MisterSnoop
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there's the Griot's ceramic rinseless as well...
Rinseless Washes - 2022
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there's the Griot's ceramic rinseless as well...
Klasse Act
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Also wolfgang uber sio2 rinseless
Coatingsarecrack
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With a gallon of Idrosave not looking at anything with protection right now.
That being said next time I’m out at Griots….
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Slightly relevant....I think the perfect dilution ratio for Ech20 is 1:25-30. I went on a long highway drive and my windows were pretty dirty. Didn't want to do a full wash. I sprayed Ech20 liberally on front windshield to the point it was running. Wiped right off. Flashed fast and was really clean. What I liked about it vs a typical window cleaner was the lubrication. So I think spraying it 1:30 pretty heavy works great.
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Now I understand how people were getting spotting, they were pre-spraying the whole car with a stronger dilution and letting parts of it dry before washing, and the protection elements of Idrosave were bonding the dirt and minerals from the water to the paint. As I said in another post, whether you're doing a conventional wash or rinseless, best practice is not to let the water dry on the car.
EDIT: I'm still not sure I'm understanding the Preludio process, EC seemed to be saying he used it differently than Reggy's suggestion, I'll have to watch ED Details vid to see what he did. Reggy seems to be saying that after you let Preludio dwell, you then proceed with your rinseless wash, but then he said something about changing your towel and doing the (Idrosave) again.
Just watched and it was very interesting. I still haven't had any spotting issues. I also do it inside and go panel by panel. On top of that, I still use some sort of drying aid as I towel dry it all. Sounds like they needed a lot more testers than they used before that container went out.
I think with Preludio they're saying the protection in Idrosave is inhibited as you rinse with Preludio on the surface? Therefore the second rinse helps make sure the protection applies properly?
I don't know, this is all way too much science for me but I admit, I think I'll have both Preludio bottles at my doorstep today pending UPS. I can never resist the chance to play around with new things!
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This is how I interpreted it is to do a quick second rinseless wash with Idrosave to get the full protection. Otherwise, it will be diluted with the Preludio.
Also, for those who don't mind rinsing with a garden hose or a pressure washer, I can't recommend enough spraying the entire car with Primus 2.0 using a garden sprayer, let it dwell for a few minutes, rinse it off and then do a regular rinseless wash. This makes the rinseless wash process a lot safer and faster since the prewash with Primus 2.0 removes at least 85% of the dirt.
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From what I watched in Labocosmetica’s 1st video (the dubbed one). You should spray down 1st with Alkaline Preludio…. Let dwell for a minute or 2 and then do Rinseless with Idrosave. If Acidic Preludio is needed then spray… let dwell and then another rinseless with Idrosave.
What Eddie (EC Details) says he does in 3 ph is spray Alky Preludio….. let dwell…. Rinse with Idrosave in pump sprayer…. Then spray with Acid Preludio…. Let dwell…. Then rinseless with Idrosave.
Problem with that is with Alklaline (Preludio) being rinsed with a PHnuetral (Idrosave) you would still have a Alklaline/neutral liquid on there with mess with the Acids PH.
I would definitely wipe down in between.
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Coatingsarecrack
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Tried Preludio today. Both Alkaline and Acidic. Alklaline sprayed, let dwell for 4 min and wiped down with DiY detail rinseless.
Then sprayed with Acidic. Let dwell 4 min and then removed with DiY. Test subject was Camaro’s Rockers.
They have had some spotting and junk that hasn’t been removed with Reset, Descale, (not used together) Iron remover, Tac system Mystic Bubble and even AutoFoam and Touch-less.
There’s still some stuff left and I didn’t think it would remove all but did a better job. I didn’t have protection so didn’t know if 3ph “unclogged” anything. Will keep in rotation and hope gallons are in the works.
Still gonna need a claying.
Alklaline made quick work of bugs also.
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Then sprayed with Acidic. Let dwell 4 min and then removed with DiY. Test subject was Camaro’s Rockers.
They have had some spotting and junk that hasn’t been removed with Reset, Descale, (not used together) Iron remover, Tac system Mystic Bubble and even AutoFoam and Touch-less.
There’s still some stuff left and I didn’t think it would remove all but did a better job. I didn’t have protection so didn’t know if 3ph “unclogged” anything. Will keep in rotation and hope gallons are in the works.
Still gonna need a claying.
Alklaline made quick work of bugs also.
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Tried Preludio today. Both Alkaline and Acidic. Alklaline sprayed, let dwell for 4 min and wiped down with DiY detail rinseless.
Then sprayed with Acidic. Let dwell 4 min and then removed with DiY. Test subject was Camaro’s Rockers.
They have had some spotting and junk that hasn’t been removed with Reset, Descale, (not used together) Iron remover, Tac system Mystic Bubble and even AutoFoam and Touch-less.
There’s still some stuff left and I didn’t think it would remove all but did a better job. I didn’t have protection so didn’t know if 3ph “unclogged” anything. Will keep in rotation and hope gallons are in the works.
Still gonna need a claying.
Alklaline made quick work of bugs also.
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I was not impressed by BH AF on bugs the other day
What are your dilutions for this pair?
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I went a smidge over 1:10 on alkaline and 1:10 on Acidic. Thinking next time I’m going to try the 1:5
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I finally used the alkaline one today (1:10) and followed up with Nighthawk Rinseless (PH of 6 so slightly acidic) and it cleaned very well. Vehicle sat at airport for about a week and then traveled about 200 miles through rain this past week. It had some bugs stuck on it and the alkaline Preludio made pretty short work of all the bugs.Tried Preludio today. Both Alkaline and Acidic. Alklaline sprayed, let dwell for 4 min and wiped down with DiY detail rinseless.
Then sprayed with Acidic. Let dwell 4 min and then removed with DiY. Test subject was Camaro’s Rockers.
They have had some spotting and junk that hasn’t been removed with Reset, Descale, (not used together) Iron remover, Tac system Mystic Bubble and even AutoFoam and Touch-less.
There’s still some stuff left and I didn’t think it would remove all but did a better job. I didn’t have protection so didn’t know if 3ph “unclogged” anything. Will keep in rotation and hope gallons are in the works.
Still gonna need a claying.
Alklaline made quick work of bugs also.
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I can see myself using this for most rinseless washes in the future. I will admit though that it's entirely possible a presoak with the RW mix itself could've achieved the same results... the vehicle wasn't super dirty.
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How did you like that nighthawk rinseless?
I should have probably not used Preludio for the first time along with it for the first time to be fair. But using both a sponge and multiple towels it worked well. I don't know why but I like to use both mediums depending on the area of the vehicle. It encapsulated well and certainly cleaned (keep in mind the presoak with Preludio though). I always use a drying aid with a RW so I don't need any protection and the dilution ratio is crazy (1:896). It took a lot for me to not drop another cap of solution in.
My only dislike is I wanted it to be more slick. I prefer a slick RW but it certainly seems to perform otherwise. My drying aid was their detail spray. My final touch was some Ethos Speed Wax... this vehicle now gets driven a lot and a lot of outside time so I'm in overkill mode. It's currently got a stacked coating on it somewhere underneath all my overkill.
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I tried DIY Detail Rinseless V2 this weekend for the first time. I don't have experience with V1 but have used many other RW's. Its current predecessors on my shelf are P&S Absolute and Mckees N914.
Overall I have no complaints. Easy to use, cleans well and wipe off is a breeze. Washing was done in a open garage with temps about 80 deg F.
Is there anything that stands out with V2 from the rest?
No, not really. I would say the only thing is its ability to keep the wash media free from dirt staining as it releases it to the bottom of the bucket. But for me, this was never a "problem". Competing RW's that don't do this still clean my vehicles just as well without marring.
I enjoy DIY V2 and will continue using the rest of the 16 oz bottle but if I'm being completely honest, this is just another RW that works well but isn't game changing.
Overall I have no complaints. Easy to use, cleans well and wipe off is a breeze. Washing was done in a open garage with temps about 80 deg F.
Is there anything that stands out with V2 from the rest?
No, not really. I would say the only thing is its ability to keep the wash media free from dirt staining as it releases it to the bottom of the bucket. But for me, this was never a "problem". Competing RW's that don't do this still clean my vehicles just as well without marring.
I enjoy DIY V2 and will continue using the rest of the 16 oz bottle but if I'm being completely honest, this is just another RW that works well but isn't game changing.
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Yeah only real benefit I see with these new and improved rinseless is slickness. But none seem to blow away say, Absolute.
Rapid rinseless cleaning power is a step above but not world changing.
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Rapid rinseless cleaning power is a step above but not world changing.
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I used Feynlab Pure Rinseless v1 over the weekend and while it remains top tier for cleaning power it's definitely nowhere near as slick as the newer 2023/2024 washes. I didn't have the time or patience to do a 3ph wash before using ADS ceramic spray sealant as a topper so Feynlab was the next best thing.
I finally used ADS Hero today and it absolutely lives up to all the hype. Without a doubt the best overall rinseless wash I've ever used. What stood out to me the most was the wipe off. Nothing I've used comes close to how cleanly and easily it wiped off leaving no excess solution behind with one pass of my Autofiber Dreadnought Max. No extra buffing, streaking, or anything left behind.
My car was just a little dusty with minor spots from rain earlier in the week so this was not a great test of it's cleaning power. That said, the solution with my TRG Ultra Black sponge was slightly slicker than my usual Absolute and miles better than Feynlab.
Overall just a really good experience and I don't see myself reaching for anything else for normal rinseless washes anytime soon. Absolute has been good but Hero is just better overall. Both Feynlab Pure Rinseless and Idrosave have more special use cases. Feynlab for decontamination washes and Idrosave for winter washes with it's added protection. Though I'm questioning if I'm going to need to figure out how to remove that protection come Spring when I want to reapply a more long term ceramic sealant. It's a bit of shame to relegate Absolute to my 'no longer using' shelf but that's how it goes sometimes.
My car was just a little dusty with minor spots from rain earlier in the week so this was not a great test of it's cleaning power. That said, the solution with my TRG Ultra Black sponge was slightly slicker than my usual Absolute and miles better than Feynlab.
Overall just a really good experience and I don't see myself reaching for anything else for normal rinseless washes anytime soon. Absolute has been good but Hero is just better overall. Both Feynlab Pure Rinseless and Idrosave have more special use cases. Feynlab for decontamination washes and Idrosave for winter washes with it's added protection. Though I'm questioning if I'm going to need to figure out how to remove that protection come Spring when I want to reapply a more long term ceramic sealant. It's a bit of shame to relegate Absolute to my 'no longer using' shelf but that's how it goes sometimes.