB's Soapy Notes

WASH AND WAX SERIES - Continued.............................

Ethos Ceramic Shampoo –
While specifically designed to work with ceramic coatings, this soap will also play with waxes and sealants. With Si02 in the formula, Ceramic Shampoo will enhance and prolong the underlying ceramic coating, while also providing sufficient cleaning ability and foam. Unlike other products here, Ethos Ceramic Shampoo has a less obvious look and feel after use, Ethos suggesting the “hydrophobic effects increase with every wash, water beading effect does not appear instantaneously upon first use.” To me, this means it contains less Si02, so don’t expect this to transform bare paint.

Of the soaps tested, this is the one I liked the most, and by a clear margin too. The fact it actually foams is a big part of that! The pleasant “cucumber-melon" scent of Ceramic Shampoo is quite subdued compared to other Ethos products. Slickness was decent too. Probably the only one of these I would buy again.

Lubrication – 8/10
Cleaning Ability – 8/10
Scent – 8/10
PH Level – 7.5 (claimed)
Consistency – Medium thickness
Overall Rating – 8/10





Koch Chemie Nano Magic – Described as a high-gloss soap with long-term sealing properties, it won’t strip previously applied waxes and sealants. Don’t go into this product expecting GSF levels of foam quality, but it does blanket the vehicle in a thin layer of soap that holds on quite nicely. Using the wash mitt and then rinsing activates that Si02 element.

In use, the soap is decently slick, but again, not to GSF levels. The scent is that very distinctive and pleasant KCx aroma. Interestingly, the pH level is acidic leaning. Nano Magic is best used as a light maintenance rather than a heavy-duty cleaning soap, just don't expect it to transform flat, un-protected paint. I've also found it to induce sheeting rather than ultra strong beading like Hydr02 Foam does.

Lubrication – 8/10
Cleaning Ability 7/10
Scent – Hard to describe
PH Level – 5.5
Consistency – Thin
Overall Rating – 7/10





Conclusions -

I've come to the realization that these soaps are not for me. While they certainly add some protection and slickness to the equation, they lack the foaming ability that I prefer and have a strange feeling underneath the wash media.

Of the soaps used for this comparison, the clear winner for me was Ethos Ceramic Shampoo, primarily because it foamed properly and felt the nicest to work with. Carpro Hydr02 Foam seemed to have the most protection potency, but was a letdown in every other way. Inspiration Radiance produced the most visible gloss and slickness improvement. Of the products that produced watery foam, Nano Magic seemed to have the most holding power.

While I can see these soaps have a purpose, they are targeted at a very specific user who just wants some beading and gloss without having to apply a ceramic coating, wax or sealant. For me, what they bring to the table does not out way their lack of foaming ability, lower cleaning potential, so-so slickness or weird scents.
 
Three additional soaps to add to the shoot-out -

Armour Detail Supply Shampoo+ - Having just gone on sale in Australia, Armour Detail Supply has hit the ground running with a range of products that have garnered plenty of praise. With that in mind, I was keen to try Shampoo+. The focus here was for a pure, pH neutral maintenance wash that can be used in both a foam cannon or bucket. While expensive, its relatively concentrated, with does rates for a foam cannon in the 30 – 90ml range depending on foam preferences.

The first thing you notice with this soap is how easily it pours, similar to NV Snow or Carpro Reset. The scent, like the rest of the ADS lineup, is extremely pleasant and is refreshingly different to the usual berry/bubble gum/cherry scents that are common to wash soaps. Foam quality will range from thin and watery, right out to shaving cream foam. Slickness and cleaning ability and great. In many ways, Shampoo+ is on par with Reset in being a top level soap. But for whatever reason, I still prefer Reset.

Lubrication – 9/10
Cleaning Ability – 9/10
Scent – Subtle, pleasant
PH Level – 7.5 (claimed)
Consistency – Runny
Overall Rating – 9/10





3D Ultimate Wash – This is another relatively new soap on the market that sits above the regular 3D line as a premium offering. Ultimate Wash is pH neutral and produces much thicker foam compared to the thin/watery foam of 3D Pink. Strangely, the 473ml bottles are both priced the same at $29.99 (AUD), however no gallon size is offered. They do offer a 1.9-litre size sitting at $49.99 (AUD), which compares to the $45.99 (AUD) asking price for a gallon of 3D Pink.

The first thing you notice with Ultimate Wash is the thicker consistency combined with the stupid pop-top cap that makes it hard to dose out. Foaming ability is excellent, producing a thick blanket over the vehicle. Slickness is ok, the mandarin-orange scent ok. Apart from the foamability, the best aspect of this soap is the easy rinse off. Other than being hard to pour, Ultimate Wash doesn’t do anything wrong but doesn’t excel at anything either. Overall, a workhorse soap at a premium price point.

Lubrication – 7/10
Cleaning Ability – 8/10
Scent – Orange-mandarin scent, faint
PH Level – 7.5 (claimed)
Consistency – Thick
Overall Rating – 6/10





Armour Detail Supply Decon Soap – As the name suggests, this is soap designed for decontamination purposes. With a pH of 12.0, this alkaline soap can be used to strip older waxes and sealants prior to a new application. It can also help revive an existing ceramic coating or be used as a heavier duty maintenance soap to assist in the removal of bugs and baked on grime. ADS also make mention of the surfactants being safe for semi-regular use on all surfaces, including paint, plastic, and metal.

Producing ultra thick foam, Decon Soap has a high cling rate that allows for an extended dwell period. It’s very easy to pour, just like their Shampoo+, and does well as a bucket soap. The scent is a faint hint of citrus, but is mostly like the other high-alkaline soaps on the market.

Lubrication – 8/10
Cleaning Ability – 9/10
Scent – Slight citrus aroma
PH Level – 12.0 (claimed)
Consistency – Runny
Overall Rating – 8/10



Next? Well, I'm not sure really. I have a handful of soaps that have been in the cabinet for a while now that I haven't even touched. Both Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam and Auto-Wash were sent to me to sample, but without a scent or colour, they just don't have a wow factor. I also have a bottle of Bathe+ that was supposed to go in the wash-n-wax series, but its convoluted application process seems more of an inconvenience than the suggested time saving concept.

At some point, I would love to compare a range of soaps sold through the big-box chain stores. The goal would be to find the best freely available soap on the market, but I suspect I already know the result of that before I've even begun. I'm also still waiting for Koch Chemie to release Reactivation Shampoo and S0.03 Hydro Foam, and the smaller 1-liter size of Active Foam, but it seems KCx Australia are lost at sea.

So, if you have a soap you want me to compare, shout out.
 
Three additional soaps to add to the shoot-out -

Armour Detail Supply Shampoo+ - Having just gone on sale in Australia, Armour Detail Supply has hit the ground running with a range of products that have garnered plenty of praise. With that in mind, I was keen to try Shampoo+. The focus here was for a pure, pH neutral maintenance wash that can be used in both a foam cannon or bucket. While expensive, its relatively concentrated, with does rates for a foam cannon in the 30 – 90ml range depending on foam preferences.

The first thing you notice with this soap is how easily it pours, similar to NV Snow or Carpro Reset. The scent, like the rest of the ADS lineup, is extremely pleasant and is refreshingly different to the usual berry/bubble gum/cherry scents that are common to wash soaps. Foam quality will range from thin and watery, right out to shaving cream foam. Slickness and cleaning ability and great. In many ways, Shampoo+ is on par with Reset in being a top level soap. But for whatever reason, I still prefer Reset.

Lubrication – 9/10
Cleaning Ability – 9/10
Scent – Subtle, pleasant
PH Level – 7.5 (claimed)
Consistency – Runny
Overall Rating – 9/10





3D Ultimate Wash – This is another relatively new soap on the market that sits above the regular 3D line as a premium offering. Ultimate Wash is pH neutral and produces much thicker foam compared to the thin/watery foam of 3D Pink. Strangely, the 473ml bottles are both priced the same at $29.99 (AUD), however no gallon size is offered. They do offer a 1.9-litre size sitting at $49.99 (AUD), which compares to the $45.99 (AUD) asking price for a gallon of 3D Pink.

The first thing you notice with Ultimate Wash is the thicker consistency combined with the stupid pop-top cap that makes it hard to dose out. Foaming ability is excellent, producing a thick blanket over the vehicle. Slickness is ok, the mandarin-orange scent ok. Apart from the foamability, the best aspect of this soap is the easy rinse off. Other than being hard to pour, Ultimate Wash doesn’t do anything wrong but doesn’t excel at anything either. Overall, a workhorse soap at a premium price point.

Lubrication – 7/10
Cleaning Ability – 8/10
Scent – Orange-mandarin scent, faint
PH Level – 7.5 (claimed)
Consistency – Thick
Overall Rating – 6/10





Armour Detail Supply Decon Soap – As the name suggests, this is soap designed for decontamination purposes. With a pH of 12.0, this alkaline soap can be used to strip older waxes and sealants prior to a new application. It can also help revive an existing ceramic coating or be used as a heavier duty maintenance soap to assist in the removal of bugs and baked on grime. ADS also make mention of the surfactants being safe for semi-regular use on all surfaces, including paint, plastic, and metal.

Producing ultra thick foam, Decon Soap has a high cling rate that allows for an extended dwell period. It’s very easy to pour, just like their Shampoo+, and does well as a bucket soap. The scent is a faint hint of citrus, but is mostly like the other high-alkaline soaps on the market.

Lubrication – 8/10
Cleaning Ability – 9/10
Scent – Slight citrus aroma
PH Level – 12.0 (claimed)
Consistency – Runny
Overall Rating – 8/10



Next? Well, I'm not sure really. I have a handful of soaps that have been in the cabinet for a while now that I haven't even touched. Both Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam and Auto-Wash were sent to me to sample, but without a scent or colour, they just don't have a wow factor. I also have a bottle of Bathe+ that was supposed to go in the wash-n-wax series, but its convoluted application process seems more of an inconvenience than the suggested time saving concept.

At some point, I would love to compare a range of soaps sold through the big-box chain stores. The goal would be to find the best freely available soap on the market, but I suspect I already know the result of that before I've even begun. I'm also still waiting for Koch Chemie to release Reactivation Shampoo and S0.03 Hydro Foam, and the smaller 1-liter size of Active Foam, but it seems KCx Australia are lost at sea.

So, if you have a soap you want me to compare, shout out.
I for one would REALLY appreciate a "Big Box Store" shampoo shootout

I am getting really burnt out on 16oz/500ml "boutique" soaps that I have to order online
 
Went shopping this afternoon...........................



While I have two more on the way, the above are all soaps that can be bought at a local automotive store. Some of those I have already rated and reviewed, some will be reacquaintances, some will be new to me. Discounting the soaps I have already reviewed, I drew up a list of 20+ candidates to try or re-try. I've whittled the list down to the ones I think will be strong contenders, with a couple included to provide an insight into where I have come from and where I am at now. As in, is a 1000ml bottle of Carpro Reset worth five times the price of a same size bottle or ArmorAll Car Wash?

Speaking of ArmorAll, this blue soap was my introduction to specific car washing chemicals, I was using dish soap before that. At age 15, I didn't know any better. And you know what, after removing the cap and taking a sniff, it took me right back to my early teens washing the old mans EB II Falcon and Subaru Forrester. A lot has changed since then, but this stuff still comes in the same bottle with the same scent as it did 22 years ago! Fairly sure it was the same price too.

 
Saw the picture and thought something has broken in the matrix, then I realised, and remembered, that you said you were going to test these auto store car washes. Of those I've used, and still have on the shelf, Gold Class and Bathe+. I've wanted to retry Bathe+ for a while, but the conditions are never right here, the FJs basically in the sun all day, and I definitely don't want it to dry on the paint. Good luck, looking forward to your reviews.
 
Saw the picture and thought something has broken in the matrix, then I realised, and remembered, that you said you were going to test these auto store car washes. Of those I've used, and still have on the shelf, Gold Class and Bathe+. I've wanted to retry Bathe+ for a while, but the conditions are never right here, the FJs basically in the sun all day, and I definitely don't want it to dry on the paint. Good luck, looking forward to your reviews.
Ha ha! When I was put through the register, just as my payment was going through, I told the attendant that I would be able to say which one would be the best afterwards. He looked over my selection and started reeling off what he thought, then went on the say he wouldn't buy the ArmorAll. Probably not a good retail skill to dismiss one of your products. :unsure:
 
Went shopping this afternoon...........................



While I have two more on the way, the above are all soaps that can be bought at a local automotive store. Some of those I have already rated and reviewed, some will be reacquaintances, some will be new to me. Discounting the soaps I have already reviewed, I drew up a list of 20+ candidates to try or re-try. I've whittled the list down to the ones I think will be strong contenders, with a couple included to provide an insight into where I have come from and where I am at now. As in, is a 1000ml bottle of Carpro Reset worth five times the price of a same size bottle or ArmorAll Car Wash?

Speaking of ArmorAll, this blue soap was my introduction to specific car washing chemicals, I was using dish soap before that. At age 15, I didn't know any better. And you know what, after removing the cap and taking a sniff, it took me right back to my early teens washing the old mans EB II Falcon and Subaru Forrester. A lot has changed since then, but this stuff still comes in the same bottle with the same scent as it did 22 years ago! Fairly sure it was the same price too.

I will go on record as saying it is totally unfair that you can walk into a store and buy ANY Gyeon product

Never tried that blue Armorall but one of my go to products for washing our first RV 20+ years afo was Blue Coral, and to this day I can remember the smell

I tried this once in desperation after seeing someone say it cut road film like magic

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You wouldn't even have cleaned out a rubbish bin with it
 
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I will go on record as saying it is totally unfair that you can walk into a store and buy ANY Gyeon product

Never tried that blue Armorall but one of my go to products for washing our first RV 20+ years afo was Blue Coral, and to this day I can remember the smell

I tried this once in desperation after seeing someone say it cut road film like magic

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You wouldn't even have cleaned out a rubbish bin with it
I actually wanted to try that, but the only size offered is that huge bottle, I guess you need a lot of it to actually clean anything.
 
I actually wanted to try that, but the only size offered is that huge bottle, I guess you need a lot of it to actually clean anything.

Straight up in the cannon undiluted it’s watery useless foam

It’s got this very citrusy acidic bite to it when you smell it and you think it’s going to make road film just slide off the car

Not so much

And in a bucket it’s not lubricated and I just kept adding more and more and got nowhere

I think I used the entire jug trying two washes and had to fall back on something else

Obviously my water quality comes into play but most quality soaps work just fine in cannon and bucket with my tap water

It’s dirt cheap here and it would have been awesome to see it actually work but that wasn’t the case

YMMV


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I will go on record as saying it is totally unfair that you can walk into a store and buy ANY Gyeon product
In Australia, the Gyeon brand surfaced like any premium car care brand would, as in, imported and sold through a specialty detailing supplier. That importer then started distributing the brand to other retailers around the country. Most who took on the Gyeon brand were doing so to replace the Carpro brand in their stores (nothing official here, but I suspect there was some politics going on with the local Carpro importer/distributor).

About two years ago, the Gyeon brand appeared in one of our national automotive chain stores, Repco. At the time, I was a little shocked at this move. Those specialty retailers who took on Gyeon as a premium brand would have done so for a variety of reasons, having a recognizable high-end brand in their store being one of them. For the local distributor to then offer up the brand to Repco, who is often heavily discounting the products, well that would be a slap in the face to those retailers. How do they compete with Repco who has extremely high buying power and can afford to discount the product so often. The only one's benefiting from this move are the consumer and the official importer of the Gyeon brand, the retailers who put money into stocking and supporting the Gyeon brand have been left standing with one hand tied behind their back.

Same concept applies to my own industry. When Bunning's (our version of Home Depot) opened a store in my town in the year 2000, there was 28 independent plant retailers in and around the area. With one closing last week, that number is now down to 3, one of which I have worked with since 2003. Bunning's started off innocent enough, they were just another competitor. But over time, and as their volume increased, they started to have an influence over the growers who were supplying the store. Without getting too technical, they basically cornered growers into a "do what we say and supply us or get lost and well find someone else to bully" type of situation.

It's to the point where Bunning's don't actually make money selling plants, that they are a loss leader for them. How does an independent retailer compete against that? To make our business worthwhile, we have to set a certain level of markup, which is noticeably higher than what the big box retailer would sell the same item for. We HAVE to make money on each product we sell or there is no business. Bunning's on the hand uses our specialty as a loss leader. Most customers don't understand this.

So, on a surface level, having Gyeon so freely available is seemingly a good thing. But it's also a poisoned chalice.
 
Deyon, do you know if the full Gyeon range is available at Repco, I went looking to see if they have Eco-wash, but there was only about 3 or 4 products on the shelf. I wasn't going to buy it yet, but I wanted to see what they charge. Maybe they've only released a limited range to get some brand awareness out there.
 
Deyon, do you know if the full Gyeon range is available at Repco, I went looking to see if they have Eco-wash, but there was only about 3 or 4 products on the shelf. I wasn't going to buy it yet, but I wanted to see what they charge. Maybe they've only released a limited range to get some brand awareness out there.
No, only a selection of the Gyeon range is offered by Repco. I suspect they went with the products that would most resonate with their target customer, so basically the maintenance style products and the wax. Other than CanCoat EVO, the coatings are not offered. And even then, I think they are playing with fire offering that in such a readily available way, I can just see someone spraying it directly onto the paint and making a giant mess.

As for Eco-Wash, I highly doubt Repco will offer it. As I have said in the past, the average Australian doesn't know what rinse-less washing is, and if they have heard of it, they don't fully understand the concept. Bowden's Dry Spell is the only rinse-less sold in an auto store, and I get the feeling its been a failure because Supercheap (who originally had exclusivity on it) have put it on clearance. Which is a bloody shame because these products do far more than just rinse-less washing, but again, most Aussies have no idea or give the subject a second thought.
 
Straight up in the cannon undiluted it’s watery useless foam

It’s got this very citrusy acidic bite to it when you smell it and you think it’s going to make road film just slide off the car

Not so much

And in a bucket it’s not lubricated and I just kept adding more and more and got nowhere

I think I used the entire jug trying two washes and had to fall back on something else

Obviously my water quality comes into play but most quality soaps work just fine in cannon and bucket with my tap water

It’s dirt cheap here and it would have been awesome to see it actually work but that wasn’t the case

YMMV


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It's not dirt cheap if you use an entire bottle to wash only two vehicles. But then, that concept is not confined to Turtle Wax, most of those brands do something similar, as in a lack of concentration causing the user to consume the product quicker, and then buy more sooner. Chemical Guys are probably the most obvious in doing this.
 
It's not dirt cheap if you use an entire bottle to wash only two vehicles. But then, that concept is not confined to Turtle Wax, most of those brands do something similar, as in a lack of concentration causing the user to consume the product quicker, and then buy more sooner. Chemical Guys are probably the most obvious in doing this.
It doesn't get much cheaper than this, and that is the Alaska price, of course if it is essentially worthless then it has zero value and is outrageously expensive since you basically threw $8 in the fire

If it cost $4, at least to me, it would still be a poor value

I get where you are coming from though

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No, only a selection of the Gyeon range is offered by Repco. I suspect they went with the products that would most resonate with their target customer, so basically the maintenance style products and the wax. Other than CanCoat EVO, the coatings are not offered. And even then, I think they are playing with fire offering that in such a readily available way, I can just see someone spraying it directly onto the paint and making a giant mess.

As for Eco-Wash, I highly doubt Repco will offer it. As I have said in the past, the average Australian doesn't know what rinse-less washing is, and if they have heard of it, they don't fully understand the concept. Bowden's Dry Spell is the only rinse-less sold in an auto store, and I get the feeling its been a failure because Supercheap (who originally had exclusivity on it) have put it on clearance. Which is a bloody shame because these products do far more than just rinse-less washing, but again, most Aussies have no idea or give the subject a second thought.
The selection of Griots products available locally is very similar, just the stuff that a weekend warrior might grab off the shelf because it is pretty

They don't sell the BOSS polish lineup for instance, just the dumbed down yellow bottle line
 
The selection of Griots products available locally is very similar, just the stuff that a weekend warrior might grab off the shelf because it is pretty

They don't sell the BOSS polish lineup for instance, just the dumbed down yellow bottle line
I can't believe Griots has been ignored in Australia, surely one of the usual suspects could take it on and be successful with it. We have access to a wide variety of US brands including the smaller outfits like Ethos and Shine Supply. Maybe Griots themselves have no interest in exporting?
 
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