Klasse ALIO and Klasse Glaze

It's amazing how many different opinions there are about Klasse AIO.

Lasts months, lasts weeks.
I vote for weeks. :)

Leaves protection, doesn't leave protection.
If it doesn't then why do they claim it does?
From the AG ad copy.
5. Your vehicle will be clean, polished and protected for 4 to 8 months.

Would this be considered an enigma? :confused:




Would this thread be considered "Beating a dead horse"? :D
Did the original poster ever get his question answered?
 
Something is out of wak here
1. How do we measure durability
is it measured by beading? If so dirt dust and pollen ca affect beading.
2. Is the durability of some products more intangible or something that can't readily be seen. In other words just because water stops beading doesn't mean the product has stop protecting.

Those are questions asked all the time about lots of different products and there's never really any conclusive tests that demonstrated concrete answers that apply across the board because there's so many factors that influence results between cars and people in the real world that testing can only serve as a guide or reference point. Most "Wax Tests" that start out as a thread on a forum usually evolve into a Wax War and that trend probably won't ever change knowing the nature of people and online forums. :D

For most "car enthusiasts", that is most, not all, we wash, clay, polish and wax or cars often enough that 2-3 months durability isn't a good thing or a bad thing because before 2-3 months go by we're repeating one or more paint care procedures.

I waxed my truck 2 weeks ago and yesterday spray-waxed it. After the Dallas Roadshow class I'll probably do some wet-sanding to the smooth panels and then wax it some more.

Klasse AIO is not a sealant and does not provide any real paint protection.

Klasse AIO is a product that falls into the Cleaner/Wax Category. Regardless of whether the protection ingredients are a waxy substance, a synthetic polymer substance or some kind of acrylic substance, the point is it cleans and protects thus it falls into the cleaner/wax category like many products on the market.

If it just cleaned, then it would a paint cleaner, but it does leave behind a protective barrier coating on the surface. Even the name implies cleaner/wax as a cleaner/wax cleans, polishes and protects in one step.

This probably circles back around to words and their meanings and some people don't like to see the word wax, polish or glaze used interchangeably but in this industry that's what happens.



It lays down an acrylic coating that lasts 6 months or longer,

That coating is the protection aspect of the product. Whether it's okay, good or great is subjective but it is a coating left behind on the surface thus the product is a cleaner/wax or cleaner/use a word you like here besides wax that implies protection


The problem with Klasse AIO is that there is no right way to use it.

Or maybe a better way to say this would be, it's versatile, there is not right or wrong way to use it.

One thing for sure, it has a very strong and loyal following.


It's amazing how many different opinions there are about Klasse AIO.

Or any wax or sealant for that matter...


Did the original poster ever get his question answered?

I think he did somewhere in this thread. It probably would have been better if when the question about durability and protection came up a new/dedicated thread on that topic alone was started not that a definitive consensus would ever be unanimously agreed upon.

:)
 
I would call Klasse AIO a Cleaner Wax but it doesn't protect the paint from anything. If you read the back of the bottle, it says right there that it will clean the paint and lay down an acrylic coating to protect and preserve the shine of the paint for 6 months or more. The protection has nothing to do with actually protecting the paint from environmental conditions. If you want that kind of protection, then you use the Sealant Glaze.

Can you use Klasse AIO all by itself? Of course you can. Your car will look shiny for 6-8 months and that's all it will do.

Either way, it doesn't matter. The Klasse Twins have horrible application and removal procedures. There are products out there that Klasse AIO and SG do in one step and still have a much easier application - Optimum Poli-Seal, Zaino Z-AIO, Poorboy's Polish with Sealant, etc. Why Klasse still sells, I have no idea, because it doesn't even look good on dark colors.
 
Just going by what the manufacture states, it reads like a cleaner/wax, substitute any word you like for the word 'wax' in the term cleaner/wax.

cleanewax.jpg



Everyone can make up their own mind...


:)
 
Thanks for posting that picture, Mike. It's the shine that is sealed and protected, not so much the paint. Klasse AIO alone will stop beading water after no more than just a few weeks.

Real paint protection comes from topping the product with Sealant Glaze.
 
Thanks for posting that picture, Mike. It's the shine that is sealed and protected, not so much the paint. Klasse AIO alone will stop beading water after no more than just a few weeks.

How can it seal in an appearance characteristic, (shine), but not at the same time be coating-over and sealing the paint with some kind of protection ingredient.

Doesn't really matter, like I posted before, everyone can decide for themselves.


:)
 
Now it seems we are in to semantics. :)

I can only say this:
If I picked up a bottle of KAIO in a store and read that label, I would certainly be expecting the paint to be protected.
My experience with KAIO durability or lack thereof has nothing to do with beading.
After 3 weeks, the shine was gone. If the product is truly just protecting the shine, it didn't do a very good job of it.
Great cleaner/prep with less than expected durability. :)
 
Thanks for posting that picture, Mike. It's the shine that is sealed and protected, not so much the paint. Klasse AIO alone will stop beading water after no more than just a few weeks.

Real paint protection comes from topping the product with Sealant Glaze.

I was pretty much done with this but given resent coments I can't help it.

1. Mike your point is well taken the poor op is probably wondering what he started I thought I should have started a new thread but after it was way to late.

2. Is shine somehow separate from paint or is shine a bi product of buffing paint. Dull paint add polish buff shiny paint.

3. It says it polishes to a wet look shine like most other polishes say, and locks into the pain speaking about it's bonding characteristics it says nothing about locking in the shine.

4. Read the whole bottle eveything you said it doesn't protect against,..... It protects against, It states Provides 6-8 months of protection against salt water, sun, industrial polutants and corrosive elements.

5. One of the other posts stated as long as protection results were close claimed durability he was ok with that. Well that's really the point what people have reported for durability is even close to the claim.

As I stated before I get conditions environment and the like but the difference was to great for these factors. Killerwheels said he likens the durability to show wax 3-4 weeks he did come back and say it's probably a little better than that but even if you say 2 months that's still 4-6 months shy of the claimed durability. This is why I started down the path of proper application. I use the stuff aio and the sealant I don't think it's that hard if you follow the directions but as a user I was just concerned what more expireienced people than my self were saying about durability. As I have not used it long enough to know.
 
I think with any product, environment plays a heavy part on it. Does the car sit in a garage ?? Is it used daily, weekly, monthly ??? Whats the weather like, extreme heat ?? Also elements like what type of wash, wash mitts, and even drying towels can play a part in a products durability. What I know for fact is AIO will protect on its own for a little bit of time, but to truly see the bulletproof nature of Klasse you must use the Twins together.

And ... I will note, I have seen no loss in durability using my method of application/removal of SG and its a bear to remove otherwise even after sitting 24 hours. So if it works, do it !
 
Klasse AIO also claims to remove scratches, swirl marks, oxidation, blah blah blah. Klasse AIO does none of those things that are written on the label so to believe that an application of AIO will seal and protect paint for 6-8 months is an exaggeration.

Klasse AIO, to me, is just a cleaner glaze and preps the paint for application(s) of Sealant Glaze.
 
How long do you have to wait to top klasse all in one with a wax like pinnacle paste?
 
Or maybe a better way to say this would be, it's versatile, there is not right or wrong way to use it. One thing for sure, it has a very strong and loyal following :props:.

:iagree:

Klasse has been producing these for quite some time and trust me they work!

Klasse All-In-One & Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze were designed to work together. You've probably all heard of them called "The Klasse Twins" and for good reason.

Both products can be applied by hand or with a dual action polisher. While many have applied these manually my preference is with a machine.

Machine application provides more consistency and uniformity than anyone can achieve manually. It's quicker, easier on the user and produces a much nicer end product.

Klasse All-In-One when applied using your dual action polisher forces the product to really work for that deep cleaning and chemical correction everyone's looking for.

Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze like most other sealant must be applied thin to make buffing and haze removal easy. There is simply no better way to to apply this product..
 
Car looks great 02Blackout!

Your going to want to go ahead and buy the Klasse sealant glaze as well, no doubt about it. The Klasse "twins" are a good pair to keep your car looking its best and here's a tip or two, apply the KSG and wait 12 hrs and apply another coat for added protection and more "pop". Also, make sure the applicator is wet, wrung out and then apply the product, makes spreading it out alot easier, especially when using KSG. Make sure you wipe off the KSG right away, its a PITA to remove if you leave it on too long and/or use too much but if that happens, no problem, spray a little quick detailer to your MF towel to remove it and whatever you do, DO NOT APPLY TO GLASS (KSG)
 
How long do you have to wait to top klasse all in one with a wax like pinnacle paste?

No wait time with KAIO, so go ahead and top it right away. Its only got a little protection, so don't wait too long.
 
Will there be no bonding issues for kaio topped with any wax or sealant, for example SNH or BFWD? Thanks!
 
Will there be no bonding issues for kaio topped with any wax or sealant, for example SNH or BFWD? Thanks!

You shouldn't have any issues topping the Klasse. I use Klasse as a chemical paint cleanser on a large majority of my jobs and top it without a problem.
 
If you like Klasse AIO you should really try Werkstat Prime. It is an updated version of KAIO that is easy to use and there are 4 versions to fit your needs.

Also Werkstat Acrylic Jett is the updated version of Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze. They even have a trigger version that makes it easier to apply.
 
If I use KLASSE all in one can I use a diff glaze then KLASSE glaze? Like megs glaze #7?
 
You can put anything ontop of KAIO right afterwards, but if you apply a coat of KSG you'll need to wait 12 hrs for it to cure.
 
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