New ONR Hyper Foam

[Setec Astronomy]

IMO, since joining AG back in February 2012, the only true "game changers" have been RW's themselves

Yeah, but rinseless goes back way before then, it just took a really long time to gain acceptance, even amongst us...um...experimenters?

ONR came out in 2006 or 2007, but before that we used to use QEW (Quick & Easy Wash, the company was Protect All and has been sold and that product is no longer made ). I learned about QEW at Autopia or MOL in 2004-ish, but it was a product originally created for the RV market and certainly goes back to the 90's.

PS This is the description for the (out-of-stock) WalMart page for QEW: "Quick & Easy Wash is a non-abrasive, anti-static, water repellent wash that leaves a super clean, sparkling shine with no streaks, spots or soapy film. Quick & Easy Wash is specially formulated to allow washing without rinsing. Wash any vehicle wherever it is parked. This is especially important where water is restricted Because you don't need to rinse you can wash in your garage, apartment parking stall, campgrounds, parks, marina and airport tiedowns."

 

[Klasse Act]

Yeah, but rinseless goes back way before then, it just took a really long time to gain acceptance, even amongst us...um...experimenters?

ONR came out in 2006 or 2007, but before that we used to use QEW (Quick & Easy Wash, the company was Protect All and has been sold and that product is no longer made ). I learned about QEW at Autopia or MOL in 2004-ish, but it was a product originally created for the RV market and certainly goes back to the 90's.

PS This is the description for the (out-of-stock) WalMart page for QEW: "Quick & Easy Wash is a non-abrasive, anti-static, water repellent wash that leaves a super clean, sparkling shine with no streaks, spots or soapy film. Quick & Easy Wash is specially formulated to allow washing without rinsing. Wash any vehicle wherever it is parked. This is especially important where water is restricted Because you don't need to rinse you can wash in your garage, apartment parking stall, campgrounds, parks, marina and airport tiedowns."

So would you say ONR took the ball and ran or was there another product after this but before ONR

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[Setec Astronomy]

So would you say ONR took the ball and ran or was there another product after this but before ONR

This is the way I remember it--QEW was a last resort winter wash, when you couldn't stand your car being dirty anymore. It wasn't something that anyone used when they could use a hose instead.

Optimum had been around for a few years with their patented car wax (OCW), and I think had early versions of their polishes, when they came out with ONR in 2006. Anthony Orosco and I believe also ScottWax, who were Optimum testers, were early proponents of ONR, and yes, ONR took the ball and ran with it and was the only game in town for several years, but it was really slow getting people to adopt the process (just ask Bradley at ADS).

Anthony Orosco had videos of using it, before YouTube was really a thing, I forget how he originally hosted it but he posted this video which was originally from 2006 or 7, to YouTube in 2012:

. To my memory that was one of the first detailing videos ever posted online, as I said, before YouTube, or at least before YouTube was popular. I know Mike Phillips was also doing some videos in the same time period, I can't remember how those were hosted.

 

[Klasse Act]

This is the way I remember it--QEW was a last resort winter wash, when you couldn't stand your car being dirty anymore. It wasn't something that anyone used when they could use a hose instead.

Optimum had been around for a few years with their patented car wax (OCW), and I think had early versions of their polishes, when they came out with ONR in 2006. Anthony Orosco and I believe also ScottWax, who were Optimum testers, were early proponents of ONR, and yes, ONR took the ball and ran with it and was the only game in town for several years, but it was really slow getting people to adopt the process (just ask Bradley at ADS).

Anthony Orosco had videos of using it, before YouTube was really a thing, I forget how he originally hosted it but he posted this video which was originally from 2006 or 7, to YouTube in 2012:

. To my memory that was one of the first detailing videos ever posted online, as I said, before YouTube, or at least before YouTube was popular. I know Mike Phillips was also doing some videos in the same time period, I can't remember how those were hosted.

They missed a copyright strike with that Queen playing in the background

That yellow bucket though

Thanks for sharing the video and damn that Ford GT looks great, all day over the Ferrai, well, THAT Ferrari anyways

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[BLM]

I don't think that's quite fair, to your point, customers of a mobile detailer almost certainly don't know what a rinseless wash is, and would think their car is getting washed with water, and they're not "getting their money's worth". I have wondered many times when doing a rinseless in my driveway whether my neighbors are looking out the window saying "he's washing his car with water!"

Well on this we will just have to agree to disagree. Even the guys I grew up with and have been washing vehicles as long as I have been doing so have never used rinseless and didn't know it existed until I explained it to them.
As far as my neighbors thinking I am washing my car with plain water most likely don't care what I'm washing my car with so I doubt they analyze what I may or may not be using to do the wash. They just think I am obsessive about the washing and that is the extent of their interest.
The detailing customer is only interested in the final product and most likely don't care how it was achieved. Just that it is clean and shiny upon completion.

 

[chilly]

This is the way I remember it--QEW was a last resort winter wash, when you couldn't stand your car being dirty anymore. It wasn't something that anyone used when they could use a hose instead.

Optimum had been around for a few years with their patented car wax (OCW), and I think had early versions of their polishes, when they came out with ONR in 2006. Anthony Orosco and I believe also ScottWax, who were Optimum testers, were early proponents of ONR, and yes, ONR took the ball and ran with it and was the only game in town for several years, but it was really slow getting people to adopt the process (just ask Bradley at ADS).

Anthony Orosco had videos of using it, before YouTube was really a thing, I forget how he originally hosted it but he posted this video which was originally from 2006 or 7, to YouTube in 2012:

. To my memory that was one of the first detailing videos ever posted online, as I said, before YouTube, or at least before YouTube was popular. I know Mike Phillips was also doing some videos in the same time period, I can't remember how those were hosted.

I had mentioned a video from that time period several times in the past and that might very well be it, I did remember a Ferrari or some other sports car, but all this time I remembered the car as being black

IDK

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I had mentioned a video from that time period several times in the past and that might very well be it, I did remember a Ferrari or some other sports car, but all this time I remembered the car as being black

IDK

Maybe you were thinking of this one:

Or this silver one:

 

[chilly]

Maybe you were thinking of this one:

Or this silver one:

No, it’s not those but thanks for digging them up

I’m almost certain it was a black car and they were in a big garage that wasn’t very well lit

The car was honestly dirty and it made a real impression on me

Don’t worry about trying to find it because it isn’t that big a deal


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[Bunky]

I thought Autogeek sold a 4 in 1 product(rinseless, clay lube, etc) back when ONR came out. I was told Meguiars sold Trigger Wash before 2007,

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Trigger Wash was a waterless wash, wasn't it? I don't remember that AG product, Bunky. I didn't try ONR until the second version, because I was using up my QEW.

 

[Hobbit]

Has anyone tried foam NR? I'm thinking about trying a bottle.

 

[Bunky]

Trigger Wash was a waterless wash, wasn't it? I don't remember that AG product, Bunky. I didn't try ONR until the second version, because I was using up my QEW.

Yes, it was a waterless wash.

 

[BLM]

A little more trial and error. Today I did a rinseless wash on my Tacoma and the wife's CRV. I used the ONR Hyper Foam at the standard 256:1. I used that mix for the presoak with my non foaming IK Multi Pro 12 and the same mix in the bucket.

The results were pretty good. The presoak did not foam and neither did the mix in the bucket. Although there was no foam the mix in the bucket did have some minor suds when washing with a sponge. Which may clean a little better than blue ONR. The vehicles were not super dirty and this sample size was not large enough to draw any conclusions. But I was satisfied with the results.

So not sure where to go with the Hyper Foam from here unless I want to try a foaming presoak.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I got my 8oz bottle of FoamNR today, along with an IK Foam Pro 2+, so I had to give them a quick try. This was a very unscientific test mostly comparing the IK to my cheap pump-up sprayer, and little FoamNR dilution experimentation.

I mixed up a quart of FoamNR at 1:128 (1/4 oz to 32 oz), and poured half into my new IK (with the factory installed medium foam insert), and half into my old pump-up sprayer (just to make this more unscientific there was about 6-8oz of Ech2O in the bottom, which was probably at 1:128).

I foamed my back bumper which had a little rain dirt (sorry, no pictures), left side with the IK, right side with other sprayer, middle as a control. I have never had a foamer (other than a Gilmour hose-end foam gun), so I thought the IK foam was pretty good, it did seem to be pulsing as I sprayed, which was odd. There was no discernable foam from the other sprayer. I let everything drip off and dry, and looked at the surfaces. They were cleaner, but not clean.

I then added another 1/4 oz of FoamNR to each sprayer, so that put the dilution at something a bit stronger than 1:64, or about 1/4 what Optimum recommends. I guess the foam was a little thicker from the IK, still no foam from the other sprayer. After runoff, the old sprayer side seemed a little cleaner, but after I ran an errand and everything was dried off, it was kind of a tossup. There was some residue where the foam from the IK dried.

I was hoping the extended dwell time from the foam would do more to break up the dirt, but didn't seem to hold true, and it seemed as if the added energy of the non-foam runoff may carry off more particles, potentially. So my conclusion so far, no magic here, no clear case for foam helping as a rinseless pre-spray, at least with this product.

Is FoamNR any better as a pre-spray than any other RW? Dunno. A few months ago I was considering trying Labo's Preludio. I suppose I could go a little higher on the concentration on the FoamNR, not sure it would work any better as a pre-spray, and there is the concern as voiced earlier in the thread about having too much foam to RW off.

 

[BLM]

Is FoamNR any better as a pre-spray than any other RW? Dunno.

With my brief experience with the ONR Hyper Foam I have hopes that it is a better cleaner than blue ONR.
Depending on how dirty my vehicle may be if it is dirty enough to require the presoak to do some cleaning then I would use some other products I already have that are much better at doing a preclean.

So at that point I am going to have to get out my hose to rinse off the foamed on preclean that I chose. So after a rinse with a hose it's a toss up whether to do a rinseless wash or just do a 2 bucket non rinseless shampoo wash.
One thing I like about doing rinseless is even with a rinseless presoak, which I allways presoak with rinseless when doing a rinseless wash, there is a lot less liquid on the paint. Therefore the paint doesn't require a blower to remove all the liquid. With rinseless I can dry the just washed paint with my PFM towels and all I need a blower for is wheels,tires,moldings,etc. Which my compact Ryobi blower can handle that. If I'm blowing off the entire vehicle I need to get out my larger, more powerful, corded blower.

So I guess I'm saying I don't have high hopes for the presoak cleaning ability of ONR Hyper Foam.

 

[Hobbit]

I got my 8oz bottle of FoamNR today, along with an IK Foam Pro 2+, so I had to give them a quick try. This was a very unscientific test mostly comparing the IK to my cheap pump-up sprayer, and little FoamNR dilution experimentation.

I mixed up a quart of FoamNR at 1:128 (1/4 oz to 32 oz), and poured half into my new IK (with the factory installed medium foam insert), and half into my old pump-up sprayer (just to make this more unscientific there was about 6-8oz of Ech2O in the bottom, which was probably at 1:128).

I foamed my back bumper which had a little rain dirt (sorry, no pictures), left side with the IK, right side with other sprayer, middle as a control. I have never had a foamer (other than a Gilmour hose-end foam gun), so I thought the IK foam was pretty good, it did seem to be pulsing as I sprayed, which was odd. There was no discernable foam from the other sprayer. I let everything drip off and dry, and looked at the surfaces. They were cleaner, but not clean.

I then added another 1/4 oz of FoamNR to each sprayer, so that put the dilution at something a bit stronger than 1:64, or about 1/4 what Optimum recommends. I guess the foam was a little thicker from the IK, still no foam from the other sprayer. After runoff, the old sprayer side seemed a little cleaner, but after I ran an errand and everything was dried off, it was kind of a tossup. There was some residue where the foam from the IK dried.

I was hoping the extended dwell time from the foam would do more to break up the dirt, but didn't seem to hold true, and it seemed as if the added energy of the non-foam runoff may carry off more particles, potentially. So my conclusion so far, no magic here, no clear case for foam helping as a rinseless pre-spray, at least with this product.

Is FoamNR any better as a pre-spray than any other RW? Dunno. A few months ago I was considering trying Labo's Preludio. I suppose I could go a little higher on the concentration on the FoamNR, not sure it would work any better as a pre-spray, and there is the concern as voiced earlier in the thread about having too much foam to RW off.

Interesting.

On relatively side note:; Labocosmetica Idrosave is impressive - it leaves very stout protection, over a month no problem. I've played with Alkaline preludio just around the house cut 1:10 and it can clean. I will be trying it on my car soon. Smells fantastic! Big Labo fan.

 

[Klasse Act]

Interesting.

On relatively side note:; Labocosmetica Idrosave is impressive. I've played with Alkaline preludio just around the house cut 1:10 and it can clean. I will be trying it on my car soon. Smells fantastic! Big Labo fan.

Idrosave is a truely outstanding product

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[Coatingsarecrack]

Interesting.

On relatively side note:; Labocosmetica Idrosave is impressive - it leaves very stout protection, over a month no problem. I've played with Alkaline preludio just around the house cut 1:10 and it can clean. I will be trying it on my car soon. Smells fantastic! Big Labo fan.

The Preludio acidic and alkaline are nice for a pre spray but nothing like purifica and Primus. Also per Labo they are not like a pretreat for whole car which is what I was hoping for, too expensive for that.

And yes Idrosave is a nice product. In my top 2 rinsless’s right now.


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[Setec Astronomy]

The Preludio acidic and alkaline are nice for a pre spray but nothing like purifica and Primus. Also per Labo they are not like a pretreat for whole car which is what I was hoping for, too expensive for that.

If I ever try Preludio, I would start with a much more diluted mix for a pre-spray. I mean when we use rinseless washes as pre-spray, most of us use them at the standard dilution, or maybe twice the concentration (1:256 or 1:128).

Thinking about my FoamNR results from yesterday, again, I wasn't doing a side-by-side with any other products, but it certainly did an adequate job for what I would be looking for as a pre-spray before a rinseless wash. Whether it's worth having, meaning did it do a better job at that than regular ONR, etc., I don't know. Honestly I don't think I've ever looked that closely, because of course usually I'm pre-spraying and then moving on to the wash. I've never been a big presprayer, anyway, but I seem to be changing my ways.

 

[CleanIT]

The Preludio acidic and alkaline are nice for a pre spray but nothing like purifica and Primus. Also per Labo they are not like a pretreat for whole car which is what I was hoping for, too expensive for that.

And yes Idrosave is a nice product. In my top 2 rinsless’s right now.


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I really liked Primus 2.0. I believe the pH is 10 right out of the bottle. Worked well as a pre-wash and soap.

I have not tried Idrosave. Was going to get it but read about some streaking issues and polymer staining?