Fuzion or Souveran on Dark Metallics?

Dubbin1 said:
While you're at it I would like to know if this is any good?

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rwright said:
So is this a good wax?

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I can't tell ALL of the time, just some of the time, which is why I think I said I SEEM to be developing the ability to tell a good wax in the jar. I didn't mean to indicate that I had developed some super accurate perception of wax, just that I seemed to be noticing similarities in high end waxes. Honestly though, if someone wrote what I wrote, I'd probably give me a hard time, too.
Nevertheless, this looks like it could be a high end wax, but I am not sure, because the surface is cracked and dried. The way you can tell is when the surface of the wax is completely smooth, and it's not dried out at all, the way most high end waxes are photographed when they are shown for sale. When the surface is always completely flat and smooth and not dried out, and the pic is a high enough resolution, you can see the texture of the wax, and it's true color, which will give you an idea of how it will look buffed out on the car, sort of like looking at a really really thick coat of buffed out wax, in the jar. Thus, its the same as would be on the car, only thicker. The more it's like that, the easier it is to be able to tell. When I use a wax the surface of the wax in the container happens to stay looking almost perfectly smooth anyway, because I wipe off very gently and evenly, almost like I am polishing the block of wax. I never "dig in". I like it neat.
To be candid, this looks like a Swissvax container, which if so, would mean it's a great wax. Like I said, I cannot get a sense from ALL pics. I probably shouldn't have said anything at all about it. I just said something because I was curious as to whether anyone else had noticed any similarity in the looks of high end waxes in the containers, and whether the, having a lot of experience with high end waxes ( I really have only seen a lot of pics, and have used about 4) and they had developed a great ability to tell. I really said it as more of a food for thought statement as to whether anyone could really tell reliably. I think it would be great to tell, and since the wax on the car buffed out must look like the wax in the jar, I believe that it must be possible to develop an accurate sense of that. That's basically that.
 
Dubbin1 said:
While you're at it I would like to know if this is any good?

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I wouldn't put that on my best car. Because it is colored, I do not consider it to be a really high end wax, because the highest end waxes are as pure as possible. It isn't as if I don't use colored waxes myself, in fact I really like Natty's Red, for example, but all of the really expensive waxes like Swissvax, Zymol, and almost every other pure wax over $150 a jar (I'm excepting Ezyme, because I said almost) is completely uncolored, and it is some shade of off white or cream.
 
Blackthornone said:
I wouldn't put that on my best car. Because it is colored, I do not consider it to be a really high end wax, because the highest end waxes are as pure as possible. It isn't as if I don't use colored waxes myself, in fact I really like Natty's Red, for example, but all of the really expensive waxes like Swissvax, Zymol, and almost every other pure wax over $150 a jar (I'm excepting Ezyme, because I said almost) is completely uncolored, and it is some shade of off white or cream.
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Well I guess you really cant tell a good wax by looking at it. That's SV Best of Show...

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And my picture was Swissvax Mystery and it's not dried out. Thanks for playing.
 
I am just curious if you have any of the expensive waxes as I do and I just don't mean a sample. The picture of the wax rwright posted is Mystery and is not at all dried out. That is a jar from Dana's collection. If you knew about high end waxes the more nuba content advertised the harder the wax is so like in the picture of the Mystery it will not come out smooth since it is so hard.

Just curious where you got your information about waxes because they are way off base. If it is just personal opinion then ok, but other than that there really isn't any correct information.
 
Dubbin1 said:
How about this?

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It's red, ergo, not a really high end wax. Any color pigments in a wax will mute the shine and hide the color of a car's paint to some degree, which, if you have a car's paint you absolutely love the color of and want to present that color in a show as faithfully as possible, you would want to use as pure a wax as possible, with no colors whatsoever. I'm not saying that colored wax doesn't make a car look great, because I think Natty's Red is phenomenal, and I like Fuzion, and am extremely impressed with Ezyme, however I don't think that all colored waxes are for all colors of cars. For example, I wouldn't use a red wax on a green car, because that would make the car more black, because those colors are opposites in the color spectrum. If it's a dark green, like British racing green, it wouldn't look so bad, but if it was a really light green, like Celeste green, then it would look worst. Personally, I don't like to use red wax on blue either, because I don't like the color purple, and never have, but that's a personal color preference. Red on red is awesome, and red on black really makes it pop, and makes it look rich, like it's slightly maroonish. I think you get the idea.
This pic doesn't look like the surface of what I would expect a high end wax to look like either. It looks kind of like Jello, being so transparent and wavy on top.
High end waxes generally look like cream, only dry, with a very fine texture, 5 times finer than ice cream. ( I mean ice cream when it's in the container, before it is first scooped.) If it is indeed a wax that someone has developed, and not just some pic you came up with top fool me with, it would have lots of gloss and pop on a car, but I do not believe that a rich, warm glow would be there, because this substance just doesn't catch light in the way it would have to, to be sable to have a rich warm glow. A glossy, vibrant pop is not the same as a rich, warm glow, that only a pure, cream-like wax, like Souveran, or Zymol vintage or Swissvax can really offer.
I would be pretty surprised if anyone could develop a surface coating like this and have it be soft enough to spread, or hard enough to give a shine, or even simply not slide off because it's too liquid. If it were possible, I would expect it to be a hybrid wax.
I'm curious as to what this stuff is.
 
Blackthornone said:
It's red, ergo, not a really high end wax. Any color pigments in a wax will mute the shine and hide the color of a car's paint to some degree, which, if you have a car's paint you absolutely love the color of and want to present that color in a show as faithfully as possible, you would want to use as pure a wax as possible, with no colors whatsoever. I'm not saying that colored wax doesn't make a car look great, because I think Natty's Red is phenomenal, and I like Fuzion, and am extremely impressed with Ezyme, however I don't think that all colored waxes are for all colors of cars. For example, I wouldn't use a red wax on a green car, because that would make the car more black, because those colors are opposites in the color spectrum. If it's a dark green, like British racing green, it wouldn't look so bad, but if it was a really light green, like Celeste green, then it would look worst. Personally, I don't like to use red wax on blue either, because I don't like the color purple, and never have, but that's a personal color preference. Red on red is awesome, and red on black really makes it pop, and makes it look rich, like it's slightly maroonish. I think you get the idea.
This pic doesn't look like the surface of what I would expect a high end wax to look like either. It looks kind of like Jello, being so transparent and wavy on top.
High end waxes generally look like cream, only dry, with a very fine texture, 5 times finer than ice cream. ( I mean ice cream when it's in the container, before it is first scooped.) If it is indeed a wax that someone has developed, and not just some pic you came up with top fool me with, it would have lots of gloss and pop on a car, but I do not believe that a rich, warm glow would be there, because this substance just doesn't catch light in the way it would have to, to be sable to have a rich warm glow. A glossy, vibrant pop is not the same as a rich, warm glow, that only a pure, cream-like wax, like Souveran, or Zymol vintage or Swissvax can really offer.
I would be pretty surprised if anyone could develop a surface coating like this and have it be soft enough to spread, or hard enough to give a shine, or even simply not slide off because it's too liquid. If it were possible, I would expect it to be a hybrid wax.
I'm curious as to what this stuff is.
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Whoever posted that rode the s3rt buss to w3rk today since it's Tarmalade, which isn't even a wax.
 
Dubbin1 said:
Well I guess you really cant tell a good wax by looking at it. That's SV Best of Show...

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I have seen pictures with SV best of show on cars, even on a black car next to other black cars, identically prepared with different waxes. Honestly, I do not like the appearance of SV best of show on a car, thus I stand by my statement that I wouldn't put it on my best car. The shine I have seen in pics is simply not as rich or as warm a glow as I would like on a car.I am twice as impressed by Zymol Vintage, and I prefer Souveran to it as well, and I prefer Supernatural. It's a high end wax for sure, and I never said it wasn't. In my earlier post, I mentioned what I need to be able to tell how a wax will look on a car to some degree and whether it was high end. I never intended to brag at all by saying I SEEMED to be developing the ability. That doesn't mean I have fully developed the ability. It just means I have begun to notice a similarity in the appearance of high end waxes in the jar, and maybe I will be able to really tell all the time in the future, like 300 years at the current rate of progress, and I said it because I wondered it anyone here could REALLY tell, since I thought that would be a neat skill. I don't wax enough cars to really be able to tell.
 
Someone (not saying who) really needs to quit posting about wax.
 
If you are seeing that much of a difference with your LSP then you are polishing the paint incorrectly. The only way if the paint is polished correctly are you ever going to see a difference in waxes if you use a gloss meter. If you can tell by eye that the LSP changed the appearance, your polishing steps need some work.
 
Dubbin1 said:
Someone (not saying who) really needs to quit posting about wax.
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Sorry about that, but you were the one who posted 3 pics and challenged me to assess them. I was never trying to prove I could absolutely tell. I was just trying to give totally honest answers to your questions.
 
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