Pan the Organizer product line...let's discuss@

[BadgerRivFan]

I’ll say it is interesting how social media content creators (influencers, YouTuber’s, et al) have been able to monetize their “fame” by creating and selling products due to the success of others. Forum members here at least recognize this and can make their own choices on whether they want to participate in the shilling that is now rampant online. I am an audiophile and have interest in the portable audio hobby. It is the same and perhaps worse over there.

Another trend that is troubling to me is brands over packaging their products to create an “unboxing experience” for the consumer. Fancy plastic bottles, labeling, and unnecessary packaging are all used as a means to charge a premium price. Not to single out any manufacturer in particular, but Gyeon is guilty of this in my view. There are many others. This has nothing to do with the products performance (and in the case of Gyeon many of their products are very good) but is simply a means to increase margins and profitability. It’s car wash soap (or a coating, or tar remover, or a towel) for god’s sake, not a Rolex watch. I don’t need an unboxing experience for my car detailing chemicals and tools. Just my 2¢.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Not defending the price, it's certainly not a value proposition, but you know that they are not the same product, right? Hyper Dressing is obviously made by Meguiar's, in turn owned by 3M. OG TD is made by B&B Blending and has Si02 in the formula, the color is coincidental and done by B&B not OG. If it were a rip off, why does he also carry Hyper Dressing?

He still carries Hyper Dressing? I wasn’t aware of that. I guess rip off seems like the exact same product which obviously that wouldn’t be happening because no ones actually going to do that and get sued, I just meant that it looks and appears to work very similarly even down to its description.

Btw I did read the description prior to posting and there’s no mention of it containing sio2.

 

[Bill D]

I’m a watch guy so I understand what you mean about the packaging of Rolex, brands like Audemars Piguet and Patek Philippe have even more elaborate boxes. Indeed all of this fanciness is reflected in their price

 

[Eldorado2k]

I am an audiophile and have interest in the portable audio hobby. It is the same and perhaps worse over there.

Another trend that is troubling to me is brands over packaging their products to create an “unboxing experience” for the consumer. Fancy plastic bottles, labeling, and unnecessary packaging are all used as a means to charge a premium price. Not to single out any manufacturer in particular, but Gyeon is guilty of this in my view. There are many others. This has nothing to do with the products performance (and in the case of Gyeon many of their products are very good) but is simply a means to increase margins and profitability. It’s car wash soap (or a coating, or tar remover, or a towel) for god’s sake, not a Rolex watch. I don’t need an unboxing experience for my car detailing chemicals and tools. Just my 2¢.

Yup, you’re right about that. I’ve had my Beats earbuds for almost a year now and up until a couple of weeks ago I still had the little box they came in sitting on top of my dresser because it’s just too nice feeling to toss away… Funny thing is I finally did clear a bunch of things out and I can’t even find it right now!

But I swear I kept it around for almost a year because it feels like a substantial little box that could maybe be repurposed somehow.

Edit: I found it.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

He still carries Hyper Dressing? I wasn’t aware of that. I guess rip off seems like the exact same product which obviously that wouldn’t be happening because no ones actually going to do that and get sued, I just meant that it looks and appears to work very similarly even down to its description.

Btw I did read the description prior to posting and there’s no mention of it containing sio2.

Why would he get sued? If it was exactly Hyper Dressing, Meguiar's would be making it for him. If it's basically an identical product made by someone else, there would be no basis for a suit, because Hyper Dressing is not patented (that I'm aware of), and besides, it's just a PDMS dressing that people have been making/selling for 50 years.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Why would he get sued? If it was exactly Hyper Dressing, Meguiar's would be making it for him. If it's basically an identical product made by someone else, there would be no basis for a suit, because Hyper Dressing is not patented (that I'm aware of), and besides, it's just a PDMS dressing that people have been making/selling for 50 years.

Wouldn’t there be something wrong if someone were re labeling Meguiars Hyper Dressing and selling it as their own product i.e. Obsessed Garage Tire Dressing?

 

[Bill D]

I think it’s wrong but it seems like that’s happened before and probably will happen again

 

[Eldorado2k]

I think it’s wrong but it seems like that’s happened before and probably will happen again

So I can buy some/a bunch of Gyeon Cancoat, scrape off the label, and print up some labels that say “Eldos Cancoat” and sell and ship online for double the price? Really? I dunno about that…

 

[Bill D]

I was once told by David B that Sonus Total Eclipse was rebranded 303. When I used the two,yep, seem identical. Some sneaky moves happen in selling products

 

[Eldorado2k]

I was once told by David B that Sonus Total Eclipse was rebranded 303. When I used the two,yep, seem identical. Some sneaky moves happen in selling products

…But what about the “trade secrets”?

If you were to steal my brands Trade Secrets you better believe there’s gonna be some problems arising. Lol.

 

[Bill D]

I’m fairly certain that’s a big enough concern that there are lawyers who specialize in that. Luckily, with the kinds of products I focus on in work, there aren’t many issues that happen often,but if they do,yes,they can become ugly.

 

[Klasse Act]

So I can buy some/a bunch of Gyeon Cancoat, scrape off the label, and print up some labels that say “Eldos Cancoat” and sell and ship online for double the price? Really? I dunno about that…

I'm only buying it if you say it's the best in the world

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[Setec Astronomy]

So I can buy some/a bunch of Gyeon Cancoat, scrape off the label, and print up some labels that say “Eldos Cancoat” and sell and ship online for double the price? Really? I dunno about that…

…But what about the “trade secrets”?

If you were to steal my brands Trade Secrets you better believe there’s gonna be some problems arising. Lol.

First of all, the most likely scenario for someone selling something "just like Hyper Dressing" is for that someone to approach Meguiar's and say "I'd like to get a private-labeled version of Hyper Dressing". If Meguiar's doesn't do that, I don't see who is being harmed if you buy Hyper Dressing by the 55-gallon drum, siphon it out into "Eldo's Dressing" bottles and sell it for the same price as RTU Hyper Dressing, or even more. Where is the harm? Meguiar's sold the product. It's not like you peed in a bottle and tried to sell it as Meguiar's Hyper Dressing, that they might sue you for.

I mean people like Keebler's cookies, there's nothing illegal about me trying to bake a cookie I think tastes as close as I can get it to a Keebler's, and selling if for more, as long as I don't call it Keebler's and have elves on the package.

 

[BLM]

IAnother trend that is troubling to me is brands over packaging their products to create an “unboxing experience” for the consumer. Fancy plastic bottles, labeling, and unnecessary packaging are all used as a means to charge a premium price.

Totally agree. I couldn't give a rats behind what the bottle/label/etc looks like. As far as that goes I buy most of my products by the gallon so they are transferred into not descript smaller bottles anyway.
Another aspect that is way overblown is what a product smells like. Once the product is dilluted with water the smell is not noticeable, At least by me anyway. I am not in the habit of intentionally huffing my products. So if a product is made to smell like "wild strawberries" that effort is wasted on me.
Tons of hype in the car care products industry. I don't blame these product sellers for amping up the hype. They are attempting to sell products at least to those that are taken in by the hype.

 

[Eldorado2k]

First of all, the most likely scenario for someone selling something "just like Hyper Dressing" is for that someone to approach Meguiar's and say "I'd like to get a private-labeled version of Hyper Dressing". If Meguiar's doesn't do that, I don't see who is being harmed if you buy Hyper Dressing by the 55-gallon drum, siphon it out into "Eldo's Dressing" bottles and sell it for the same price as RTU Hyper Dressing, or even more. Where is the harm? Meguiar's sold the product. It's not like you peed in a bottle and tried to sell it as Meguiar's Hyper Dressing, that they might sue you for.

I mean people like Keebler's cookies, there's nothing illegal about me trying to bake a cookie I think tastes as close as I can get it to a Keebler's, and selling if for more, as long as I don't call it Keebler's and have elves on the package.

You just described 2 completely different deals though…

1st you said there’s nothing wrong with siphoning Hyper Dressing and putting it into different bottles labeled new dressing.

The other example you gave was “trying” to bake a cookie as close to Keeblers as you can…

That’s a whole nother story there. You’re actually baking your own cookie from scratch even though you’re trying to imitate Keeblers it’s still your original blend similar to Kroger selling Kroger chips that look & taste similar to Doritos or soup thats the same flavor as Cambells soup.

But if Kroger were to be literally relabeling cans of Progresso & Cambells and putting it on their shelves with Kroger labels I don’t think they’d be able to get away with that.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

But if Kroger were to be literally relabeling cans of Progresso & Cambells and putting it on their shelves with Kroger labels I don’t think they’d be able to get away with that.

I'm not sure that would be illegal, it just probably wouldn't make a lot of business sense, because you've have to buy the name-brand soup, and then relabel it, which costs money, so why would you do that instead of just selling it as-is? But they wouldn't bother relabeling, because if they wanted to do that, they'd approach Progresso or Campbell's and say "we'd like to have a Kroger brand of soup; will you private label it for us?" And if they wouldn't, then Kroger might go to another soup company, that doesn't have their own brand, and then you would have Kroger soup.

To put it back into the context of this thread. I'm a detailer or a YouTuber. I want to have my own brand. I want a dressing. I like Hyper Dressing. I go to Meguiar's and say "I'd like to sell Hyper Dressing under my own label". I imagine there are 3 possible responses, not really knowing what Meg's does in these situations: 1) Sorry, we don't private label our products 2) Sure, we can do that 3) Sure we can do that, but we have a minimum order of 330 gallons to do that.

Let's say your answer is wow, 330 gallons is too much, can't I get just 55 gallons? And maybe their answer is, sure you can buy a 55 gallon drum, but then the bottling/labeling will be your responsibility. And maybe you have to sign something that says you are doing that, so any liability transfers to you.

But let's say the answer is 1). Then maybe you'd go to B&B, who was mentioned in this thread, and say "I want to have my own brand dressing and I'd like it to be just like Hyper Dressing". Their answer might be, sure, we can do that, but you have to buy 330 gallons for us to mix that up special. And you say "wow, that's too much, can't I just get 55 gallons?" To which they might answer, no, but we have our standard dressing on the shelf, send us the graphics you want and we'll print and label the bottles tomorrow, 55 gallons worth.

You can go right here and start your own line, and be just like Pan and EC and Jimbo (whoever he is): https://www.bbblending.com/?gad_sou...MI5Nn1yoPmiAMVA0hHAR1P8TVDEAAYASAAEgLT-fD_BwE

 

[Klasse Act]

If I had to guess, the 3 people in the group Pan's with are going to the same "chemist", wonder where they'll be come spring 2025

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[Setec Astronomy]

I'm sure they'll be right where they are now in the spring, I think there's plenty of market for them, even if they have rubbed most of us here the wrong way.
That Detail Co. rinseless is cheap, I might try it some day if I can ever use up what I have, and of course I want to try Gyeon Eco Wash first because someone on here keeps saying it's the "GOAT"

 

[Klasse Act]

I'm sure they'll be right where they are now in the spring, I think there's plenty of market for them, even if they have rubbed most of us here the wrong way.
That Detail Co. rinseless is cheap, I might try it some day if I can ever use up what I have, and of course I want to try Gyeon Eco Wash first because someone on here keeps saying it's the "GOAT"

Ummm....

I'd surely hope you'd try Gyeon Q2 ECO wash before Detail Co, price be damned

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[BLM]

I briefly tuned into one of Pans post launch videos and it was all about how well the product was doing. Based on reading several of the comments he is getting plenty of support from his You Tube followers. So as the product is only a few weeks launched his followers are the ones most likely buying his products. It would take time for non followers to even be aware the "Clean" products exist. It is not like the products are being advertised anywhere except You Tube.