HELP, water spots on C.Quartz

Hey guys,

I tried to remove the water spots with vinegar and it did not work. I guess I have the type II water spots. My next method of approach will be to use a polish with a light cut.
 
fishnugget said:
Hey guys,

I tried to remove the water spots with vinegar and it did not work. I guess I have the type II water spots. My next method of approach will be to use a polish with a light cut.
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Did you get my PM about the better product to use?
 
Hey Richy,

I did get the pm and I will try it on my next order. I was at Chemical Guys store in Inglewood a few days ago and did not see this product. Thanks for the recommendation. Looks like it will replace the use of a light polish so it may be able to remove the Type II water spots I have. Thanks, :)
 
I am lost. I thought that this very expensive stuff was suppose to stop this from happening. If it does not, why?
 
slimnib said:
I am lost. I thought that this very expensive stuff was suppose to stop this from happening. If it does not, why?
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The coatings are not a magic bullet. You don't want bird crap to sit on them, you don't want water spots either, just like always. This should not change how you care for your finish. You will still get stone chips and can still get scratched. Just think of them as a sealant on steroids and you'll have the right idea of what you can expect.
 
slimnib said:
I am lost. I thought that this very expensive stuff was suppose to stop this from happening. If it does not, why?
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Hi
Since silica (component used in Cquartz)and calcium (the water mark stain)are earth substances , they merged very well together , this is one of the weak points of this technology. BUT ... i can say that we are working on it to resist much more water marks and acid rain.
i can say that for now at least the cquartz layer gets the hard water spot , and not the car clearcoat.
for now to prevent acid rain from etching just use Reload after CQ application or Nuba wax spray..
all i can say that i hope very soon we will overcome this as well.:xyxthumbs:
 
Avi@CarPro said:
Hi
Since silica (component used in Cquartz)and calcium (the water mark stain)are earth substances , they merged very well together , this is one of the weak points of this technology. BUT ... i can say that we are working on it to resist much more water marks and acid rain.
i can say that for now at least the cquartz layer gets the hard water spot , and not the car clearcoat.
for now to prevent acid rain from etching just use Reload after CQ application or Nuba wax spray..
all i can say that i hope very soon we will overcome this as well.:xyxthumbs:
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As a consumer I don't think I would be a happy camper if I purchased CQ and this was its performance. I have to put wax on to protect the coating? Why just use 845IW without the coating? IMO
 
dougaross said:
As a consumer I don't think I would be a happy camper if I purchased CQ and this was its performance. I have to put wax on to protect the coating? Why just use 845IW without the coating? IMO
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I agree, I see no really value in this type of stuff. But is seems people always need something new to try. So if if make them happy whom am I to question it.
 
does opticoat have the same issues as C quartz when it comes to water spotting?

I'm not suggesting that you wash and not dry your car but if the OP had opticoat 2.0 on instead of C quartz, would he still be having these issues?
 
embolism said:
does opticoat have the same issues as C quartz when it comes to water spotting?

I'm not suggesting that you wash and not dry your car but if the OP had opticoat 2.0 on instead of C quartz, would he still be having these issues?
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I hope not. I went out to check my car this morning after rain last night and I did not see any on the OC.
 
Avi@CarPro said:
Hi
Since silica (component used in Cquartz)and calcium (the water mark stain)are earth substances , they merged very well together , this is one of the weak points of this technology. BUT ... i can say that we are working on it to resist much more water marks and acid rain.
i can say that for now at least the cquartz layer gets the hard water spot , and not the car clearcoat.
for now to prevent acid rain from etching just use Reload after CQ application or Nuba wax spray..
all i can say that i hope very soon we will overcome this as well.:xyxthumbs:
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Avi, I am very concerned about this weakness. I can't expect clients to apply a water based spray sealant every month or two to protect their "2 year coating/protection". The reason I chose CQ for these clients is because I thought it would be a good choice for someone who is not as diligent about maintaining their vehicles as we are. I certainly do not want clients coming back complaining about water spots on their ride (that they never had issues with before I applied CQ to it). I have recently experienced this first hand with one of my personal vehicles. I applied CQ and allowed it to cure in the garage for 2 days. I then drove the vehicle for the next 7 days. After the 3rd day I did rinse the vehicle down with water only. (I did this rinse based on your recommendation that it was ok to rinse with “water only” during the first week. Then after 7 days car soap wash would be ok). I understand this was probably a bad idea, and is most likely where the spotting came from. However it was an overcast day, and was raining. After rinsing, I immediately drove the vehicle on the freeway for about 15 minutes. During the next 7 days it rained, then the sun would come out, then it would rain and the sun would come back out. This cycle was pretty much non-stop for the week. After 10 days I washed the vehicle (in the shade and with my CR spotless, de-ionized water) and noticed very stuborn, severe water spotting (never had an issue with water spotting before, but then again I’ve never just rinsed a vehicle with water only and drove it either. Being this is my own vehicle; I thought I’d experiment a little). Ended up removing water spots with a light paint cleaner... I have a client’s car scheduled next week for its first washing since applying CQ to it. I know it's been driven a few times in the rain only (no “water only” rinse…lol). It will be interesting to see how it looks. If there is no spotting I will be happy with the performance of CQ and will know that it was the “water only” rinse that primarily caused the spotting on my vehicle.
 
I have no tried vinegar yet because i have been very busy this past week, I did wash again and dried each panel after i rinsed. The water spots were still there and they are not going anywhere. I guess i wasted my money on this product, when i couldve just kept using my sealant because it never did this. I am happy with the coating other than this but i just dont know what to do.
 
After doing much research chemically speaking, this is one reason why I went with Opti Coat. Reload is also silica based so keep that in mind if you decide to use it as a topper.

These new coatings are really starting to show some kinks in their armor. The more I look at these products the more I'm convinced that they are suited to the daily driver than a car where the look is everything and thus the need to keep trying to get the perfect look by experimenting. Once you put a coating on you better be satisfied otherwise you have a lot of work staring you in the face. Seriously if you are the type that is anal about how your car looks I'd stick to conventional Protectants because one of their weaknesses (you need to keep maintaining it) ...is also a huge strength because you can easily rectify and improve if you tried something you don't like.
 
The only reason i use these coatings is because everytime i dry my truck after i wash, i end up with micromaring from my drying towel. I do not have a WW but i use a high quality microfiber towel. With CQ, i do not get these after i wash. and it is my DD, i also love the hardcore water repellency with these because i am somewhat obsessed with water repellency. I might just polish off my CQ and do OC....
 
silverfox said:
After doing much research chemically speaking, this is one reason why I went with Opti Coat. Reload is also silica based so keep that in mind if you decide to use it as a topper.

These new coatings are really starting to show some kinks in their armor. The more I look at these products the more I'm convinced that they are suited to the daily driver than a car where the look is everything and thus the need to keep trying to get the perfect look by experimenting. Once you put a coating on you better be satisfied otherwise you have a lot of work staring you in the face. Seriously if you are the type that is anal about how your car looks I'd stick to conventional Protectants because one of their weaknesses (you need to keep maintaining it) ...is also a huge strength because you can easily rectify and improve if you tried something you don't like.
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Maybe Avi will chime in on whether Reload has the similar water spotting tendencies.
 
silverfox said:
After doing much research chemically speaking, this is one reason why I went with Opti Coat. Reload is also silica based so keep that in mind if you decide to use it as a topper.

These new coatings are really starting to show some kinks in their armor. The more I look at these products the more I'm convinced that they are suited to the daily driver than a car where the look is everything and thus the need to keep trying to get the perfect look by experimenting. Once you put a coating on you better be satisfied otherwise you have a lot of work staring you in the face. Seriously if you are the type that is anal about how your car looks I'd stick to conventional Protectants because one of their weaknesses (you need to keep maintaining it) ...is also a huge strength because you can easily rectify and improve if you tried something you don't like.
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Hi
first thing, reload is silica based as well , but not at all as Cquartz since its water carrier. so the formula is different.
water spots will etch any coat , including OC ! if you have any doubt about that, it will merge with PPS Teflon coat as well, the question is on which coat/sealant/wax you will have less! you are forgeting the other properties you getting with our coat which i dont think you get in any conventional protectants.
and still we are strongly working on this small problem with very possible way to solve it.

kelley386 said:
The only reason i use these coatings is because everytime i dry my truck after i wash, i end up with micromaring from my drying towel. I do not have a WW but i use a high quality microfiber towel. With CQ, i do not get these after i wash. and it is my DD, i also love the hardcore water repellency with these because i am somewhat obsessed with water repellency. I might just polish off my CQ and do OC....
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Sorry, i dont get you, you are happy with Cquartz but you want to remove it and use OC ?

dougaross said:
Maybe Avi will chime in on whether Reload has the similar water spotting tendencies.
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with reload there wont be almost any water spots, and if yes they will be very small ones
 
kelley386 said:
The only reason i use these coatings is because everytime i dry my truck after i wash, i end up with micromaring from my drying towel. I do not have a WW but i use a high quality microfiber towel. With CQ, i do not get these after i wash. and it is my DD, i also love the hardcore water repellency with these because i am somewhat obsessed with water repellency. I might just polish off my CQ and do OC....
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There is a thread on DB where a guy has water spots on his OC protected car too. Neither coating is immune to it at this point.


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I guess resistance to micro-marring is still a great advantage.

Water spotting can still be avoided by general care etc.(like putting a coat of carnauba or a sealant over the coating!)
 
I to have had this problem, with the work involved and the obvious water beading beading properties(Hydrophobic) the coating has I find that for the price point and getting the car prepped properly so the coating bonds there should be better water spot resitance.


The product does make the finish look incredible, but so does Top sealants or say Collinite 915, the waterspot issue I experienced was not sprinkler based(Reclaimed water) but just normal rain sitting on the car.

As the saying goes "Lucy you got some splaining to do"..................
 
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