Is it ok to top HD Speed with a sealant?

Eldorado2k said:
But generally I’ve never really been a fan of AIO’s. I don’t like to put my name and reputation alongside the lackluster protection they leave behind. They do look pretty good upon completion though..
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I completely understand not wanting to tarnish your reputation by using a product that provides inferior protection. I wouldn't want to put my reputation along side the protection of an AIO either.

I understand why many detailers have a hard time wrapping their heads around using an AIO if you still have to apply a more durable paint sealant on top. It seems like flawed logic and completely counterintuitive.

Personally, I know that using an AIO like HD Speed and topping it with a sealant allows me to produce the same results in a fraction of the time it takes to use a finishing polish and applying a sealant.

The best thing you can do for you and your customers is throw common sense out the window and start topping your AIO's like the rest of us.lol
 
I usually just throw d156 on top of speed. Just about the easiest, quickest, and most economical combo I can think of. Not to mention completely adequate in terms of protection for those of us who wash our car every week or two and use some sort of "booster" as a drying aid.
 
mwoywod, how does using Speed and topping it save time over using a finishing polish and then a Sealant? Same amount of time, no?
 
I have a question about Mike P’s statement about OTC products mainly being cleaner waxes, because I can’t find it anywhere and it’s killing me... is Turtle Wax ICE Liquid Wax a cleaner wax? I know this is technically against forum rules, mods can delete this if they want, but figured I would ask while I remember it. It’s one of those products I purchased before finding the glorious AGO.
 
I top mine with either Wolfgang sealant or sometimes meguiars number 26 wax, never had anything but great results

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Probably would try megs UFF as the topper. See how that works Eldo


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acuRAS82 said:
I have a question about Mike P’s statement about OTC products mainly being cleaner waxes, because I can’t find it anywhere and it’s killing me... is Turtle Wax ICE Liquid Wax a cleaner wax? I know this is technically against forum rules, mods can delete this if they want, but figured I would ask while I remember it. It’s one of those products I purchased before finding the glorious AGO.
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I believe he was referring to the core waxes. Megs cleaner wax, Turtle Super Hard Shell, Nu Finish, etc.

The more specialty, or "premium" items like Ice, and Megs Ultimate are sort of outside of that realm.

The original Ice product, which was crystal clear claimed to dissolve old waxes, which may or may not have been true. The current offering is different.
 
mwoywod said:
I completely understand not wanting to tarnish your reputation by using a product that provides inferior protection. I wouldn't want to put my reputation along side the protection of an AIO either.

I understand why many detailers have a hard time wrapping their heads around using an AIO if you still have to apply a more durable paint sealant on top. It seems like flawed logic and completely counterintuitive.

Personally, I know that using an AIO like HD Speed and topping it with a sealant allows me to produce the same results in a fraction of the time it takes to use a finishing polish and applying a sealant.

The best thing you can do for you and your customers is throw common sense out the window and start topping your AIO's like the rest of us.lol
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I used to top ColorX with NXT, before I got my Porter Cable, and was applying by hand after rotary polishing (If I even needed to hit it with the rotary). There was something I liked about knowing the job was "done", and insuring some better protection.

Even today I'll apply a spray sealant over a cleaner wax service, just for my own sake. My favorite for that is Optimum Car Wax, and DG Aquawax.
 
acuRAS82 said:
mwoywod, how does using Speed and topping it save time over using a finishing polish and then a Sealant? Same amount of time, no?
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Being able to wait until I'm completely finished to remove HD speed is a massive time saver. I'm not using it to remove defects, I'm typically just zipping over the paint to enhance clarity and gloss. When I use HD speed I'm only doing a few passes over a section and I generally work larger areas than the 2x2 section I work with a polish.

In terms of work time, using HD speed takes less time than doing a section at a time with a dedicated finishing polish BUT more time than applying a finishing sealant. With HD Speed I use faster arm speed, slightly lower machine speeds, and fewer passes compared to using a finishing polish.

That said if you're JUST trying to remove a few months of traffic film, you could use HD Speed with a super soft black polishing pad and apply it to the paint exactly like you would a liquid paint sealant and it would actually be faster because it's easier to remove than even the best waxes/sealants like Pinnacle souveran paste wax and Jescar Powerlock+
 
Mwoywod... And if I was trying to remove defects with speed and use a light cutting pad, the finish would still come out very nice with Speed? Also, I’ve never tried, but is normal finishing polish a bear to remove if you waited until the whole car was polished before removing the polish?
 
acuRAS82 said:
Mwoywod... And if I was trying to remove defects with speed and use a light cutting pad, the finish would still come out very nice with Speed? Also, I’ve never tried, but is normal finishing polish a bear to remove if you waited until the whole car was polished before removing the polish?
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I remove light defects with Speed with great results. Orange/white LC flat pads, and a slower arm speed than Mwoywod was talking about when he is just using it to "shine" the paint like he said. That said, even with this combo, my paint finishes slick, glossy, and LSP ready every time.

And yes, a lot of FP's can be a pain to remove from just one panel let alone a whole car. Not all, of course.
 
It’s amazing having all of the knowledge from you guys. Thanks to everyone for sharing and making the lives of us readers more efficient.
 
acuRAS82 said:
It’s amazing having all of the knowledge from you guys. Thanks to everyone for sharing and making the lives of us readers more efficient.
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We all start from scratch, just like you man. :xyxthumbs:
 
PaulMys said:
I remove light defects with Speed with great results. Orange/white LC flat pads, and a slower arm speed than Mwoywod was talking about when he is just using it to "shine" the paint like he said. That said, even with this combo, my paint finishes slick, glossy, and LSP ready every time.

And yes, a lot of FP's can be a pain to remove from just one panel let alone a whole car. Not all, of course.
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acuRAS82 said:
Mwoywod... And if I was trying to remove defects with speed and use a light cutting pad, the finish would still come out very nice with Speed? Also, I’ve never tried, but is normal finishing polish a bear to remove if you waited until the whole car was polished before removing the polish?
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Like PaulMys said, HD speed is absolutely capable of removing defects. It utilizes non-diminishing abrasives and cuts about the same as HD Polish+

One reason I love HD Speed is because of the flexibility with it's buffing cycle. Whether you work it for 2 passes or 8 passes it's always easy to remove.

Also, if you're trying to remove light defects and swirls you can follow the advice PaulMys gave and still achieve an LSP ready finish with HD Speed.
 
mwoywod said:
Like PaulMys said, HD speed is absolutely capable of removing defects. It utilizes non-diminishing abrasives and cuts about the same as HD Polish+

One reason I love HD Speed is because of the flexibility with it's buffing cycle. Whether you work it for 2 passes or 8 passes it's always easy to remove.

Also, if you're trying to remove light defects and swirls you can follow the advice PaulMys gave and still achieve an LSP ready finish with HD Speed.
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Excellent point. You are always more detailed in your responses than I could ever be, but yeah.... you can work Speed almost to death and it still wipes right off. :xyxthumbs:
 
If using a black pad applying Speed for shine (not so much for correction), would you still switch pads often (6 or so per car)? Or would you only use a few, or just 1?
 
acuRAS82 said:
If using a black pad applying Speed for shine (not so much for correction), would you still switch pads often (6 or so per car)? Or would you only use a few, or just 1?
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If you’re using Speed with a soft black pad you are essentially “applying” it to your paint without doing any correction. No need to use 6 pads, one or two would work fine.
 
BadgerRivFan said:
If you’re using Speed with a soft black pad you are essentially “applying” it to your paint without doing any correction. No need to use 6 pads, one or two would work fine.
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Do you think this black pad application would remove a previous few month old sealant?
 
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