Maybe the LC orange pad should be marketed as a polishing pad?

07 z-oh-6 said:
Every daily driver I've worked on with swirled paint with an LC Orange and M105, it just doesn't come close to a swirl free finish. It tackles maybe 50% of the swirls. M105 is a potent compound, and while the orange pad is a "light cutting" pad, it's still classified as a cutting pad. I'm always unimpressed with it's cutting ability. I use it mainly with the Flex 3401. The cut of this pad is just not there, IME. :dunno: I always have to go with a B&S yellow, surbuf, or MF disc.
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Hi Mark...

RE: To LC Orange Pad...Or Not


-I couldn't help but notice this: "orange-pad-experience"...is happening on Daily Drivers...And with maybe 50% swirl removal.

-I understand your wanting to give the customers close to 100% correction as possible...You are a Detailing Artist, IMHO.

-But...What did you promise to be delivered to the customer? I sense that you probably want to deliver more than what you promised. That's a good thing...Also IMHO.


Another thing, if I may...

-Preservation of as much clear-coat as possible, should be explained as fully as necessary to get that point across to a Daily Driver Customer.

-After all...There are so many other sinister forces that are awaiting to abrade vehicles' clear-coat...Especially DD's!
-Any additional: "trying to attain 100% swirl-free D.D., CC paint finishes" might be a 'detailing-step' well worth re-considering, IMHO.

-In some cases, 50% correction may just be good enough for many vehicles' CC paint preservation for the long haul.
However...I know full well that it may not be just good enough for you, though. Again, that's a good thing, IMHO.

-With you being a Professional Detailer...
I'm positive your decision making processes will be correct (pun intended), and, more than judicious for your customers...If the above CC preservation theme might be of interest, that is.


Just a few of my thoughts.


:)

Bob
 
Yea I tend to agree. Whenever I use my orange pads I tend to have to go over a section a couple times to get a swirled up car almost completely swirl free.
 
I like the orange pad teamed with m105 or d151 and Kevin brown method. I also really like yellow buff and shine. Now I reach for microfiber more and more
 
sal329 said:
I like the orange pad teamed with m105 or d151 and Kevin brown method.
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Me too. Since studying the writings of Kevin Brown and practicing his proposed methods of pad priming and the use of wetting agents (water) I can get full paint corrections done on the average car with white polishing pads and M-105 in good time. The orange pads work well for most of my light cutting needs but I am using a rotary.
 
sal329 said:
Now I reach for microfiber more and more
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The MF pads blow the orange pad outta the water as far as cut with a DA.

Deep Gloss Auto Salon said:
It may not deliver the cut you "expected" but by all means it is a light cutting pad as classified....
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I guess it's personal preference to the end user, but the orange pad is always mentioned to be effective with a compound for heavy swirling and a DA. That hasn't been the case, IME, and others as well. One could argue that it built that reputation of being effective for a reason, I just don't see it as a light cutting pad, but more of a polishing pad.
 
I have found the LC orange to do everything I wanted it to. On some paints, it definitely does takes longer. I don't mind taking extra time with it to remove the defects. But with detailers that bring in lots of business, using more aggressive pad would be better.

I like using the LC orange with an AIO type product. It gives the AIO more cut. Each pad has their place in the detail.
 
SRTSean said:
I thought this sounded familiar. :laughing:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/37069-i-feel-lc-orange-pad-doesn-t-have.html
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Ummmm, I'm very much aware that I started that thread. I only had orange pads on me on a detail this past weekend(my fault), and they didn't do me any good. I wanted to hear more opinions, so I started another thread.

The Pad Man said:
Call it "Heavy polishing". The light cutting term is just used as 1 reference point. There are a bunch of factors when polish cars. Ambient temp, chemical used, type of clear, thiscness of clear, brand of clear, speed of machine, type of machine, time spent polishing and many more. Does this make sense?
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Yes, that makes sense. I guess for me, when I see the word cutting, I expected more cut. I just wanted to hear others opinions. :)
 
Ya'll have me super interested in these other pads. Any links/threads for good info?

All I've ever used has been the orange LC pads on my DA PC (not for sealant applciation, obviously). They usually get the job done- when they don't I have to use a more abrasive product. I need to expand my pad selection, I think it may open up a ton of possibilities for me.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Every daily driver I've worked on with swirled paint with an LC Orange and M105, it just doesn't come close to a swirl free finish. It tackles maybe 50% of the swirls. M105 is a potent compound, and while the orange pad is a "light cutting" pad, it's still classified as a cutting pad. I'm always unimpressed with it's cutting ability. I use it mainly with the Flex 3401. The cut of this pad is just not there, IME. :dunno: I always have to go with a B&S yellow, surbuf, or MF disc.
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Is the cutting ability of the yellow pad significantly better then with the orange one??




:props:
 
Danube said:
Is the cutting ability of the yellow pad significantly better then with the orange one??




:props:
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Yes, but the LC yellow pad finishes with a lot of marring, generally speaking. Most will say, well, get the LC Cyan pad. The Cyan pad cuts and finishes very nicely, but disintegrates very easily. They're not durable at all. A pad that cuts and finishes like the Cyan, but is way more durable is what's needed from LC, IMO. There's another company that has a pad like this, but that's not what this thread is about. Just saying. :)
 
I would agree with that. It does work as a cutting pad on softer clear. But, most vehicles it doesn't cut as much as I'd like.

Now that I think about it. Most the time I use the orange pad with 205. I like the combination...it gives the 205 a little more cut. Typically only for those customers who don't wanna pay for correction, but their paint needs it. I can't help but at least TRY in one step, haha.
 
either i due to being new to polishing did not use enough pressure or these orange pads didn't work for me either. i used it on laser blue actually very nice condition paint but many swirls. i just did not see the swirls removed in the end some yes but all no. how much pressure do you guys use? i pressed down but did not force it down with killer pressure
 
Motogoon said:
either i due to being new to polishing did not use enough pressure or these orange pads didn't work for me either. i used it on laser blue actually very nice condition paint but many swirls. i just did not see the swirls removed in the end some yes but all no. how much pressure do you guys use? i pressed down but did not force it down with killer pressure
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Again, I do not consider the orange pad a cutting pad by any means. If you used some pressure, adding more isn't gonna make THAT big of a difference.

FWIW, this thread is not meant to bash LC. They make some very nice pads.
 
Chris@Optimum said:
I think of it as more of a AIO pad.
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Same here. That's the only reason I picked up 4 recently, to try with some new AIO's.


Kristopher1129 said:
It does work as a cutting pad on softer clear.
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I agree but I'm with Setec Astronomy as noted below...

Setec Astronomy said:
The HT Tangerine pads are everything the regular orange are and more, BTW.
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Great thread Mark. After using the Cyan HT pads I stopped ordering the orange pad for cutting purposes due to the fact it (cyan HT) has way more cut and finishes down the same and sometimes better even with M105. Also as you mentioned the Cyan HT pad does not last long at all which is why I switched to Meg's MF cutting disc and D300, followed by the Tangerine HT pad. On harder clears I cut with M105 on Surbuf followed by M105 on Cyan HT or D300/MF cutting disc, then M205 on Tangerine.
 
I find the Orange LC to cut just fine. Maybe its technique? With a rotary and Orange/105 I get good cut even on harder clears, and get good results with a DA too.. I think it is versatile too cause I can do 1-steps with it and also finish with it too on some paints.
 
I have always had great luck with LC Orange and M105. But I haven't used a ton of pads like a lot of guys. Maybe I need to try more :)
 
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