From "stay tuned" to T U N E D !!

Vague response, they should understand how our brains function and how we worry over things....being the "detailers" we are. All about the deets.... I think the right response would've been "when can you bring it in". I plan on contacting mine just so they can experience my TCU issue...I can easily replicate it so not too worried about them going "drove fine for us."

Keep is posted! I'd push the matter though.

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Well that would be great except for 2 things, one they don't work on cars and two they're in Toronto

The last email he sent me was that it sounds mechanical but ofcoarse didn't even venture a guess, classic CYA and I get it. I'll have the stock coils swapped back on at some point but before this my buddy Marcin and I will head back down to "Mexico" and try the road dyno The last time we did this I didn't notice anything breaking up or missing but when we do this, I'll be sure to be in manual mode like he was as I wasn't and he was and he stayed a car infront of me and we went well into 4th gear, same as the dyno replicated

I'm also wondering about the fuel pump at this point, although Stage 1 I do have the much larger TIP and bigger, better flowing intake to go with it

Thoughts???

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Last email from them and a little something I found on the web, for what that's worth
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Swapping coil packs is a great idea simple and eliminates them as a possibility if issue remains. With a stage 1 I would imagine that your stock fuel system was plenty adequate...in the VW world they don't recommend upgrading the lift or HPFP until big turbo stage 3 stuff. I personally don't think it would be fuel related. If rumors of issues with the coils are our there let's just hope it fruit hanging that low.

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Swapping coil packs is a great idea simple and eliminates them as a possibility if issue remains. With a stage 1 I would imagine that your stock fuel system was plenty adequate...in the VW world they don't recommend upgrading the lift or HPFP until big turbo stage 3 stuff. I personally don't think it would be fuel related. If rumors of issues with the coils are our there let's just hope it fruit hanging that low.

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I'm going to do just that but I think it's going to suck if a brand new set of coils are bad after 3 monthes of use, I mean maybe it's just one but still

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I'm going to do just that but I think it's going to suck if a brand new set of coils are bad after 3 monthes of use, I mean maybe it's just one but still

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I would agree, that would be disappointing but better than something more expensive or invasive

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I mean honestly 150whp in a car that size is still spunky, unslow rather lol. Just not a ground pounder per say lol.

I hope to see 375whp once FBO. I would be thrilled with that.

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“FBO”?


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I'm going to do just that but I think it's going to suck if a brand new set of coils are bad after 3 monthes of use, I mean maybe it's just one but still

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Yeah I thought about MSD coils on the Camaro but they don’t rate well on th Camaro6 forum. Decided against it. If you can return them Granatelli’s came highly recommended. Don’t no if the make for Hyundai though

Was your tune mapped with more spark (MSD coils)?

Also about the exhaust….. best upgrade you can do is get more are in (filter) and out (exhaust,manifolds)

1st thing I woulda did woulda been those two. If not doing a programmable piggy back ECU I would wait on a tune till you get all the bolt ons you want…


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Yeah I thought about MSD coils on the Camaro but they don’t rate well on th Camaro6 forum. Decided against it. If you can return them Granatelli’s came highly recommended. Don’t no if the make for Hyundai though

Was your tune mapped with more spark (MSD coils)?

Also about the exhaust….. best upgrade you can do is get more are in (filter) and out (exhaust,manifolds)

1st thing I woulda did woulda been those two. If not doing a programmable piggy back ECU I would wait on a tune till you get all the bolt ons you want…


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I currently have the ECU tune from N75 in Canada, their Stage 1 which is good for about 295/310, basically a step over stock, "OEM+". I've also got a much larger turbo inlet pipe and better flowing intake from N Performance as well. The tune calls for next step colder plug and I have that as well, from NGK and I "thought" while I'm there to "upgrade" the coils while we were there, looks like my old muscle car memories let me down because MSD was a no-brainer back in the day as far as ignition products...times change apparently

As far as the exhaust goes while I agree with you this is an area where the N engineers NAILED IT! The piping is 2.5/2.75 throught but I'll be adding a 3" mid-pipe that eliminates the resonator which is my primary reason for doing it, just being honest

The OEM coils will be swapped back soon but another trip to the dyno may have to wait till spring...stay "tuned"

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So while out getting gas this morning I noticed something...my tach. Like M cars the N has the tach that goes from orange to red to show when it's warmed up. Mine was still in the orange a couple miles from home, temps about 5 degrees warmer today than Friday but rainy/moist out.

My car sat for 3+ hrs before I went in to dyno and I didn't even warm the car up too long before I got started. I'm thinking the car was breaking up on the dyno due to the warm up protection built into the tune, does this make sense or am I on "hopium"
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I think the car protecting itself from high loads on a cold engine is a very real possibility. Im actually surprised people don't warm up their cars before putting them on a dyno. Didn't know that wasn't I thing.

I am very conscious of going WOT on a cold car from my turbo VW days and still watch both water and oil temps carefully. I know at our autocross events, people always start their cars when they grid up for their heat. Even though the runs are often less than a minute, no one wants to do a run on a car with a cold engine and cold oil.

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I think the car protecting itself from high loads on a cold engine is a very real possibility. Im actually surprised people don't warm up their cars before putting them on a dyno. Didn't know that wasn't I thing.

I am very conscious of going WOT on a cold car from my turbo VW days and still watch both water and oil temps carefully. I know at our autocross events, people always start their cars when they grid up for their heat. Even though the runs are often less than a minute, no one wants to do a run on a car with a cold engine and cold oil.

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Thanks and FWIW the dyno showed 270 hp then 280 on the 2nd, partial pull but I'm sure it makes more than that, I mean look at my buddy's pulls:

1st was bone stock from May
2nd was just the cat-back
3rd was w/ the piggyback turned on

The exhaust netted 17/31 alone but combined it went from 277/330 whp & 283/353 wtq
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I think the car protecting itself from high loads on a cold engine is a very real possibility. Im actually surprised people don't warm up their cars before putting them on a dyno. Didn't know that wasn't I thing.

I am very conscious of going WOT on a cold car from my turbo VW days and still watch both water and oil temps carefully. I know at our autocross events, people always start their cars when they grid up for their heat. Even though the runs are often less than a minute, no one wants to do a run on a car with a cold engine and cold oil.

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You want hot oil and cold water. Ideally. I never go WoT until my oil is above 120°F.

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You want hot oil and cold water. Ideally. I never go WoT until my oil is above 120°F.

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Yeah this was all a learning experience for sure

We'll see what the "butt dyno" in Mexico shows us against my buddy's 330 whp/353 wtq EN, this time same transmission useage

I still think the coils should cone off though but the car not being warmed up nearly at all makes me think the coils "may" be ok

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Yeah this was all a learning experience for sure

We'll see what the "butt dyno" in Mexico shows us against my buddy's 330 whp/353 wtq EN, this time same transmission useage

I still think the coils should cone off though but the car not being warmed up nearly at all makes me think the coils "may" be ok

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Sometimes butt dyno results are enough to ease the mine.

Merry Christmas don't worry about your car today though relax hahaha

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Yeah this was all a learning experience for sure

We'll see what the "butt dyno" in Mexico shows us against my buddy's 330 whp/353 wtq EN, this time same transmission useage

I still think the coils should cone off though but the car not being warmed up nearly at all makes me think the coils "may" be ok

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I wouldn’t take them of till you know…


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I wouldn’t take them of till you know…


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Well apart of me wants to go back there and dyno again but with it completely warmed up.

My buddy thinks it's the coils or tye tune. My thing is this, no signs of an "issue", this investigation could get expensive

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Well apart of me wants to go back there and dyno again but with it completely warmed up.

My buddy thinks it's the coils or tye tune. My thing is this, no signs of an "issue", this investigation could get expensive

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Yeah if it’s driving fine WOT… I don’t think it’s a problem either.


I would ask dyno place to see if they remembering it being warmed up and if they’d be willing to redo one pull warmed up for free or at discount…


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The response from my tuner, don't understand this and I feel lost here, atleast the car doesn't have a drive ability issue🫣
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Late to the party, but to throw my couple pennies into the ring

First off, sorry to hear the day didn't go your way. Always a bummer to have a build up and then run into an issue.

Regarding your tuner's response, the technician in me sees it not as dismissive or dodgy or anything; I see it from their end where I'm sure they've done extensive testing in house with known-quantity cars and (as they mentioned) the stage 1 tune is meant to be conservative and not light the stock hardware on fire. Even with your extra little mods, I'm sure they improvements are out of range for the car/software's ability to learn and adapt - if it wasn't, I'd think your tuner would have expressed concern over the additional mods.

I also see the comment of "should not be giving you any cuts that sounds mechanical" not as a statement that you must have a mechanical issue like engine hard parts, merely a catch all statement for there must be something on your car causing it to cut.

Again, as a tech, having been to plenty of rodeos where a DIY'r has been putting parts in, I can assure you that a lot of aftermarket stuff is not good. While at the shop we do use non-genuine parts, we've developed a knowledge base of what brands to stay away from whole cloth, and even certain brands where you can use some parts but not others. Those MSD coils fall in the suspect category for me, especially if Coating's has seen them poo-poo'd on a separate forum. We've seen plenty of formerly reputable brands suffering from sending their manufacturing off to cheaper production locales.

Regarding what's going on with your car, I'm also in the camp of being sure to get your oil temp up before hooning. For my own car, I've made a habit of not just avoiding WOT when the oil is cold, I'll actually monitor boost and try to keep it below the halfway mark until I've got some oil temp to work with.

But, as far as low oil temp causing a cut-out situation, that should be easy to duplicate - a dyno shouldn't be any different than loading the car up on the road. Ignition misfires are most common under high cylinder pressure (lower/mid RPM, high load, high boost) as it is now harder for the coil/plug to produce a fire in the cylinder. Were you hearing audible misfiring where the car sounded like it was no longer firing all 4 cylinders? A lot of times when I'm chasing an ignition issue, I'll get the engine nice and hot (just from time driving, not specifically rodding on it), then click it in 4th and do a "pull" from about 3K to 5k. You're looking to go max torque, not use the horsepower to rev the thing to redline.

I would try to replicate the conditions you had at the dyno with the MSD's in and see if you can experience the cut again. Then swap in your stock coils and repeat.

Hopefully this is all coherent, typing as fast as I can on my lunch break. This whole mechanic-ing thing is something I can just do but struggle to explain sometimes. :laughing:
 
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