"New" Adam's Polisher

swanicyouth said:
They did say in one video the PC pad only orbits, doesn't spin and they did say you should stay away from a PC if you have a dark car. I do not know the exact quote, and am not watching those videos again, but that's the gist of it. Both are pieces of misinformation. I've also seen in past videos them demoing the PC (when they sold it) showing proper technique is the pad not spinning - just jiggling.
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There is so much misinformation in your post it is unbelievable. Yes, they were saying the PC does not have forced rotation. Yes, they said if you are a beginner it is difficult to get a perfect finish (100% correction) with the PC, and they show the pad spin in every one of their videos. In fact, they even show marking the pad with a Sharpie so you can see it spin.

You are simply selectively taking their quotes out of context to make it sound like Adam's is the worst company in the world and cannot be trusted which is simply not true.
 
SYMAWD said:
There is so much misinformation in your post it is unbelievable. Yes, they were saying the PC does not have forced rotation. Yes, they said if you are a beginner it is difficult to get a perfect finish (100% correction) with the PC, and they show the pad spin in every one of their videos. In fact, they even show marking the pad with a Sharpie so you can see it spin.

You are simply selectively taking their quotes out of context to make it sound like Adam's is the worst company in the world and cannot be trusted which is simply not true.
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This is silly. The video is on their website under the "Adam's" Cyclo. Did you watch it? Anyone can watch it and see what it says. Nothing is taken out of context. Everyone can watch the video themselves and make up their own mind. I'm sure many have.
 
02xtreme07SS said:
I agree with you to a point, but historically speaking Chinese made tools simply don't last. The chinese are the absolute kings of cutting every corner they can to increase profit margin.
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And there are plenty of American companies encouraging it and ready to buy what they make. It is actually the American resellers that mark it up dramatically.
 
SYMAWD said:
I watched their last 4 video series featuring the PC, and not once did they say the backing plate shouldn't spin.
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varga740 said:
They don't instruct that. They suggest drawing a line with a marker to make sure it keeps moving like everyone else does.
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Adam's Polishes

REMOVING SWIRL MARKS

Removing swirl marks is a slow and time consuming process and follows the claying step. You will need a random orbital polisher. I use the Porter Cable, Adams Haze and Swirl Remover, an orange buffer pad and lots of patience. Adam’s Swirl and Haze Remover Car Polish is formulated for use with professional grade dual-action car polishers like the Porter Cable 7424 XP. Dual action car polishers operate at very high speeds ( some over 6,000 oscillations per minute), but the pad throw is very short.

Set the random orbital to 5 or 6 thousand OPM’S using the Orange Adam’s Buffing pad. Prior to applying Swirl and Haze Remover mist the orange pad with a shot of Detail Spray. Using Adam’s Swirl and Haze Remover apply a small amount to the orange Swirl Killer Foam Pad. You can apply the Swirl and Haze Remover to the car or the pad. Put the pad on the surface of the car BEFORE turning on the random orbital to keep the product from flying all over your garage.

Do a small section, about 2’ by 2’, at a time. Put a line on the backing plate using a Magic Marker. Use just enough pressure to stop the backing plate and pad from rotating.

Go north south and east west. Swirl marks don’t follow a pattern.

Use a minimal amount of pressure to start with and go more aggressive only if necessary. Move the pads slowly over the surface. I move the pad about an inch per second.

Check your results by removing the Adams Swirl and Haze Remover with an Adam’s Microfiber Towel. It does not need to dry. Remove it immediately and inspect your work.

Repeat the process IF NECESSARY using slightly more pressure.

Move on to the next section until you’ve done the complete car.
 
I believe a lot of people are having a problem with Adam stating if you have a dark colored car stay away from the PC as you won't be able to polish it to perfection. He also says you can only do a panel or two at a time or it will vibrate the hands off your wrists.

I don’t believe there were any disclaimers warning customers of potential issues with dark colored vehicles or excess vibration when they purchased the PC7424.

I believe a lot of people on this forum have polished dark colored cars to perfection and have the ability to polish more than two panels at one time.
 
swanicyouth said:
This is silly. The video is on their website under the "Adam's" Cyclo. Did you watch it? Anyone can watch it and see what it says. Nothing is taken out of context. Everyone can watch the video themselves and make up their own mind. I'm sure many have.
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Yes, I have watched them all. They are not saying what you are saying. As I said above, the PC does only orbit (no forced rotation), but does spin as a result of the motion as demonstrated in the video series. They do say for a beginner it is hard to get 100% correction with a PC (and that is why they made the dark paint comment). They never said it can't be used on dark paint and they then go onto to show it correcting a black car. My question is, did you watch the videos?
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Adam's Polishes

Do a small section, about 2’ by 2’, at a time. Put a line on the backing plate using a Magic Marker. Use just enough pressure to stop the backing plate and pad from rotating.

Maybe their instructions have changed, but when I was looking at their products and videos that is what was being instructed.
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That is not their official site. I have never seen a video or instructions by them that said to stop rotation.
 
Paul Mitchell said:
I believe a lot of people are having a problem with Adam stating if you have a dark colored car stay away from the PC as you won't be able to polish it to perfection. He also says you can only do a panel or two at a time or it will vibrate the hands off your wrists.

I don’t believe there were any disclaimers warning customers of potential issues with dark colored vehicles or excess vibration when they purchased the PC7424.

I believe a lot of people on this forum have polished dark colored cars to perfection and have the ability to polish more than two panels at one time.
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They always pushed the Flex as being better and being able to achieve better correction faster and in their Vol 7 videos they only recommend speed 5 for the PC as the vibrations are lower.
 
SYMAWD said:
Yes, I have watched them all. They are not saying what you are saying. As I said above, the PC does only orbit (no forced rotation), but does spin as a result of the motion as demonstrated in the video series. They do say for a beginner it is hard to get 100% correction with a PC (and that is why they made the dark paint comment). They never said it can't be used on dark paint and they then go onto to show it correcting a black car. My question is, did you watch the videos?


That is not their official site. I have never seen a video or instructions by them that said to stop rotation.
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My bad, but I found the video and AG thread.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/51209-check-out-technique-thoughts.html


[video=youtube_share;q3sd9L1-k3E"]Adam's Polishes Clinic @ Detailer'S Domain - YouTube[/video]

I just confirmed with my friend who attended this clinic and who's car I detailed yesterday (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/69543-2014-mustang-gt-california-special.html) that those were the instructions.

I attended this years Adams Detail Clinic with the same friend @ Detailers Domain.
 
SYMAWD said:
There is so much misinformation in your post it is unbelievable. Yes, they were saying the PC does not have forced rotation. Yes, they said if you are a beginner it is difficult to get a perfect finish (100% correction) with the PC, and they show the pad spin in every one of their videos. In fact, they even show marking the pad with a Sharpie so you can see it spin.
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I only watched the first video: in that one he clearly states that the PC does not rotate, only oscillates (he is not talking about forced rotation). This is plain wrong!
 
Bunky said:
And there are plenty of American companies encouraging it and ready to buy what they make. It is actually the American resellers that mark it up dramatically.
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Agreed, but that doesn't change my experience with Chinese made tools, hand or electric. They just don't last. In all fairness to China, I had a Flex PE14 die on the second use. Go figure.
 
So, I went and re-watched the "Choosing Your Machine" video to see if I was mistaken. These are the 3 DIRECT / EXACT quotes from the video regarding the PC 7424 XP:

1. "If you have a dark colored vehicle, I would definitely stay away from the Porter Cable, because it's very difficult to get a perfect finish with the Porter Cable"

2. "It only orbits"

3. "You don't want to do more than a panel or two at a time or it will shake your hands off the ends of your wrist"

Then they go on to tell you not to use a rotary, but to use 4" pads on a DRILL. LOL.
 
SYMAWD said:
They always pushed the Flex as being better and being able to achieve better correction faster and in their Vol 7 videos they only recommend speed 5 for the PC as the vibrations are lower.
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The point Swanicyouth and others, including myself, are trying to make is that Adams, when selling the PC7424, did not disclose the following:

1. The machine should not be purchased by people with dark vehicles.

2. You won't be able to polish more than one or two panels at a time.

These are Adam's opinions per his own video promoting the Cyclo. If this is how he truly felt when promoting the PC7424 didn't he owe full disclosure to his customers?

I think most people on this forum are aware that speed five vibrates less than speed six and the flex will finish faster than a PC or equivalent. I reviewed volume seven when he was machine polishing the Corvette and he spread the product on speed five and polished on speed six and I did not hear any comments about the vibration issue nor did I hear a comment that it would take days to finish the vehicle due to the excessive vibration.

I certainly have no problem with Adam switching to the Cyclo from the PC7424 but he did not have to denigrate the PC7424 in his video. An astute businessman would have merely stated he was switching to the Cyclo as it is 100% American made.
 
Form your own conclusions guys. If you watch the whole series you would might change your opinions. They go on and show that the PC does spin and that it does correct just as well. In past videos they did say that the PC vibrated a lot.

I don't love or hate Adam's products, I just feel that you guys are getting the wrong idea.
 
That's an old video. The current official videos you can clearly see how he keeps the pad rotating. In the other Vol 8 video using the old polishes Dylan clearly explains how you need to keep the pad rotating because if not, it's not doing any cutting. I tried to find them but I guess they took it down to replace it with videos using the new polishes.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMyD61t2fXA]Adam's Polishes Guide to Machine Polishing Chapter 7 Porter Cable with Microfiber Pads - YouTube[/video]

And here at the start he explains why they are not selling the PC on their site anymore and it's not because it doesn't finish well on black paint.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMyD61t2fXA]Adam's Polishes Guide to Machine Polishing Chapter 7 Porter Cable with Microfiber Pads - YouTube[/video]
 
And the part about the vibration, it's his personal preference using the PC on 5 rather than 6. He has said if you can handle the vibration on speed 6, by all means go for it.

They say if you want to to go for perfect then you can use the drill for the deep scratches and they reiterate that you need to be careful with it, not apply too much pressure, keep it moving because it will heat up quickly, and follow it up with a pc because it will leave holograms. They tell you to practice safe technique with it, they don't just tell you to use the drill at will like you seem to imply.
 
I was also an Adam's "fanboy" at one time too. When I was new to detailing and reading their forum it seemed everyone loves their products and there is no better product on the market. I ordered a bunch of their products and was overall happy with them (I didn't know what REALLY good products are yet).

I came to realize that there are much better products out there for the money and their forums are moderated by the Gestapo and you won't find a single mediocre or negative review on their forums.

I did send a bunch of stuff back like their polishes, pads (7" pads for a porter cable? lol), and super sealant. I did receive the 110% money back from them but it was NOT simple like send it back and just get 110% back. I had to call in twice about my return and I was accused that "sometimes customers of ours are hard up for money and return our products because they need money, we are trying to figure out exactly why you are not happy with particular products"

I had to go on and explain that using Meg's 101 mixed with D300 and Menzerna SF4000 for Polish with 5" CCS pads I got a MUCH better finish with only a 2 step process compared to their 3 step process. I had to go down the list and defend each and every return with the product that I compared it to like this. Their customer service was very nice in the past but while trying to return I didn't have the greatest experience where I felt talked down to a little bit and I had to defend the technique that I used with their products.
 
LongIslandPlaya said:
their forums are moderated by the Gestapo and you won't find a single mediocre or negative review on their forums.
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Not true anymore if it used to be true. Go search for my Total Interior Detailer review on there. I can't stand that stuff.
 
swanicyouth said:
Did anyone see Adams dumped the PC and is now pushing the "Adams" Cyclo, complete with a red Adams handle. The funny thing is I was watching a video on their site where they say "if you have a dark colored car, you want to stay away from a PC". Really? Isn't a Cyclo doing the same exact thing a PC is doing, but with 4" pads x 2 ?

I just thought it was funny and had to mention it someplace. Where was that "PC caution" when they where selling it for X # of years? How does that even begin to make sense when tons of detailer have been using a PC type DA polisher for years to finish with on all types of paints with great success?

They say the dumped it because its "Made in China" which goes against their buisness practices. But then go on to push the Flex 3401, which is made in Germany, in the SAME video - but gloss right over that. They don't want to lose jobs to Chinese people, but are OK loosing them to Germans?

I encourage you all to watch the videos and form your own conclusions.
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You are a thinking man. Common sense runs in your veins. If you have watched any of my videos, you know that I strive on common sense. Never allow anyone to talk you out of what your gut is trying to tell you. That is how people become victims of those who want to take advantage of them.

I salute your common sense. :dblthumb2:
 
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