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Frosty, is he able to get the Festool Shinex rotary and da?
Griot's ROP that much more powerful the PC 7424XP?
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Mike Phillips
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I don't know without looking up the specs but in the real world it just doesn't matter.
You're going to put the speed setting on the 5 or 6 to remove swirls and scratches, if you're applying a finishing wax you'll use the 3 to 4 speed setting, if you're using a one-step cleaner/wax you'll be back up to the 5 to 6 speed setting.
You really never use anything below 3 unless you're using it to give someone a back massage.
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Are you talking about the Griot's?
From pdf owner's manual http://www.griotsgarage.com/text/pdf/10750.pdf :
Speed Control Dial
The variable speed control dial is located at the back of the unit just under the power cord. To adjust the speed simply rotate the dial to the desired setting.
For polishing and paint sealant application speed setting 5 to 6 is recommended. For waxing speed setting 3 to 4 is recommended.
SPECIFICATIONS
Motor: 7 Amps, 850 watts
Power Supply Orbits/Minute: 120 Volts, 60 Hz 2,500 - 6,800
Pad Size: 6"
Orbit Diameter: 5/16"
Weight: 6.1 lbs.
I looked it up only because 10,000 OPM seemed awfully high to me.
That seems to be the polisher for the 6" polisher.......the 3" polisher does go up to 10000 opms.
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I'll just stick to what I wrote.
A. Removing swirls, scratches, water spots and oxidation (5 to 6 speed setting)
B. Polishing after the heavy correction step (4 to 5 speed setting)
C. Applying a wax or paint sealant - (3-5 speed setting)
D. Back massage (1-3 speed setting)
I've never paid any attention to what OPM I was using in my entire life when using a PC style polisher. I go by the speed setting reference as this serves it purpose well.
KISS = Keep It Simple Simon
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A. Removing swirls, scratches, water spots and oxidation (5 to 6 speed setting)
B. Polishing after the heavy correction step (4 to 5 speed setting)
C. Applying a wax or paint sealant - (3-5 speed setting)
D. Back massage (1-3 speed setting)
I've never paid any attention to what OPM I was using in my entire life when using a PC style polisher. I go by the speed setting reference as this serves it purpose well.
KISS = Keep It Simple Simon
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Mike Phillips
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Even though the new 3" Mini Polisher does a better job of keeping a 3" pad rotating under pressure, you're always going to have it on the 6.0 speed setting.
Doesn't even matter what the OPM''s are, if you're using a 3" polisher to remove swirls or other paint defects in tight ares or thin panels you want the pad rotating and that means the higher speed settings.
If you're going to use it to apply a wax or paint sealant then maybe bump it down the the 4 to 5 speed setting but in either case you could use this polisher and any full size polisher and get the maximum benefit out of the tool with never knowing the OPM
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Mike Phillips
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Just to double check, when you asked the question above were you asking about the Griot's or the PC because that's what this thread is about. I"m not sure when it went off-topic and became the Festool thread?
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Yeah- I thought mcpp66 was referring to the big gun 6" machine.
I posted the recommended settings because the user manual did not indicate specific oscillation speeds by the numbers (as shown on the dial).
Didn't mean to contradict your advice!
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I don't think most guys would use speed 5 or 6 to apply a sealant.:buffing:
I posted the recommended settings because the user manual did not indicate specific oscillation speeds by the numbers (as shown on the dial).
Didn't mean to contradict your advice!
rops:I don't think most guys would use speed 5 or 6 to apply a sealant.:buffing:
Mike Phillips
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I always use the 3.0 to 4.0 setting to apply a finishing wax or paint sealant as at this point it's all about doing a great job of spreading out a coating, not removing defects.
I listed up to the 5.0 speed setting because last night I found the Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 actually recommends the 4.5 speed setting so I just rounded it off but personally I can't remember a time when I went that high for a finishing wax or paint sealant.
Now a cleaner/wax that's different because now you're using the speed of the tool in conjunction with the cleaning ability of the wax and the foam formula and also oscillation/rotating action to clean the paint.
Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0
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4.5 Wow!! I used speed setting 3 when I applied WG sealant 3.0. :buffing:
I was asking about the Griot's. I was told it's a little more powerful than the PC so that's why I'm asking about the OPMs. Just a little paranoid that I'm going to screw up my paint. The PC with a 3.5" backing plate doesn't seem to give as good of results as it does with the 5" plate. So I figured I would be well served in buying a polisher designed for smaller pads. Anyhow, I guess I'm just a little tentative cause I was told it's more powerful than the PC and I'm just a nervous nellie that way.
Mike Phillips
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The Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher is as safe as they come, you can't hurt anything with tis polisher.
The Griot's Garage ROP acts just like a rotary buffer if you hold the pad flat so it definitely offers a lot of power.
Mike Phillips
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That's perfectly okay. To some degree it's personal preference, the 3.0 to 4.0 range works well for spreading out a sealant or wax, going to slow and you'll feel like the buffing pad is dragging behind you.
I worked on a car yesterday and applied the WG DGPS using the 3.0 with a 6.5 CCS pad.
The Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher is as safe as they come, you can't hurt anything with tis polisher.
The Griot's Garage ROP acts just like a rotary buffer if you hold the pad flat so it definitely offers a lot of power.
But if it acts like a rotary buffer then doesn't that add an element of danger since you can burn the paint with a rotary?
Mike Phillips
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No, it still has a Free Rotating Spindle Assembly
Plus it's not just rotating, it's also oscillating, that's a lot different action than the rotary . Just for the record it doesn't have near as much power as a rotary, but if you hold the pad flat, it definitely rotates it under pressure at a pretty fast clip, fast enough that I don't stop it when applying excessive pressure and in the real world I don't apply excessive pressure when buffing out a car so the reality is it keeps the pad rotating and if you're cutting with it it keeps cutting. Isn't that what a rotary does?
By the way the G110v2 and the PC 7424XP do this also but the GG does do it with more power.
Again, all of the new generation dual action polishes are great tools for removing swirls and polishing paint to a high gloss. Not everyone wants or needs the most power.
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Good answer Mike, but isn't true that it's better to have more power in case you need it?No, it still has a Free Rotating Spindle Assembly
Plus it's not just rotating, it's also oscillating, that's a lot different action than the rotary . Just for the record it doesn't have near as much power as a rotary, but if you hold the pad flat, it definitely rotates it under pressure at a pretty fast clip, fast enough that I don't stop it when applying excessive pressure and in the real world I don't apply excessive pressure when buffing out a car so the reality is it keeps the pad rotating and if you're cutting with it it keeps cutting. Isn't that what a rotary does?
By the way the G110v2 and the PC 7424XP do this also but the GG does do it with more power.
Again, all of the new generation dual action polishes are great tools for removing swirls and polishing paint to a high gloss. Not everyone wants or needs the most power.
Mike Phillips
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Sure I agree with you, I think most car guys would agree more power is better, just look all dimensions of the car hobby culture, it's all about power!
I've met a lot of car guys and even car gals that want to take care of their car's finish but they don't go to the extremes like many of us do in the forum world. They don't care to get out each and every scratch and they don't even care if they get out all of the swirls. If they get a polisher and do a simple paint polishing process to their PT Cruiser or their Mazda Miata and when their done the paint looks clear and glossy, and the result they're seeing look way better than any results the achieved by hand, then they're happy.
On paper the Griot's Garage ROP has more power and out in the garage the Griot's Garage has more power from what I can tell and based upon my experience.
So if you want the polisher with the most power this would be your choice but all 3 of the 2nd generation polishers have enough power to keep pads rotating and that's what's important when removing swirls.
The Griot's Garage polisher is still the new kid on the block and time will tell if the reliability is there with the power. The warranty is great but from behind the scenes, I've seen how people act when a tool stops functioning and that's why I wrote as gingerly as I could that if you're the type of person that gets upset when a tool malfunctions then maybe go with a tool that has a time-proven history of reliability.
I met Richard Griot at SEMA this year and he's the real deal as far as being a car guy goes and just as nice in person as you see him on TV or expect after reading any thing he's written on his website or in his catalog. I'm confident they've done their homework when it comes to launching a new tool and and if any problems do arise then they'll address them. Meguiar's ran into a few glitches when they first introduced their polisher and they tackled them head-on and refined their tool to be one of the top 3 tools in this category. You would expect on less from Meguiar's and you should expect no less from either Griot's Garage or Porter Cable. That's the nature of doing professional level business.
So everyone reading this needs to study and evaluate their different options when it comes to any electric polisher and then evaluate themselves and then make their decision.
Whichever tool a person buys one thing for sure, the staff here at Autogeek and myself will be here to support you with your detailing projects and see you through to success in your garage.
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No doubt about that!and then make their decision.
Whichever tool a person buys one thing for sure, the staff here at Autogeek and myself will be here to support you with your detailing projects and see you through to success in your garage.
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