Bunky
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I have not taken one apart but there must be a gear setup to convert the motor rpms to the spindle - different gear ratio?
Does your Griot's DA say PROFESSIONAL random orbital on the side?
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I have not taken one apart but there must be a gear setup to convert the motor rpms to the spindle - different gear ratio?
Buckskincolt
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Go to post 193 for an official reply from Griots.
A key part:
"1. The internals of the machine are 100% the same. No changes have been made internally….none, period! No changes have been made to motor, OPM, diameter of orbital throw, etc.."
So :surrender:
WRAPT C5Z06
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Exactly!!Maybe the machine has a governer or something they're using to adjust it down, I dunno, but I do know this machine does not have the power my first one did, I don't care what their customer service dept says
I have two units in my possession, and one is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than the other. I DO NOT CARE WHAT THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE SAYS, SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT WITH THE LAST 3 I'VE TRIED!
There's a new DA coming out from another company that has caught my interest. So long, Griot's.
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I've watched your videos and I see what you are talking about but what exactly are you trying to achieve by going over and over and over this? Griot's has said they haven't changed anything.
Aside from water boarding Richard Griot, I think this has run it's course.
Aside from water boarding Richard Griot, I think this has run it's course.
Been watching the thread, and was actually hoping there would be a signifigant difference in the measured points on each DA, allowing you to point to an issue/defect. Sounds like there isn't, or wasn't enough to determine either way.
While watching the video, it seems to "sound" like the weaker DA is running at a lower set speed vs the "stronger" DA. Purely from a sound stand point, and trying to compare the noise levels in my head.
While just about every item is made to fit with in factory tolerances between "x & y", is it possible one can be built on a higher side of the tolerance factor, and anther on the lower end? Leaving both DA's to be sold, "With in factory specs?" Suppliers of "x" parts can and will change over time (not stating this is this is true in this case), however, aslong as spec is made, the factory will contiune with builds.
While maybe not the answer, just trying to look at it from another stand point. Reading on here, seems Griot's realy stands behind there product, as well as AG. What about sending both your units to Griot's for a teardown review?
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Do tell....
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Just to add some info that may or may not be relevant, there is a DA sold overseas that is called the Kestrel Das-6 Power Plus DA. Its made by a company called Detalyo It looks like this:
It has an 850 watt motor and I do not know the amperage it draws. To me, it looks * A LOT * like the Griots DA
Griots DA
This company also makes a lower power version of this DA, it's Called the Das-6 (non Power Plus). It looks like this:
Except for the color scheme, this machine also resembles the Griots. This machine is rated only at 500 amps (about the same as a 7424 XP). This is all speculation on my part, but I'm bringing this up for a few reasons:
1. Maybe this machine is made by the same people who make the Griots and MAYBE they initially went with the larger motor for Griots, later changing it to the smaller one.
2. Maybe Griots is just a re-branded version of this machine and maybe they are re-branding the one with the smaller motor now, where before they were re-branding the one with the larger motor
3. Maybe, if the only thing that will work for you is a 850 watt DA, and you feel the Griots is not cutting it, maybe you could try to get your hands on this one.
I don't know if this info helps anyone, but it's interesting non the less.
It has an 850 watt motor and I do not know the amperage it draws. To me, it looks * A LOT * like the Griots DA
Griots DA
This company also makes a lower power version of this DA, it's Called the Das-6 (non Power Plus). It looks like this:
Except for the color scheme, this machine also resembles the Griots. This machine is rated only at 500 amps (about the same as a 7424 XP). This is all speculation on my part, but I'm bringing this up for a few reasons:
1. Maybe this machine is made by the same people who make the Griots and MAYBE they initially went with the larger motor for Griots, later changing it to the smaller one.
2. Maybe Griots is just a re-branded version of this machine and maybe they are re-branding the one with the smaller motor now, where before they were re-branding the one with the larger motor
3. Maybe, if the only thing that will work for you is a 850 watt DA, and you feel the Griots is not cutting it, maybe you could try to get your hands on this one.
I don't know if this info helps anyone, but it's interesting non the less.
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From the guy that never changes his mind... :laughing:
oke: sorry Mark, just sayin...:xyxthumbs:
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Gosh I hope this announcement was approved? I'm sure there are some people that will be thankful you've made an official announcement.
Here's a few questions for you Al,
- Whose bringing out the tool?
- What's your opinion?
- Is it a DA style like the Porter Cable?
- Is it "Pro Grade" or "Enthusiast Grade"
- How much will it cost?
- What is the warranty?
- What does it look like?
- What are the power specs?
- Where's it made?
I'm all about thinking positive and hoping for the best and maybe this tool will be a Pro Grade tool that will target people that run buffers all day long, 7 days a week at a price point that will compete with the others in it's category. If so, I'm in!
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Mark, so far this seems to be the only suggestion you have received from GG to explain what you are experiencing (and what we have seen in your videos). It sounds like a very reasonable theory and suggests that the DIP switches control the calibration of the speed governor. Are you willing to open up both your machines to verify this?
wagonproject
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I'm assuming hes talking about the new 3D/HD one. It does seem very promising as they have some great products. But they said it will still be a month or two before they release any more info.
WRAPT C5Z06
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Today, I sent back the newest unit for refund. I can open my current one and compare the DIP switch setting to others.
At this point, it is quite clear from both Griot's statements and Mark's testing that the motors themselves are if not absolutely identical, then equivalent current draw (7 amps/850 watts). In other words, pretty much the same. The answer then has to lie somewhere else in his two machines.
Capa1970
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+2 definitely
2old2change
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This post brings to the discussion how important is having the "biggest,most powerful" da available. No matter which Griots machine you have or PC , Meguiars da , they will all do the job. I personally have multiple machines as I'm just addicted to tools. I would venture to guess that their are a handful of detailers out there that could take a lowly PC7336 and do a better job of paint correction then the majority of us could with any combination of machines or products. So all this fuss IMO as to which model is the MUST have is not as important as learning how to use any machine to the best of your ability. So will I buy any more DA's when they come out ? Well heck yes, a man can never have too many tools. lol. Will it improve my correction ability ? Probably not but that won't stop me from buying more.
Assuming he was mentioning the new polisher coming out by 3D/HD, not much is known yet, an announcement was made on their forum yesterday or last night. I'm still waiting for more info on it. I'm like you, if it's not better than the Griot's, what's the point? But as of now, there's confusion as to whether it's a forced rotation or traditional orbital.
While that may be true, why handicap yourself unnecessarily? I mena, you could polish by hand, but why, when you can use a machine. You could use a machine, but why, when there's a better machine, etc..
Mike Phillips
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It uses a free floating spindle assembly like these,
The Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly - The Story Behind The Story...
Here's an excerpt from the above article,
DA Polishers with Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies
From left to right...
Porter Cable 7424XP - Meguiar's G110v2 - Griot's Garage ROP - Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher
Close-ups...
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The Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly - The Story Behind The Story...
Here's an excerpt from the above article,
DA Polishers with Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies
From left to right...
Porter Cable 7424XP - Meguiar's G110v2 - Griot's Garage ROP - Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher
Close-ups...
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Bunky
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One could mark it down as "manufacturing variation" (motor, speed control switch tolerances, etc). The spec'ed design may not have changed but the manufacturer can use "equivalent" parts that are not always equivalent. In Mark's case, it would be an outlier data point on the high end.
You would have to take both apart to figure out why.