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Klasse Act said:
Well said Deyon️

I'm certainly one of those who uses the 2BM method after using a foam cannon, foam gun and/or my IK Foam Pro 12 and for me it's just safety and the process, I believe in both. I see why you or others find it unnecessary but even a good pre-wash doesn't remove 100%, the 2BM makes that possible but again that's just me

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You are dealing with far more on the roads than me, so I totally understand your method.

In my case, depending on how dirty the car is -

Mild - Rinse, foam, contact wash using one bucket to rinse the media between sections.

Mild to Heavy - Foam car from dry and allow to dwell, rinse, foam again and contact wash using one bucket to rinse the media between sections.

In both cases, I still think this is just as safe as a two-bucket wash. Applying the soap directly to the surface means full lubrication and cleaning ability without having to rely on a soap bucket to deliver that. It also means not filling, lugging and emptying a second bucket.
 
SheepStar said:
These channels cannot claim to be unbiased and objective when they have monetary incentives coming from the products they feature. They can have their channels, they can have their store, they can sell whatever brands they want.
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This marketing technique is all over social media and much is driven by an agenda (hype, cash in on subject). I knew someone job was to write articles on various subjects with the intent of mentioning a specific brand in the article as part of a brand recognition campaign.

When the first words of a video are "please subscribe and like" and "support our links in comments" we can tell why the video was created. It is more than just sharing.

The question is if there are great products out there that are not getting hyped enough to get attention of the algorithms.
 
opie2 said:
Ive missed alot here it seems. Are you saying ads uses a blender? And is basically the same as different brands? I thought they made their own stuff excemp coatings?

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A few posts above mine had some of the missed details possibly. I'm the last one to dig into blenders and such specifics - as an example, I'm sure I probably have a few products in my basement that are the same thing only with different labels on them. In fact, due to the arctic temps, I did some cleaning up this weekend and definitely demotivated myself for buying new products. I've got a lot to use.

After being in some social media groups and seeing this tangled web of an industry, I'm certain I don't want to dig much into blenders, chemists, who does what, YT, etc.

I'll stick to buy, apply, move on.

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Klasse Act said:
You've got a business, right? If so, I get it but for a bunch of us it's borderline entertainment and informative, speaking for myself for sure here

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Yes. I've made my living doing this for over 40 years 🏆
At this point the only thing I find entertaining about it is coming onto forums and facebook groups trying to educate those that are just getting started or considering a career detailing cars
I have no time to watch videos of some knuckle dragging Neanderthal trying to convince me to purchase their useless (and overpriced) products
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Yeah they speak to formulating their own chemicals. So the supposedly have formulas made to their specs. Not a normal white label where there just reselling whatever a blender is making.

Gotta be pretty big to make own chemicals.

Back in the days use to be a theory that CarPros, Gyeon and Tac Systems shared blenders. Gyeon even offers white labeling manufacturing….


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Interesting. Id like to find more information on or that "list" persay of who all is made by who, whos product is the same as another. Would save money as far as trying products goes.

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Flash Gordon said:
Yes. I've made my living doing this for over 40 years
At this point the only thing I find entertaining about it is coming onto forums and facebook groups trying to educate those that are just getting started or considering a career detailing cars
I have no time to watch videos of some knuckle dragging Neanderthal trying to convince me to purchase their useless (and overpriced) products
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Congrats for being so committed for so long at this

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opie2 said:
That sucks if its true. Might be time to find another brand to use.
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Of course it's true, the two partners of ADS run detail shops, not chemical manufacturing companies.

This is the private labeling portion of what used to be Four Star/Premium Finish Care: https://thelabzone.com/

If you look at the pictures you'll see a fairly small chemical manufacturing operation, you didn't think that Bradley or DJ have something like this in the back of their little detail shops, did you? Here's another, much larger operation, InstaFinish is a brand of Warner Chemical: https://instafinish.com/private-labeling/

But the fact that ADS is using a blender, doesn't mean that their product is "the same" as someone else's product. They may have their own chemist and their own proprietary formulas, and even if they use the blender's chemists, that doesn't mean they don't have unique formulations.

The other thing to be cognizant of is that a brand likely doesn't source all their products from the same blender. I'm sure there are blenders that specialize in coatings, for instance, since that would seem to be a specialty that might be distinct from more mundane chemistries like APC's and tire dressings.
 
opie2 said:
Ive missed alot here it seems. Are you saying ads uses a blender? And is basically the same as different brands? I thought they made their own stuff excemp coatings?

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I was told that ADS ceramics come from Asia and all other products use USA raw materials.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
This is the private labeling portion of what used to be Four Star/Premium Finish Care: https://thelabzone.com/

If you look at the pictures you'll see a fairly small chemical manufacturing operation, you didn't think that Bradley or DJ have something like this in the back of their little detail shops, did you? Here's another, much larger operation, InstaFinish is a brand of Warner Chemical: https://instafinish.com/private-labeling/

But the fact that ADS is using a blender, doesn't mean that their product is "the same" as someone else's product. They may have their own chemist and their own proprietary formulas, and even if they use the blender's chemists, that doesn't mean they don't have unique formulations.

The other thing to be cognizant of is that a brand likely doesn't source all their products from the same blender. I'm sure there are blenders that specialize in coatings, for instance, since that would seem to be a specialty that might be distinct from more mundane chemistries like APC's and tire dressings.
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I've been wondering who ADS uses for actually do the formulating/chemistry side.
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CleanIT said:
I've been wondering who ADS uses for actually do the formulating/chemistry side.
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Does that matter? When these discussions come up, I always use the supermarket analogy. If you are buying canned peas, and you buy the store brand...of course the supermarket chain doesn't have their own pea farm. So what's in the can of store-brand peas, is Green Giant "making" it for them? (Green Giant likely doesn't grow their own peas, either, they contract with farmers to comply with their requirements) So, is the store brand exactly the same as Green Giant? Or is it Green Giant reject peas? Or is it another name brand, or does it come from a small pea-packaging operation? You'll never know, and never be able to find out, so you have to try it and see if it meets your price/performance criteria...just like detailing products.

I have to say, back when David B owned Autopia Car Care, he was pretty transparent about the fact he wasn't a "manufacturer"; that he was developing and specifying products that were made for him by other people. He made a big deal about how his Sonus leather products were made by Dr. Tork (whoever that was), and that he worked/partnered with Rick Vaal at PFC to develop the Ultima line. Poorboy Steve was also pretty transparent about this kind of relationship, at least back some years ago when he got some bad press...that was a long, long time ago, late 00's.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Of course it's true, the two partners of ADS run detail shops, not chemical manufacturing companies.

This is the private labeling portion of what used to be Four Star/Premium Finish Care: https://thelabzone.com/

If you look at the pictures you'll see a fairly small chemical manufacturing operation, you didn't think that Bradley or DJ have something like this in the back of their little detail shops, did you? Here's another, much larger operation, InstaFinish is a brand of Warner Chemical: https://instafinish.com/private-labeling/

But the fact that ADS is using a blender, doesn't mean that their product is "the same" as someone else's product. They may have their own chemist and their own proprietary formulas, and even if they use the blender's chemists, that doesn't mean they don't have unique formulations.

The other thing to be cognizant of is that a brand likely doesn't source all their products from the same blender. I'm sure there are blenders that specialize in coatings, for instance, since that would seem to be a specialty that might be distinct from more mundane chemistries like APC's and tire dressings.
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This^^^


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DFB said:
Not singling anyone out here, more to set the record -

I first learned about ADS BEFORE the brand started to blow up on social media (Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Podcasts ect). The first product I became aware of was their Wheel Coating, which was being sampled by another Youtuber that doesn't do product reviews or expect a gravy train of products being sent to him for free. If he likes the product, he says so. If he hates it, he says so. At the time, I was looking for a wheel coating that didn't need toppers to be slick, say Carpro DLUX topped with Gliss.................I wanted a single layer coating. After seeing it get positive feedback, I imported a bottle into Australia, paying the typical high shipping costs to do so.

That coating turned out to be an absolute bombshell product, I couldn't be happier with how it performs. THIS is when I started to take notice of the wider product line. By the time ADS started distribution in Australia, the brand was well into its blow-up phase. Other than the products being well received and the occasional Mike G review, I hadn't been influenced by others. Sure, Amplify had been getting a lot of the spot light, but after using the whole lineup, which was paid by me, each product instantly impressed. I've said this before, often a brand will nail a few products here and there in the lineup, not across the range like ADS have done.

I get NO financial gains by saying I like these ADS products, I'm not trying to sell these products or create drama. I just like using them. A good product is a good product.



My environment is indeed completely different to some parts of the US. I will say, I've noticed what works in the USA seems to work just as well in Australia too. But I do concede environmental differences exist. Just about every product I have used that was made for the UK market has been completely disappointing. They just don't work for me, or others in this country.

My drying aid method centers around two concepts..............................used for drying and as a topper. I'm just too particular to not use something when mopping up the remaining 2% of water left after using a leaf blower. But that's just my particular method, one that I've seen others use as well. I also find it perplexing how people still use the 2-bucket method when they have access to a foam cannon. Why have a soap bucket when you have applied soap to the entire vehicle with the cannon, all you need is the rinse bucket. But again, that's just my method that has evolved over many years. In both cases, those methods have been adopted by me after taking on different opinions and experiences.
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Just to be clear I’m wasn’t calling you out or trying to be disparaging in any way. Just making a point. I do appreciate you and your reviews.


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Setec Astronomy said:
Of course it's true, the two partners of ADS run detail shops, not chemical manufacturing companies.

This is the private labeling portion of what used to be Four Star/Premium Finish Care: https://thelabzone.com/

If you look at the pictures you'll see a fairly small chemical manufacturing operation, you didn't think that Bradley or DJ have something like this in the back of their little detail shops, did you? Here's another, much larger operation, InstaFinish is a brand of Warner Chemical: https://instafinish.com/private-labeling/

But the fact that ADS is using a blender, doesn't mean that their product is "the same" as someone else's product. They may have their own chemist and their own proprietary formulas, and even if they use the blender's chemists, that doesn't mean they don't have unique formulations.

The other thing to be cognizant of is that a brand likely doesn't source all their products from the same blender. I'm sure there are blenders that specialize in coatings, for instance, since that would seem to be a specialty that might be distinct from more mundane chemistries like APC's and tire dressings.
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No i didnt think they had a chem shop.

My point of concern is that its theirs and not a variation of another brand's product. If it is thiers then cool, i keep using.

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opie2 said:
No i didnt think they had a chem shop.

My point of concern is that its theirs and not a variation of another brand's product. If it is thiers then cool, i keep using.
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I don't think anyone has suggested that their coatings etc. are very similar to others. The only thing I have said is that their tire coating (Ghost) doesn't seem to be much different from the other acrylic coatings out there--but of course I haven't used it. I did buy a bottle during Black Friday sales, so one of these years I will get around to trying it. I still have 3/4 of my quart of tire coating, Optimum Gelcoat Restorer....er, I mean Optimum Tire Protection & Coating (don't tell anyone the Gelcoat Restorer is the same thing, not that it matters because they are the same price).
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Does that matter? When these discussions come up, I always use the supermarket analogy. If you are buying canned peas, and you buy the store brand...of course the supermarket chain doesn't have their own pea farm. So what's in the can of store-brand peas, is Green Giant "making" it for them? (Green Giant likely doesn't grow their own peas, either, they contract with farmers to comply with their requirements) So, is the store brand exactly the same as Green Giant? Or is it Green Giant reject peas? Or is it another name brand, or does it come from a small pea-packaging operation? You'll never know, and never be able to find out, so you have to try it and see if it meets your price/performance criteria...just like detailing products.

I have to say, back when David B owned Autopia Car Care, he was pretty transparent about the fact he wasn't a "manufacturer"; that he was developing and specifying products that were made for him by other people. He made a big deal about how his Sonus leather products were made by Dr. Tork (whoever that was), and that he worked/partnered with Rick Vaal at PFC to develop the Ultima line. Poorboy Steve was also pretty transparent about this kind of relationship, at least back some years ago when he got some bad press...that was a long, long time ago, late 00's.
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Personally, yes i would like to know generally. This goes for everything, not just detailing products, ecepecially really maters for food/suppliments(anything that i may ingest. So when i buy a certain brand of a product, for the most part i like to atleast know a little about them, what they stand for, whats in it, and so on and so forth. If certain brand has another company or a man behind the scenes making the product for them, well i want to know, what are their values? Are they an honest man or a shister?I dont want to be supporting a pretty store front but a piece of crap behind it all.

Now at a certain point you have to draw the line, its not feasable to think this was about every single thing you purchase. But i will make a good effort to do so.

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