Questions about the Tornador Black and Air Foamer

I'm guessing this would only be good at home or shop since its 230 volt right?
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Exactly. Which is an issue when at times I do go mobile. I could not imagine going to the customer and asking where is their 220 outlet.
 
Stephan said:
Exactly. Which is an issue when at times I do go mobile. I could not imagine going to the customer and asking where is their 220 outlet.
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Yeah i couldn't see doing that too. I also wouldn't want a loud gas compressor running either, so the fact that it sucks up that much CFM kinda puts it out for a mobile detailer unless you can get a big tank in a trailer...just not sure its worth it
 
Since this thread is older I sure hope you guys have gotten the right info on this. AG is wrong about the 9.5 CFMs required for the BLACK model. The black model uses LESS air and is engineered for MOBILE use. IF you find the actual tornador site it clearly says 4.5 cfm at 90 psi is the ideal setting for this tool.

If you want to just hold the trigger down forever then you want a 10 gallon tank or more. I have a 5cfm at 90psi 15 gal tanks. Its more than enough.
 
Kris R said:
Since this thread is older I sure hope you guys have gotten the right info on this. AG is wrong about the 9.5 CFMs required for the BLACK model. The black model uses LESS air and is engineered for MOBILE use. IF you find the actual tornador site it clearly says 4.5 cfm at 90 psi is the ideal setting for this tool.
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Kris,
Do you have a link to the Tornador site? I did a google search and couldn't find anything. I went to the site that is at the end of the video on AG's site (tornador-gun.de), which list the same requirements as AG lists (9.5 CFM, and roughly a 13-gallon tank IIRC). That was a couple of weeks ago, haven' checked if anything has been updated.

Interested in getting this gun, have a 4 gallon compressor that puts out 6 CFM at 90 psi. Would probably get a small add on tank (10 gallon) if I found air quantity to be an issue after purchase.

Thanks,
Neil
 
rockford33 said:
Kris,
Do you have a link to the Tornador site? I did a google search and couldn't find anything. I went to the site that is at the end of the video on AG's site (tornador-gun.de), which list the same requirements as AG lists (9.5 CFM, and roughly a 13-gallon tank IIRC). That was a couple of weeks ago, haven' checked if anything has been updated.

Interested in getting this gun, have a 4 gallon compressor that puts out 6 CFM at 90 psi. Would probably get a small add on tank (10 gallon) if I found air quantity to be an issue after purchase.

Thanks,
Neil
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I'll do you one better. Here's a photo of the instructions in the box. I dont care what AG says they are wrong and needs to fix their site because I'm sure it's costing them money.
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Kris R said:
I'll do you one better. Here's a photo of the instructions in the box. I dont care what AG says they are wrong and needs to fix their site because I'm sure it's costing them money.
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So what did the old Tornador require? Thats crazy, i know one big reason i wasn't gonna get one is cause of the high air requirements...
 
Jeez, we need a Tornador rep to come on AG and straighten this up once and for all. I have been researching the Black one for a while and can't get a straight answer what the cfm requierments are. Some say its 9 cfm in metric which converts to 5. something in american cfm. In the video it says its redesigned for mobile detailiers to be used with a smaller compressor but doesn't state how small or what constatues a small compressor.

I really would love to buy it, especially if its on sale this weekend, but don't see the point if I have the original version which requires a lot of air on its own to work properly. I have a 6 gal craftsman and a 50 gal porter cable and there is a huge difference in how the tools works depending on the compressor. With the 50 gal it still makes the compressor run all the time.

Kris has been the only person with solid proof in what is needed but still I can't see in the picture the CFM requirements which is more important than the size compressor/tank. You gotta have the CFM output in order to run the tool, the tank size is nice so it doesn't have to run all the time, but if it's not putting out the CFM, it doesn't matter how big the tank is.
 
The tornador black website list 270 liters per minute or about 9.5cfm. The tech info on their site states that the black requires less air pressure than the classic, not less airflow. I did order one, so I'll see if it will run on my small compressor. I would think that something that is just blowing air would have a pretty high demand. The site does state that the unit was designed for "smaller" compressors, haha, 10cfm isn't a small compressor.


http://www.tornador-black.de/grafiken/Tornador BLACK englisch.pdf
 
Are you guys serious? Let's do a little common sense. Tons of people have the old tornado that requires more air rights? The shortened stem in the funnel along with the ball bearing set up is the reason it requires less air. Now, "designed for a smaller portable compressor." obviously we're not talking pancake nailers but when's the last time you saw a 10cfm compressor that was portable? I'll let you know with videos on Wednesday when my compressor gets here. I've already talked to 3 people that have it and was told it runs fine on at least a 10gal tank and at least 5 Cfms.
 
I was just going off what this guy said. :dunno:

steved said:
The tornador black website list 270 liters per minute or about 9.5cfm. The tech info on their site states that the black requires less air pressure than the classic, not less airflow. I did order one, so I'll see if it will run on my small compressor. I would think that something that is just blowing air would have a pretty high demand. The site does state that the unit was designed for "smaller" compressors, haha, 10cfm isn't a small compressor.


http://www.tornador-black.de/grafiken/Tornador BLACK englisch.pdf
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Just read somewhere else that 4 CFM is 113 LPM. If you double that, 8 CFM is 226 LPM. So, it makes sense that 9.5 CFM is around 270 LPM, which is required for the BLACK. That's ridiculous such a small tool requires that much CFM.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Just read somewhere else that 4 CFM is 113 LPM. If you double that, 8 CFM is 226 LPM. So, it makes sense that 9.5 CFM is around 270 LPM, which is required for the BLACK. That's ridiculous such a small tool requires that much CFM.
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I agree. SOMETHING has gotten lost in translation. A compressor that is any kind of portable that puts that out is in the thousands of dollars. And I don't think even big power hungry pneumatic tools require that much. I know some do but not this little thing.
 
Also that PDF said "with a reservoir as little as 50L. 50 = 13.209Gal. The guy at AG I spoke to said it runs just fine off of a 10GAL compressor with as little as 4.5-5 CFM. From what TB is advertising that seems about right. They must have their dutch to english and math messed up.
 
Sorry I couldn't help it.

The tornador black will work fine with any compressor that has a storage tank, you will just be limited on the amount of time you can use it continuously with a lower output compressor. It would take a 9.5cfm to feed the tool for continuous always on use. I would say that a compressor half that size would provide more than enough capacity to use the tool to its potential.
 
DealerDetailer said:


I use my Tornado Black both at home and at the dealership. The dealership uses a massive air compressor (I don't know its specs) at home I use a small 5gallon unit with the Tornado Black and see NO difference in performance from moving between the two. With the 5 gallon at home I gets 3.5 SCFM at 90psi, if I remember correct. I can normally do what I need to do on the exterior and interior of the car with the compressor turning on 2 or 3 times max during the process.

CLEANGENE says:

Mobile Detail, I wanted to add the tornado to my mobile setup and had to get a little creative. I have a 3 gallon 2.6 scfm @ 90 psi compressor; however, I added a 7 gallon accumulator tank for a total of 10 gallons and the tornado runs great.

Robert8194 Said:

The 4.5 CFM and 90 psi are adequate. I would be a little concerned about the tank size. If you can swing it, I would go for a little larger tank. You can probably make it work but you may have to stop periodically for the pressure to catch up. I know you got to play with the Tornador a little this weekend but believe me, you will find uses for it that you never dreamed of.

Detailers super mall says THIS about the original"

For optimal performance, the Tornador Car Cleaning Tool works best with an air compressor that produces 2 CFM or more at 90 psi, the higher CFM the better.

I think thats a little low because Ive heard 5 cfm for the classic.

The TECHNICAL DATA sheet for the CLASSIC says:

Technical Data
Air inlet
1/4"
Air pressure
114 psi / 6,3bar
Air consumption
237 l/min

237 liter/minute = 8.369 575 892 6 cubic foot/minute

The tornado BLACK is rated to consume LESS air that the classic

SuperiorAutoCare website says:

The Pinnacle Tornador Car Cleaning Gun must be used with an air compressor capable of producing a constant air pressure of at least 60 psi. Do not to exceed 110 psi in order to protect your Tornador from unnecessary wear. For optimal performance, the Pinnacle Tornador Car Cleaning Gun works best with an air compressor that produces 5 CFM or more at 90 psi. Use the green valve to control the amount of liquid released by the Tornador.

Again. Thats for the classic.

I could go on and on.....I think well be fine...
 
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