HELP, water spots on C.Quartz

Avi@CarPro said:
we are strongly working on this small problem with very possible way to solve it.
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Avi,
If CarPro does come out with a version of CQuartz that is more successful at water spot repellant,will it be able to apply over vehicle's that currently have the original CQuartz(older)version applied to them?

I would hate to have to polish off the vehicles(personal,customers)that already has the original CQuartz applied.
 
Just to add to the thread, I applied CQuartz to my gf's black Sontata about a month ago, it's stopped raining long enough this weekend for me to wash it. Friday the sun was out here and it was probably in the upper 70's to low 80's and when she returned from work, her car had several bird bombs on it. When I washed them off it had left etching marks on these places. When I applied reload and wiped, A few of them got removed, but others remained. I went over the entire car with Reload which I am very impressed with, it sure leaves a nice slick finish but within an hour after that, it got hit again by a bird bomb, I noticed it a few hours after that, removed it and it also left behind an etching. Is CQuartz more susceptible to etchings of this kind than the paint sealants we were used to using?

Thanks,
Tom


 
Tom Weed said:
Just to add to the thread, I applied CQuartz to my gf's black Sontata about a month ago, it's stopped raining long enough this weekend for me to wash it. Friday the sun was out here and it was probably in the upper 70's to low 80's and when she returned from work, her car had several bird bombs on it. When I washed them off it had left etching marks on these places. When I applied reload and wiped, A few of them got removed, but others remained. I went over the entire car with Reload which I am very impressed with, it sure leaves a nice slick finish but within an hour after that, it got hit again by a bird bomb, I noticed it a few hours after that, removed it and it also left behind an etching. Is CQuartz more susceptible to etchings of this kind than the paint sealants we were used to using?

Thanks,
Tom
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Tom, this is what I'm seeing too. It sure appears to be more susceptible to etchings of this kind than traditional paint sealants. Were you able to remove the water spots with white vinegar?
 
I'm glad you guys are chining in with these issues and concerns. If I were to buy and apply this product I would expect it to be much more resistant to this type of damage that what I'm hearing.

Isn't the intent of these products to provide a stronger, more impervious barrier that lets say a standard sealant? That was my impression but maybe I misunderstood it's benefit...:dunno:
 
BobbyG said:
I'm glad you guys are chining in with these issues and concerns. If I were to buy and apply this product I would expect it to be much more resistant to this type of damage that what I'm hearing.

Isn't the intent of these products to provide a stronger, more impervious barrier that lets say a standard sealant? That was my impression but maybe I misunderstood it's benefit...:dunno:
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I agree Bobby and sometimes it seems worthwhile to take the wait and see approach with new technology.
 
BobbyG said:
I'm glad you guys are chining in with these issues and concerns. If I were to buy and apply this product I would expect it to be much more resistant to this type of damage that what I'm hearing.

Isn't the intent of these products to provide a stronger, more impervious barrier that lets say a standard sealant? That was my impression but maybe I misunderstood it's benefit...:dunno:
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I agree Bobby. But even if water spots were a weakness I would not expect it to be worse than a wax or sealant. I haven't had an issue first hand yet but this bothers me that this was not made public until people discovered it....

Nobody should have to put a wax or sealant over a coating. That was the point of the coating imo. However if we do need to use reload or a wax etc. we should have been told why this was the case.

Now, if the issues are only with hard tap water then I'm not that dismayed but if its with rainwater as well thats a problem. I've had rain and haven't seen any issues yet.

I'm going to do a hardwater test side by side with the coatings after I polish and re-coat my test panel.
 
Anyone had this issue with Gtechniq C1 or other coatings?

And can it be a surface prep issue? :confused:
 
CEE DOG said:
I agree Bobby. But even if water spots were a weakness I would not expect it to be worse than a wax or sealant. I haven't had an issue first hand yet but this bothers me that this was not made public until people discovered it....

Nobody should have to put a wax or sealant over a coating. That was the point of the coating imo. However if we do need to use reload or a wax etc. we should have been told why this was the case.

Now, if the issues are only with hard tap water then I'm not that dismayed but if its with rainwater as well thats a problem. I've had rain and haven't seen any issues yet.

I'm going to do a hardwater test side by side with the coatings after I polish and re-coat my test panel.
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Corey, I'm starting to think the issue is geared towards hard tap water and not necessarily regular rain water. I have a client’s car that I applied CQ to about 10 days ago scheduled for a wash and evaluation Wednesday afternoon. This car has been rained on several times. I'll update after seeing the car Wednesday.

To all: It appears that I may have jumped the gun and gotten overly excited before verifying if the spotting is due to regular rain water, or from hard/tap water. I want to apologize to all for this. As stated above I will report my findings after seeing the vehicle on Wednesday
 
DARK HORSE said:
Tom, this is what I'm seeing too. It sure appears to be more susceptible to etchings of this kind than traditional paint sealants. Were you able to remove the water spots with white vinegar?
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No, I didn't use vinegar yet, I tried to clean it up the best I could with Re-load and then started to work on my car to get it prepped for Opti-coat, but had way too many distractions this weekend to get anything done... The reason I brought this up, I've never noticed hers or my car to be etched so easily when I used traditional sealants in the past...

On another note, yesterday it stormed here twice, then the sun would come back out with water beads standing on the car. I left the on after the first storm, but after the next storm, I did a wipedown with Re-load and did not see any water spots. Tap water could be a different story.
 
I know a lot of people are disappointed about these coatings over the bird and water etchings but if you think about it, these coatings act as clear coats. With clear coats, cars are always susceptible to etchings by bird bombs and hard water. Therefore, I never saw how these coatings would improve in that area. Of course it would be nice if they did protect from these incidents or if improved versions that deal with this problem can be released soon.
 
Today i still didnt try the vinegar but i got out a foam pad and XMT#2 polish and went to work on my front fender. This did not touch the water spots. And by the way, i washed my truck today and was in shock cause it looked worse after i washed it than it did all dusty. But the XMT #2 didnt work so i grabbed M205, it did remove the water spots. I did all this work by hand, and i definitely shouldnt have to go over my whole truck with a polish BY HAND after spending 60 bucks for this coating that is supposed to protect and i followed all the instructions properly. So anyways, i didnt test the fender after polishing it with M205, hopefully the coating is still there. If it is, I might just do a panel a day until i can look at my truck without cringing.
 
DARK HORSE said:
Corey, I'm starting to think the issue is geared towards hard tap water and not necessarily regular rain water. I have a client’s car that I applied CQ to about 10 days ago scheduled for a wash and evaluation Wednesday afternoon. This car has been rained on several times. I'll update after seeing the car Wednesday.

To all: It appears that I may have jumped the gun and gotten overly excited before verifying if the spotting is due to regular rain water, or from hard/tap water. I want to apologize to all for this. As stated above I will report my findings after seeing the vehicle on Wednesday
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As promised here is my update:

First I would like to start by apologizing to Avi and everyone for my mistake. In my case it is most definitely not an issue with regular rain water. The only issue that I had was with hard tap water (my own fault). The etchings that I got from tap water were somewhat difficult to remove. As I previously stated I had to lightly polish them out with a light paint cleaner. Solution here is; if you get hard tap water on your vehicle, take care of it immediately. However, regular rain water seems to have absolutely NO effect at all on the coating. I am VERY impressed by CQ. I applied CQ to this car 12 days ago. After letting it cure over night in my garage, it's been outside and driven daily since. During the last 8-10 days it has rained, then the sun would come out, then it would rain and the sun would come back out. This cycle has been pretty much non-stop since the CQ application. When I first saw the car today I was absolutely astounded, it looked great! The car looked recently cleaned and there weren’t any water spots at all on the horizontal and upper panels. There were dirt and water spots only on the very lowest panels, which washed off effortlessly. After admiring how good the car looked, I washed it. The dirt that was noticeable (on the lower panels) released effortlessly. The sheeting action was nothing short of incredible! After rinsing the car by sheeting the water I blew what was left (which wasn’t much at all!) off with a leaf blower. Inspected the paint and found absolutely NO signs of etching at all!!! I have 2 more vehicles scheduled to get CQ in the coming days, and I will not hesitate at all to use it. This is an outstanding product and I will continue to use it without concerns!! Here’s a few pictures of the vehicle (some are before the wash and some are after the wash, but I'm not goining to tell which are which...):

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I polished one fender with M205 by hand, it removed the etchings. i have not tried hitting it with water to see if it is still there. Do you think its still on there or will M205 remove it? i dont want to screw up my CQ everywhere...
 
kelley386 said:
I polished one fender with M205 by hand, it removed the etchings. i have not tried hitting it with water to see if it is still there. Do you think its still on there or will M205 remove it? i dont want to screw up my CQ everywhere...
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It might have. If you used an aggressive pad, it will. If you used a mild one, maybe. You'll have to test the sheeting qualities to see.


And, Tad, I applaud you. You stepped up and admitted what could be construed as a misleading post and rectified it. Way to man up buddy! BTW, what kind of bloody commentary is that if our drinking water causes the marks and yet the rain water does not? Makes me want to be a camel.
 
I used a yellow pinnacle foam pad. If this removed it, its not much of a coating ha. I definitely dont have enough CQ left to go over the whole truck again. JEEZ this sucks!
 
kelley386 said:
I polished one fender with M205 by hand, it removed the etchings. i have not tried hitting it with water to see if it is still there. Do you think its still on there or will M205 remove it? i dont want to screw up my CQ everywhere...
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I think you would be better off to use a light paint cleaner like PPCL, or WG PPE. I used PPCL and a crimson HT pad on my personal truck to remove the etchings and the properties of the coating are still in tact...:props:
 
kelley386 said:
I used a yellow pinnacle foam pad. If this removed it, its not much of a coating ha. I definitely dont have enough CQ left to go over the whole truck again. JEEZ this sucks!
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As Richy has suggested; you need to test the sheeting characteristics to see. However I bet that it is probably still there, IMO this stuff seems to be very strong!
 
Alright well i will check and see before i go to polishing the whole truck like this. If it wasnt for the waterspots i would drool over the coating. If i only knew about not to let tap water sit on there before i acually did it. NOBODY ever mentioned it ha. We might have just saved many people a bunch of elbow grease!
 
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